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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Who mentioned hating trannies, you rabid bigot?
Literally genocide.

the Soviets never planned to nuke either
Disagree. The soviets had detailed plans of where to nuke the UK in the event nuclear strikes are considered. They wouldn't want to leave that potential retaliatory option on the table.
 
Biggest Chemical Plant in russia also burned down today.


Wtf is going on over there?
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1517187794527043585
Visegrad 24 tweet for you guys.
The Dmitrievsky Chemical Plant near Moscow is on fire & beyond saving. It’s one of Russia’s largest manufacturers of chemical solvents. The Aerospace Defence Research Institute in Tver burned down earlier in the day. We are starting to notice a pattern.
 
Since these ARE Russian industrial sites, it's hard to tell if they're being incompetent or if it's sabotage.
I'm guessing the place in Tvar was more to do with computation and theory than industry. Then again, there was that janitor who got caught mining crypto on a Russian supercomputer, so this may have been a case of overclocking gone horribly wrong.

As to the industrial site, well, there's a good chance they were ordered to ramp up output for the war special military operation effort and things also went horribly wrong due to Russians being involved.

Really, you absolutely cannot write off "Sheer fucking incompetence" as a cause whenever Russians are involved. Christ, these are the people who blew up an NPP through sheer fucking incompetence after all...
 
Some of these oligarchs don't seem to be coping well at all :( Two familicides in as many days, what are the chances of that?

Two Russian oligarchs were found dead alongside their wives and children one day apart, according to multiple reports.

Vladislav Avayev, the former vice president of Gazprombank, was found dead of a gunshot wound in his Moscow apartment on Monday, Russia's state-run Tass news agency reported.

The Moscow investigations department did not name the victims in its public statement about the case, but Tass said an unnamed source confirmed their identities.

Investigators wrote in their statement that they are prioritizing a theory that Avayev shot his wife and daughter, and then himself.

More than 2,000 miles away, in Spain, another oligarch — Sergei Protosenya — was found hanged, with his wife and daughter stabbed to death, Spanish TV channel Telecinco reported. His body was found Tuesday, Spanish outlet El Punta Vui reported.

He was found with a bloodstained knife and an ax at his side, Telecinco reported.

Protosenya was the former vice president and chief accountant of Novatek, a major gas company with close connections to Gazprombank.

 
Some of these oligarchs don't seem to be coping well at all :( Two familicides in as many days, what are the chances of that?



There are two possibilities here, either Russia glowies killed them, or they actually killed themselves with their families.
The first could be done to scare the remaining oligarchs and elites to stay within the line Kremlin has set, including by not running away abroad. However, I still doubt the effectiveness of doing so
Second is that these men actually murder-suicide their entire families. Considering the times are very close to each other, there's a chance they did it to escape the retribution of something else. Remember that Tank Battalion commander who killed himself?
 
There are two possibilities here, either Russia glowies killed them, or they actually killed themselves with their families.
The first could be done to scare the remaining oligarchs and elites to stay within the line Kremlin has set, including by not running away abroad. However, I still doubt the effectiveness of doing so
Second is that these men actually murder-suicide their entire families. Considering the times are very close to each other, there's a chance they did it to escape the retribution of something else. Remember that Tank Battalion commander who killed himself?
Here's the thing: there's an unofficial code when it comes to these things. You off yourself, and your family stays alive, out of prison, and is given enough to stay off the streets. There's also cleaner, less painful ways to commit group suicide than a knife and an ax. Like seriously, who the fuck decides to stab the fuck out of their wife and daughter because they were caught embezzling as opposed to just whipping up a batch of lethal White Russians? I mean Christ, the Nazis who offed their families at the end of WW2 euthanized their kids instead of engaging in violent murder.

So no, I doubt the second theory very much.
 
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I know it's t*tter, but this is interesting if true.
 
But seriously, this was a long time coming. Putin and his ilk bit off more than they can chew, and the American military-industrial complex is willing to help the Ukrainians make him pay for his mistakes in both money and blood.
They - we - are not doing enough. This should have been in place before the invasion. I can sympathize that they didn't want the Russians getting ahold of it.

Yet, once it was known Russia wouldn't win quickly why has it been months for it to be discussed for Ukraine.

If Western nations - not just the US - were smart their military production complex would of reawaken by March. We should be spending $10bn per nation, handing that shit to Ukraine and let them lay low our main competitor. Why didn't we?
 
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This is a false equivalence. The US and NATO has not moved nuclear weapons in to the newer NATO states. As I am aware there are no nuclear weapons in the Baltics or Poland. There are Nuclear weapons in Turkey, however those aircraft delivered bombs and not ICBMs/SRBMs and have been there since the Cold war era. Also the US did not invade Cuba due to fears of nuclear weapons being stationed there but for other reasons. The Cuban missile crisis happened AFTER the bay of pigs invasion.

But it's not a false equivalence. Are the exact same situation? No. Are they similar? Equivalent? Yes!

Ukraine said they wanted nukes and NATO status, repeatedly. This would lead to war per Russia, as they also stated repeatedly over the last 20 years.

Re Bay of Pigs, thank you for the correction, my memory failed me. However, we WERE gearing for invasion in response to the missiles. Because it was unacceptable to us.

Ukraine joining NATO is unacceptable to Russia (Putin).
 
