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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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What's your excuse for Russia failing to take Kyiv?
Those gibs of elite soliders being scapped off the steets of Ukraine with snow shovels into garbage bags are just the distraction of this war bro. Same thing with 1/10th of the KA-52 fleet turned into aluminum fragments and the modern Russian avionics and throphy equipment shipped out to Langley. Anyone asking questions or having doubt is just coping.
 
Was thinking the same thing. These stupid Russians act as if we're still in the 1980s before the advent of UAVs and satellites imagery. Not only is their technology is 30 years out of date, their tactics and operations planning is 50 years out of date.
This is what happens when the entire army is led by boomers who don't want to even bother learning about all the new technologies because it's beyond their time. Anyone who would have dared to protest against their outdated tactics would probably end up in the gulag, meaning that even the people within the military who have the brains to know that this is wrong either can't speak, or won't. That is, if they could even muster the courage to stand up and speak up to a commanding officer after taking it up the ass a couple dozen times.
 
Na, nothing uniquely Russian there. When my step-bro was doing O&A work in the Army in the 2000's there were a lot of TOW systems that still had their hand-soldered boards from the 70's in them. If they ain't broke, don't fix them is how militaries work (and for good reason). It would not surprise me if we still have of those 40-year-old-plus boards deployed. The USA finally got around to adding a quick change barrel and fixed timing and headspacing to the M2 in 2011, too.
The main computer in an F15C is an 8086 with 256k of RAM. The super-duper advanced F22 IIRC is driven by a 180mhz PPC-based system. The former was designed in the early 1970s, put into production in the mid 1970s, the latter designed in the 80s, produced in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Still, cruise missiles from the 60s. Mmph.
 
I don't think so. Nazis who don't hate Jews is like.......having Christians who don't worship Christ. Or Muslims who don't practice Islam. Jew-hate is a central tenet of Nazi ideology, almost as much as their hatred of Slavs and other "untermenschen". The Nazis conflated Russian Communists with Jewish Bolsheviks, primarily because many Russian Jews who felt mistreated under the Tsarist regime wound up fighting for the Bolshevik side. Whereas the Azov Battalion's hatred of Russia stems mostly from the fact that the Russians have stolen their land and are trying to wipe out their people. They're not calling Putin a Jewish puppet or a Slav untermensch, mostly because Ukrainians are also Slavic.

As for these Ukrainians taking inspriation from their forefathers joining the Nazis in WW2, well, the Finns did as well, and for the same reason: Soviet Russia was a pain in their ass. That doesn't make either group into actual Nazis.
I'm not saying they are classical "gas the Jews" 1938 Nazi's. I'm saying they are edgelords who use Nazi iconography because it is the one thing that the Russian's hate more than anything. And they really really hate the Russian's.
 
I'm not saying they are classical "gas the Jews" 1938 Nazi's. I'm saying they are edgelords who use Nazi iconography because it is the one thing that the Russian's hate more than anything. And they really really hate the Russian's.
Losing parts of your country to the Russians does that.

Also, many Poles, Lithuanians, and other Eastern Europeans hate the Russians AND the Nazis.
 
This is what happens when the entire army is led by boomers who don't want to even bother learning about all the new technologies because it's beyond their time. Anyone who would have dared to protest against their outdated tactics would probably end up in the gulag, meaning that even the people within the military who have the brains to know that this is wrong either can't speak, or won't. That is, if they could even muster the courage to stand up and speak up to a commanding officer after taking it up the ass a couple dozen times.
It's funny because I always thought this was an American military exclusive problem. Boomers hated the M9 over the M911A1 they used back in their day and hated the idea of using Comp M2s and ACOGs over iron sights. A lot of boomers hated the idea of using gear with MOLLE loops instead of the older ALICE webbing despite the former being more modular and less clumsy. In one deployment a bunch of us brought PMAGs and we got shit for it, now they're becoming the standard issue magazine. I recall thinking refusing to adapt to newer technologies was going to damn military readiness. Turns out we were ahead of the curb compared to the Russians. The Russians never fail to surprise me in their stupidity.
 
It's funny because I always thought this was an American military exclusive problem. Boomers hated the M9 over the M911A1 they used back in their day and hated the idea of using Comp M2s and ACOGs over iron sights. A lot of boomers hated the idea of using gear with MOLLE loops instead of the older ALICE webbing despite the former being more modular and less clumsy. In one deployment a bunch of us brought PMAGs and we got shit for it, now they're becoming the standard issue magazine. I recall thinking refusing to adapt to newer technologies was going to damn military readiness. Turns out we were ahead of the curb compared to the Russians. The Russians never fail to surprise me in their stupidity.
The thing about American military issues is that while we most certainly have them, we're at least transparent about them in comparison to Russia and China who just puff out their chests and cope about their latest wunderwaffen to hide them. I always got a kick out of people saying how bloated the American MIC is (which it is) but then talking about how efficient and clever Russia's was. Like holy shit the Soviet Union literally collapsed because of what a bloated mess the Soviet MIC had become by the 1980s and clearly the Russian one isn't any better.
 
It's funny because I always thought this was an American military exclusive problem. Boomers hated the M9 over the M911A1 they used back in their day and hated the idea of using Comp M2s and ACOGs over iron sights. A lot of boomers hated the idea of using gear with MOLLE loops instead of the older ALICE webbing despite the former being more modular and less clumsy. In one deployment a bunch of us brought PMAGs and we got shit for it, now they're becoming the standard issue magazine. I recall thinking refusing to adapt to newer technologies was going to damn military readiness. Turns out we were ahead of the curb compared to the Russians. The Russians never fail to surprise me in their stupidity.
Again, Russia has every problem America has, just in a more insidious and exaggerated way.

