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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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The Head of Russia's Central Military District just said that they officially want to make a land bridge to Transnistria.
>we DON'T need to capture Kyiv
Why the fuck do they even want that dump? The only thing of note there is a ammo warehouse filled with expired ordinance. Would be interesting if that place blew up under mysterious circumstances.
 
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Fuck me its going to be fun watching them try and go through Mykolav, let alone fucking Odessa.

They've had years to reinforce and dig in there and have only been hurling stuff there since. Its also been an area a lot of the Foreign Legion has been actually deployed and used on various positions and locations.

Note the complete fucking lack of progress during the initial invasion and even being shoved back to the outskirts of Kherson.
Russia needs to achieve a breakthrough, and it needs to defeat the JFO and other Ukrainian forces in a decisive battle if it is going to win.

I do not think Ukraine is currently capable of doing that to Russia either, so what it will therefore come down to is attrition.

Attrition of political will, of soldiers and of arms and armaments. Ukraine has the political will to continue fighting, it has soldiers who are willing to fight and it is being sent increasing amounts of arms and armaments from the West.

The Russian elite seems under pressure, they are struggling to replace losses of men and arms.

As long as the Ukrainians are willing to keep the fight going, and the West is willing to offer them support to do so, I think that even if Russia does achieve some of its "original objectives" they will not be able to hold them in the long run.
 
The Head of Russia's Central Military District just said that they officially want to make a land bridge to Transnistria.
>we DON'T need to capture Kyiv
A land bridge there would make Romania the rest of Central Europe very nervous.
It also bring Russia border closer to more NATO countries, which lengthen Russian border even more!
 
Why the fuck do they even want that dump? The only thing of note there is a ammo warehouse filled with expired ordinance. Would be interesting if that place blew up under mysterious circumstances.
The end of the land-bridge is less important than the land it crosses, which just happens to be Ukraine's entire coastline and all of its major ports. What they're actually saying is that they want to landlock Ukraine, which would deny it the majority of its trade and make it reliant on Russia for access to the sea, just like Belarus. With a very few exceptions (eg Switzerland), landlocked countries tend to end up as either economic and cultural backwaters, or client states of the strongest country on their border.
 
Fuck me its going to be fun watching them try and go through Mykolav, let alone fucking Odessa.

They've had years to reinforce and dig in there and have only been hurling stuff there since. Its also been an area a lot of the Foreign Legion has been actually deployed and used on various positions and locations.

Note the complete fucking lack of progress during the initial invasion and even being shoved back to the outskirts of Kherson.
And with Moskwa sinking, the Russian won't have any support from sea or amphibious landing, so it's all land battles from ere
 
These losses are more in line with World War 2 losses, but even by those standards this is intensive in terms of losses. I'm just checking things, and the Western desert campaign saw approximately 35,000 Allied soldiers killed over the course of 2 and a half years.
For comparison, from D-Day to the end of August (about three months), it was 20,688 confirmed KiA on the ground on the American side.
And with Moskwa sinking, the Russian won't have any support from sea or amphibious landing, so it's all land battles from ere
Well, at least the VDV are around to help bypass hardpoints. Oh wait, no they're not.
 
Remember when I first posted about voices in Finland joining NATO ... what about the first time Jap foreign minister say that Kuril Islands are Jap land ...

it's official now, Japan formally recognizes Kuril Islands as illegaly ocupied by Russia:



TOKYO (AP) — Japan describes four islands whose ownership it disputes with Moscow as “illegally occupied by Russia” in the latest version of a diplomatic report released Friday, using stronger language to describe the territorial flap than other recent versions and underscoring the chilled relations between the two sides amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The description in the 2022 Diplomatic Bluebook, an annual report on Japan's foreign policy issued by the Foreign Ministry, uses that phrasing for the first time in nearly two decades. Japan, which is struggling to improve ties with Moscow to regain control of the Kurils, which Tokyo calls the Northern Territories, had previously described the dispute in a softer tone.

“The Northern Territories are a group of islands Japan has sovereignty over and an integral part of Japan’s territory, but currently they are illegally occupied by Russia,” the ministry said in the report.

The dispute over the Russian-held islands, which the former Soviet Union seized from Japan at the end of World War II, has prevented the two countries from signing a peace treaty formally ending their war hostilities.


The report last used a similar expression in 2003 but had toned down its phrasing until last year, when it described the dispute as “the greatest concern between Japan and Russia” and noted that “Japan has sovereignty” over the islands.

In another territorial dispute, the ministry said the island that Japan calls Takeshima is “illegally occupied” by Seoul, which calls it Dokdo.

South Korea’s Foreign Ministry protested Japan’s “repeated inclusion of unjust sovereignty claims over Dokdo,” calling the island an integral part of South Korean territory. It said Tokyo’s repeated claims are in “no way conducive to efforts to establish a future-oriented relationship between the two sides. Japan-South Korea ties have been also badly strained by historical issues.

Japan has joined other Group of Seven countries in imposing a series of sanctions against Russia. Tokyo is taking a greater role in the international effort against Russia because of its concerns about the impact of the invasion in East Asia, where China’s military has grown increasingly assertive.

Japan has already faced reprisals from Russia, which recently announced the suspension of talks on a peace treaty with Tokyo that included negotiations over the disputed islands.

Japan also seeks to bolster its defense capability and budget as part of a key revision to Japan’s national security strategy expected later this year.




Some of the Russian cruise missiles taken apart and analysed for components used. Some of this tech was developed in 60s, circuit boards are from late 70s, manufactured by long expired factory in Belarus. Russia is both scraping the bottom of the barrel and shows complete lack of actually moving military tech in the last 20 years, after 10 years of settling of Soviet collapse.

