US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[pwnest injun]

She's also a cop, you fucking mong. No nigga worth his crack rock is going to love a cop.

The sort of street nig who knows she's not authentic is also not going to vote, is his point. For the part of the black population that votes, she counts.

Also she's useless and will never do anything to help those people, so they're stupider than the crack rock nig.

I don't know about Naming the NSDAP, but my recollection of the time period was that Paul Ryan was basically refusing to push forward any of Trump's agenda.

People really don't think about the magnitude here. Paul Ryan was the Speaker of the House and a former VP candidate. He was also in his 40s, so he had years to coast into office. All of that is done and his ass is rubbed out.

 

[Puff]

The sort of street nig who knows she's not authentic is also not going to vote, is his point. For the part of the black population that votes, she counts.

Also she's useless and will never do anything to help those people, so they're stupider than the crack rock nig.

I mean, that crack isn't taxed. They might be enlightened.

 

[Gehenna]

She's also a cop, you fucking mong. No nigga worth his crack rock is going to love a cop.

The sort of street nig who knows she's not authentic is also not going to vote, is his point. For the part of the black population that votes, she counts.

Also she's useless and will never do anything to help those people, so they're stupider than the crack rock nig.

Anyone who says Kamala is going to get the full black support because 'she's totes seen as black" is simply wrong... but so is anyone who says she'll receive no black support or even massively reduced.

Her support is weird. Its Schrodinger's support. Rural blacks hate here as a general class, urban blacks like her as a general class.

Except when they don't

Urban blacks complain about her cop connections and give her low ratings on a suite of issues. Rural blacks note they like her for being percieved as more tough on crime. And in all this the whole "First Female Vice President" angle is not to be wholy ignored.

The conclusion is... weird. Effectively she on paper has both barely any and quite a lot of support from every major delineation of the Black demographic, I used one example here, but just pick one and you'll get the same result. You can therefore argue basically any position on the topic and be both able to defend it and its defense be untenable. Until actual votes come down for her... I am not sure its even possible to get an actually accurate view on this based off of data over intuition.

 

[Disc]

Anyone who says Kamala is going to get the full black support because 'she's totes seen as black" is simply wrong... but so is anyone who says she'll receive no black support or even massively reduced.

Her support is weird. Its Schrodinger's support. Rural blacks hate here as a general class, urban blacks like her as a general class.

Except when they don't

Urban blacks complain about her cop connections and give her low ratings on a suite of issues. Rural blacks note they like her for being percieved as more tough on crime. And in all this the whole "First Female Vice President" angle is not to be wholy ignored.

The conclusion is... weird. Effectively she on paper has both barely any and quite a lot of support from every major delineation of the Black demographic, I used one example here, but just pick one and you'll get the same result. You can therefore argue basically any position on the topic and be both able to defend it and its defense be untenable. Until actual votes come down for her... I am not sure its even possible to get an actually accurate view on this based off of data over intuition.

So basically any of these groups with a strong opinion on her has several caveats attached?

 

[Gehenna]

So basically any of these groups with a strong opinion on her has several caveats attached?

Several massive caveats that mean depending on what gets the focus her support swings by very large double digit numbers. My intuition says that her effective support will be low. It won't result in some mythical mass exodus of blacks to the Republicans but would result in a lot of blacks simply sitting out an election with her on the front of the ticket.

I'd thus propose most of the black support in the 2020 election was holdover support for Obama through Biden, and not any sort of Pro-Kamala sentiment.

But I'll be the first to say that is intuition over data, as the data is just too scrambled to be usable. And the only way to get the data would be to go absolutely minute and poll place by place by place to piece together the picture. The larger look is just too muddy to be usable, and the only way to get a clearer look would be absurdly expensive so won't ever be done.