You would have a point if the US and/or NATO wanted to stick nukes in Ukraine or even if Ukraine had its own long-range offensive strike capabilities, but they don't.

Putin didn't invade Ukraine because he was afraid of Ukraine, he invaded Ukraine because he thought they were weak.

You're almost there! Weak... until joining NATO as they were headed to, of course.

You SAYING the USA wouldn't stick nukes into Ukraine doesn't matter. They would, and they will.

Lots of countries surrounding the USSR are weak. Putin invaded Ukraine for another reason, and we all know why. He said it was going to happen, and it happened, there's no surprise.

Russia sees this as such a threat, in my opinion, this war won't end until Russia or Ukraine are gone. Time will tell, I hope that I am wrong and you are right.
 

History with Hilbert lays it out in five minutes. There was once a time when Youtube vids maxed out at 10 minutes, now ad scabbing bloat is the norm.

Anyhow this is about the Freedom for Russia Legion. Lays out practical things like more rest, better food, better equipment, but also the political reason of wishing Russia to be rid of a manlet who was resulted in a country which leads the world in HIV, shitholes in Africa excepted. No recent stats have been taken, but no evidence of improvement is known (now the vid doesn't cover that, but Putin is a man of many failures). The flag is the anti-war flag which is white with a blue stripe with their name on it. It is a fairly small number, but it is wonderful symbolism.

Pres Zelenskiy says Russia rejects an Easter Truce.



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CITATION FUCKING NEEDED.

For real? How could you not know this?

Zelensky said he wanted nukes the WEEK before Russia invaded. My response was "Oh shit, here we go".


Ukraine wanting to join NATO? I'm surprised you would ask for a citation, you should have at least some memory of this from the past 20 years. Oh well, here's one.


CITATIONS FUCKING PROVIDED
 
They - we - are not doing enough. This should have been in place before the invasion. I can sympathize that they didn't want the Russians getting ahold of it.

Yet, once it was known Russia wouldn't win quickly why has it been months for it to be discussed for Ukraine.

If Western nations - not just the US - were smart their military production complex would of reawaken by March. We should be spending $10bn per nation, handing that shit to Ukraine and let them lay low our main ally. Why didn't we?
Because A) we've got lily-livered coward politicians who backed out on things like that aircraft deal with Poland, and B) some of our electorate are screaming bloody murder that we're sanctioning Russia and handing guns to Ukraine in the first place. This is what happens when you've got cowards fighting idiots in our political sphere.

But at least, some response is better than none.


History with Hilbert lays it out in five minutes. There was once a time when Youtube vids maxed out at 10 minutes, now ad scabbing bloat is the norm.

Anyhow this is about the Freedom for Russia Legion. Lays out practical things like more rest, better food, better equipment, but also the political reason of wishing Russia to be rid of a manlet who was resulted in a country which leads the world in HIV, shitholes in Africa excepted. No recent stats have been taken, but no evidence of improvement is known (now the vid doesn't cover that, but Putin is a man of many failures). The flag is the anti-war flag which is white with a blue stripe with their name on it. It is a fairly small number, but it is wonderful symbolism.
Putin's role in leading Russia to a new age of subservience to China will be long remembered. The sooner Russia is free of him, the better.

Pres Zelenskiy says Russia rejects an Easter Truce.

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Of course. Religion is only important to the modern Russian leaders if they can use it as a propaganda tool. When it comes to actually observing it, (IE not fighting on holy days) religious observance goes out the window.
 
Ukraine wanting to join NATO? I'm surprised you would ask for a citation, you should have at least some memory of this from the past 20 years. Oh well, here's one.
When Yanukovych became president in early 2010, he reiterated his lack of interest in NATO membership, and the issue went dormant. That changed after the 2014 Maidan Revolution, Yanukovych’s flight to Russia, Russia’s use of military force to seize Crimea, and Russian aggression in the eastern region of Donbas. President Petro Poroshenko increasingly stressed the importance of Ukraine joining the alliance.

In February 2019, the Rada overwhelmingly approved an amendment to the constitution that fixed membership in the European Union and NATO as strategic goals for Ukraine. While opinion polls prior to 2014 showed, at best, lukewarm public support for NATO membership, that has shifted with the continuing fighting in Donbas. Polls over the past four years have shown pluralities—in some cases, even a majority—favoring joining the alliance. For example, a January 2019 survey had 46 percent in favor as opposed to 32 percent against.
Oh, whoops... Looks like Ukraine only went pro-NATO in response to Russia directly fucking around with them. You know, kind of like how Finland is looking real interested in NATO membership thanks to Putin's direct threats when before they were lukewarm on the whole concept.
Zelensky said he wanted nukes the WEEK before Russia invaded. My response was "Oh shit, here we go".
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Ukraine has received security guarantees for abandoning the world's third nuclear capability. We don't have that weapon. We also have no security. We also do not have part of the territory of our state that is larger in area than Switzerland, the Netherlands or Belgium. And most importantly - we don’t have millions of our citizens. We don’t have all this.

Therefore, we have something. The right to demand a shift from a policy of appeasement to ensuring security and peace guarantees.

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.
Did you ever bother to read your sources? Yeah, hmm... can't really blame the guy for being skeptical of disarmament when nobody is willing to hold up their side of the bargain. You know, like Russia, the nation they handed their nukes to, and are now currently being invaded by. And more to the point, had been invaded by in 2014.
 
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