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speaking of flashback, some of the DNR units are getting armed with early WWII era submachine guns (PPSh was later replaced with better and cheaper PPS)

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I'm kind of shocked ... somewhat. So basically the whole stockpile of AKs were looted and sold out. Russian made PPSh always were primium in the kit market and never made it to US in masse, we only got Polish and Hungarian ones. Now we know why, they kept those things all this time. Wow.
 
Russia needs to achieve a breakthrough, and it needs to defeat the JFO and other Ukrainian forces in a decisive battle if it is going to win.

I do not think Ukraine is currently capable of doing that to Russia either, so what it will therefore come down to is attrition.

Attrition of political will, of soldiers and of arms and armaments. Ukraine has the political will to continue fighting, it has soldiers who are willing to fight and it is being sent increasing amounts of arms and armaments from the West.

The Russian elite seems under pressure, they are struggling to replace losses of men and arms.

As long as the Ukrainians are willing to keep the fight going, and the West is willing to offer them support to do so, I think that even if Russia does achieve some of its "original objectives" they will not be able to hold them in the long run.

If one side can replace its armour losses (as those sneaky Ukranian thieves showed recently in Poland) then the tables could turn. Another would be increasingly denying the air to the Russian Air Force, and to begin counter battery operations which are going to begin happening in the next few days and weeks as the UK and US increasingly ship out the older 155 and 105mm artillery systems for the Ukranians to use. On top of that, the Ukranian army is going to hit 300,000+ troops before too long, meaning they likely have more soldiers than the Russians, and also unlike the Russians they have the kit shipping in to arm all of them effectively.

The Ukranians do have the means increasingly given to them, and why the Russians can't quite beleive whats been happening, certainly among the elites where the war has gone really nowhere as it should've.

The end of the land-bridge is less important than the land it crosses, which just happens to be Ukraine's entire coastline and all of its major ports. What they're actually saying is that they want to landlock Ukraine, which would deny it the majority of its trade and make it reliant on Russia for access to the sea, just like Belarus. With a very few exceptions (eg Switzerland), landlocked countries tend to end up as either economic and cultural backwaters, or client states of the strongest country on their border.

Or it'd permenantly pinwheel Ukraine into a customs agreement with the EU, who will quite happily get rid of a lot of that annoying paperwork to get Ukranian wheat and sunflower seeds as well as any other factories they can rebuild or move out there in cheaply. Russia grabbing a landbridge like this means very little in the greater scheme when you have an even larger "Empire" next door already increasingly moving heaven and earth for you.

Ukraine's ports would move from Odessa and Svestapol to Gdansk.

Remember when I first posted about voices in Finland joining NATO ... what about the first time Jap foreign minister say that Kuril Islands are Jap land ...

it's official now, Japan formally recognizes Kuril Islands as illegaly ocupied by Russia:








Some of the Russian cruise missiles taken apart and analysed for components used. Some of this tech was developed in 60s, circuit boards are from late 70s, manufactured by long expired factory in Belarus. Russia is both scraping the bottom of the barrel and shows complete lack of actually moving military tech in the last 20 years, after 10 years of settling of Soviet collapse.

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speaking of flashback, some of the DNR units are getting armed with early WWII era submachine guns (PPSh was later replaced with better and cheaper PPS)

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I'm kind of shocked ... somewhat. So basically the whole stockpile of AKs were looted and sold out. Russian made PPSh always were primium in the kit market and never made it to US in masse, we only got Polish and Hungarian ones. Now we know why, they kept those things all this time. Wow.

Think you'll find a lot of the west's own kit is fairly similar, with similarly "antique" electronics inside them. Difference is ours are a bit more accurate than "to maybe a city block".

The PPSH's are hilarious though.
 
Some of the Russian cruise missiles taken apart and analysed for components used. Some of this tech was developed in 60s, circuit boards are from late 70s, manufactured by long expired factory in Belarus. Russia is both scraping the bottom of the barrel and shows complete lack of actually moving military tech in the last 20 years, after 10 years of settling of Soviet collapse.
Na, nothing uniquely Russian there. When my step-bro was doing O&A work in the Army in the 2000's there were a lot of TOW systems that still had their hand-soldered boards from the 70's in them. If they ain't broke, don't fix them is how militaries work (and for good reason). It would not surprise me if we still have of those 40-year-old-plus boards deployed. The USA finally got around to adding a quick change barrel and fixed timing and headspacing to the M2 in 2011, too.
 
Fuck me its going to be fun watching them try and go through Mykolav, let alone fucking Odessa.

They've had years to reinforce and dig in there and have only been hurling stuff there since. Its also been an area a lot of the Foreign Legion has been actually deployed and used on various positions and locations.

Note the complete fucking lack of progress during the initial invasion and even being shoved back to the outskirts of Kherson.

Why go through Odessa ? just siege it and mine the ukraine seas, Russia is no longer playing nice so Leningrading Odessa should be no problem if they can make it that far.
 
Royal We is a Habit ? @Queen Elizabeth II Your Majesty ?
Yes. It's an acquired habit from people I grew up around and I'm also half-Russian by blood. Sometimes I still catch myself saying "we" when I'm talking about the country. Though I am a Ukrainian and Ukraine is getting M777s, I am not Ukraine, only a small part of it and an individual human being.
So I appreciate you pointing that out, it's something I fight against in other people too.
 
Yes. It's an acquired habit from people I grew up around and I'm also half-Russian by blood. Sometimes I still catch myself saying "we" when I'm talking about the country. Though I am a Ukrainian and Ukraine is getting M777s, I am not Ukraine, only a small part of it and an individual human being.
So I appreciate you pointing that out, it's something I fight against in other people too.
Will you have to divide yourself in five to operate a M777 then?
 
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