 

[MrJokerRager]

The best thing Drumph did was show the world how ineffective the Presidency actually is. His own employees can openly defy him at every turn and he pretty much has no recourse. If all the GOP governors said "fuck you, I'll do what I want" to Biden, there's nothing he can do. The new tranny marines are already stretched too thin dilating and battling social media bigots.

It was because of Posse Commitatus funny enough, passed by the Democrats and probably has fucked over the Democrats more than the GOP overall in the long run, since the Democrats have been more power hungry since 9/11 compared to the GOP overall even though both parties have done their part in trying to set the constitution on fire.

 

[GuntPunt]

Anyone who says Kamala is going to get the full black support because 'she's totes seen as black" is simply wrong... but so is anyone who says she'll receive no black support or even massively reduced.

Her support is weird. Its Schrodinger's support. Rural blacks hate here as a general class, urban blacks like her as a general class.

Except when they don't

Urban blacks complain about her cop connections and give her low ratings on a suite of issues. Rural blacks note they like her for being percieved as more tough on crime. And in all this the whole "First Female Vice President" angle is not to be wholy ignored.

The conclusion is... weird. Effectively she on paper has both barely any and quite a lot of support from every major delineation of the Black demographic, I used one example here, but just pick one and you'll get the same result. You can therefore argue basically any position on the topic and be both able to defend it and its defense be untenable. Until actual votes come down for her... I am not sure its even possible to get an actually accurate view on this based off of data over intuition.

I think all of this translate to extremely low black turnout for Kamala. Which is a death nail in any Democrats coffin post-Obama.

 

[Kane Lives]

I think all of this translate to extremely low black turnout for Kamala. Which is a death nail in any Democrats coffin post-Obama.

Agreed. It sounds like most blacks simply wouldn't turn out for YAS KWEEN SLAY Kamala, but those who do will vote for her overwhelmingly.

 

[Titos]

why don't liberals do something other than scream like retards and rape kids

Because they'll blow themselves up trying to make bombs just like Weather Underground did.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Because they'll blow themselves up trying to make bombs just like Weather Underground did.

God do I fucking hope so.

 

[Titos]

they're not really communists, however, since there is still some permitted free enterprise and no real central planning outside of centralized control of corporations by the state. there's also no utopian end goal for them, unless you consider Chinese domination of the globe sufficiently a utopia in and of itself

Is there such a thing as a real communist? Not even communists seem to know what communism is since apparently every time it's been tried it was actually "state capitalism".

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

Is there such a thing as a real communist?

Just label everything you don't like as communist like the other side does with fascist. Labels don't matter anymore. Whatever you want to call it, if we protect the interests of the state, church, and people, we win. Every world leader seems fully onboard with monitoring us 24/7 in some kind of panopticon society. Whatever comes after that is surely more free.

 

[northstar747]

they're not really communists, however, since there is still some permitted free enterprise and no real central planning outside of centralized control of corporations by the state. there's also no utopian end goal for them, unless you consider Chinese domination of the globe sufficiently a utopia in and of itself

lol. The chinese mind set is focused inward before they interact with something they first have to decided if its "chinese or not" The reason why they try to claim control over chinese people over seas regardless of nationality is because those people can bypass that filter.

Also being a one party state that has a face culture means that issues and problems must be ignored or handled in insane matters.

The central goverment started to do audits of the states grain reserves, all of a sudden there are fires at state ran silos.

This is to cover up corruption. one chinese dude posted on their internet something like "please stop the audits or we will have nothing left"

 

[b0x]

Is there such a thing as a real communist? Not even communists seem to know what communism is since apparently every time it's been tried it was actually "state capitalism".

Communism won't work because Humanity isn't wired that way. It's the failure point. But I've tried bringing up this point with Communists, but they believe everyone thinks as they do. They seem to be so naive that they believe someone could never pretend to support Communism and then usurp power for themselves. So to me, they're retards.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Of course the corps and bankers giving help to communists are retards, the commies aren't going to spare them, they'll get liquidated like everyone else in the middle to upper class.

Given how many times this has occurred over the last hundred or so years, you’d think the means-having classes would get it.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

Reminder that Dunkle Maus is a retard and we went over this months ago.

 

[The Ugly One]

Again, Ryan held his nose long enough to pass a tax cut, right?

Convincing Republicans to cut taxes is like convincing dogs to eat bacon. Ryan had a tax cut plan worked up before Trump even announced he was running for office.

The reason they were blocking him is he spent so much time trying to bring down Obongocare, which would be political suicide for them per their constituency.

The three-stage Obamacare repeal was Paul Ryan's idea, crafted by his staffers, and something Republicans had been hooting about since 2010, not this big Trump idea that Congress got totally blindsided by and distracted them from their priority agenda of whatever you are imagining it was. Trump did what Obama did 6 years earlier. He told Congress he'd sign whatever they passed. Ryan got his master plan through the House, and when it got to the Senate, John McCain shut it down at the last minute for asspats from his friends at WaPo. So it sounds like you don't even know what happened in Trump's first two years in office, let alone how to do things differently.

It's easy to get a law you want passed... congress does this shit every year, after all, even as lazy as they are they manage to pass law every fucking year. However, you actually have to have one that won't be political suicide to pass (like replacing Obongocare with Trump care)... and you can't just tweet, watch TV, and bullshit on the phone... well, you can, but you have to have a cabinet that will do the work for you, at least. And it helps if you don't talk shit about your own team... even if they are taking pot shots at you. That's one thing Trump couldn't understand, he made McCain into a mortal enemy with his big fucking mouth. How do you get them to collaborate with you? Many ways... Obongo did it, Bush did it, Clinton did it, Trump couldn't. He couldn't do it personally (bully pulpit, selling your bill directly to the people), and he couldn't appoint a cabinet worth a shit; look at the incompetent goons he surrounded himself with. It's all on him, EVERY President has enemies the second they are elected. Trump made more enemies every day, and he paid for it, and his presidency will always be a joke for it. Kinda funny.

You're not actually answering the question. You just keep saying "the cabinet" like an incantation. Just "have a good cabinet," and magically, Congress will just do you what you want, because your "cabinet" is just so good at whatever those cabinety things are that apparently result in contrarian Senators voting your way. The problem is the cabinet doesn't do anything in the legislature at all; they run executive branch agencies. So you really do need to explain to me what you are talking about.

"Well, Obama found a way to work with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to pass major legislation" is also an odd answer. I don't recall Pelosi & Reid trying to generate a pretext to have Obama impeached. I seem to remember 2009-2010 to be a period when Congress and the White House were on the same team, not a period where Congress appointed a special investigator to try and frame the President as a foreign agent. So, once again, a dodge.

I think the real answer is that you have absolutely no idea whatsoever how the government works, what happened from 2017-2018, or what Trump actually could have done. You listen to way too many right-wing podcasts by guys who also don't know, and you have at best a vague sense that if Trump had just waved the Magic President Wand a little harder, Mueller would have left him alone, and Paul Ryan would have worked with Mitch McConnell to repeal the Immigration & Nationality Act, and maybe replace the bald eagle on the seal with Pepe.

I think all of this translate to extremely low black turnout for Kamala. Which is a death nail in any Democrats coffin post-Obama.

New election fortification measures ensure the black vote turns out, regardless of whether or not actual black people fill out ballots.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Just one point on “tax cuts”; there is no such thing. There is merely tax-reshuffling.

 

[Pig Cups]

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Heels-Up Harris lol. Imagine what an absolute mad lad Ben would be if he drew a very subtle outline of a cameltoe peeking through those pants.

 

[Puff]

I think all of this translate to extremely low black turnout for Kamala. Which is a death nail in any Democrats coffin post-Obama.

You're mixing idioms together and it bothers me. Death knell, as in a church bell that rings for your funeral and nail in the coffin.