The thing about American military issues is that while we most certainly have them, we're at least transparent about them in comparison to Russia and China who just puff out their chests and cope about their latest wunderwaffen to hide them. I always got a kick out of people saying how bloated the American MIC is (which it is) but then talking about how efficient and clever Russia's was. Like holy shit the Soviet Union literally collapsed because of what a bloated mess the Soviet MIC had become by the 1980s and clearly the Russian one isn't any better.
Part of what keeps America more honest than either Russia or China is that you're allowed to bitch and complain about problems, which then gives the people in charge something to fix. If your propaganda says that everything's fine, eventually, even the people making the propaganda start to believe it, so when things really aren't fine, the people who know would either shut up about it or even profit from it because exposing the problem breaks the state narrative, which would end with the whistleblowers getting fired or worse. So they keep quiet and sometimes even try to profit from the state's stupidity. Which of course, means it all comes crashing down when the state really does need to operate at peak capacity, and they don't have what they need to do so.
 
I'm not saying they are classical "gas the Jews" 1938 Nazi's. I'm saying they are edgelords who use Nazi iconography because it is the one thing that the Russian's hate more than anything. And they really really hate the Russian's.
Something that shows up in the iconography of Soviet prison tattoos is the swastika not (necessarily) as a means of proclaiming racial or political allegiance but as a way of declaring their contempt for the Russian authorities.
 
Same thing with 1/10th of the KA-52 fleet turned into aluminum fragments and the modern Russian avionics and throphy equipment shipped out to Langley. Anyone asking questions or having doubt is just coping.
Its a shame because I really dig the design of the Ka-52 Alligator.
Especially when they get wasted in pointless ventures...
The thing about American military issues is that while we most certainly have them, we're at least transparent about them in comparison to Russia and China who just puff out their chests and cope about their latest wunderwaffen to hide them. I always got a kick out of people saying how bloated the American MIC is (which it is) but then talking about how efficient and clever Russia's was. Like holy shit the Soviet Union literally collapsed because of what a bloated mess the Soviet MIC had become by the 1980s and clearly the Russian one isn't any better.
Yeah the difference is between the bloated American MIC and the bloated Russian MIC, is that when the F-35 has issues it just means Congress needs to shell out more cash for the USAF/USN/USMC to pay LockMart to fix their stealth fighter.
When the Su-57 has issues, it officially doesn't because if it does then it means less export sales and thus more cost for Russia to actually get the thing into service, therefore there "are no issues" until it hits the export market and one of their projected customers complains.
 
Regarding export sales, anyone got a bug in MiG's corporate office? Cause with Ukraine doing wonders with old MiG-29s against the more modern SU-27 family and MiG cannot capitalize on it have got to be something to behold.
To be fair to Sukhoi, Ukraine also has older Su-27s they are using against newer Su-30 multirole fighters, Su-34 strike fighters/interdictors and Su-35 air-superiority fighters.
I think Russia has also been using either "MiG-35" (which is basically just a MiG-29 upgrade akin to the Su-35) or MiG-29M.

Su-27 and MiG-29 were both originally flown in 1977 IIRC, and Ukraine is basically holding their own with the older shit against the newer upgraded shit.
It'd be like a nation with original F-16A's holding out against another with the newer F-16E/F+ Block 50 - Block 70+ variants.
 
Either Russian cruise missiles are cheap or Ukrainian grain is worth more, because they're hitting grain silos.
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The main computer in an F15C is an 8086 with 256k of RAM. The super-duper advanced F22 IIRC is driven by a 180mhz PPC-based system. The former was designed in the early 1970s, put into production in the mid 1970s, the latter designed in the 80s, produced in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Still, cruise missiles from the 60s. Mmph.
I'm admittedly not an expert but I've heard that apparently of a lot of military and glowie related tech uses heavily outdated computers because it's way harder to hack than modern stuff.
 
I'm admittedly not an expert but I've heard that apparently of a lot of military and glowie related tech uses heavily outdated computers because it's way harder to hack than modern stuff.

Well, back in '73 when the F15 production hit the prototype phase (remember, the F14 was in limited production already), hacking wasn't a concern. In military production they freeze things when they get what they want, instead of pursuing Next Year's Model in terms of electronics. That's more code to be rewritten, etc.
 
Interesting video of OSINT that attempts to count Russia tanks in long term storage through satalite imagery.


He reckons around 3000 tanks might be in a position to be brought back into working order. Though who knows how many have already been cannibalised for parts.

Russia perhaps doesn't have the number of armoured vehicles we thought they did. Normal numbers put out are 10k plus.

The Russian tank numbers have definitely dropped significantly since the mid 2010s. Most of the T-80s and T-90s were parked up and chucked into storage as the Russians chose to focus on the larger (and thus more able to be cannibalised) T-72 fleet. This also saw the Aratas production cut back several times before being cancelled totally. T-72 types in active service were estimated at around 2,000 with a further 8,000 in storage.

Trying to get more accurate numbers on things like the T-80 and T-90 is actually more difficult as claimed numbers are all over the place and we've not really seen that many in the Russo-Ukranian War, with most being in the 4th Guards Division, which suggests their claimed "on paper" 3,000+ T-80s and 5,800+ T-90s is likely a bit of beaucratic chicancery.

The fact the Russians focused a lot on their T-72 fleet, and used it heavily in this invasion rather suggests they've either handed most of those tanks over to their own Internal Troops, if not stuffed and mounted them somewhere. Otherwise, why not use your better and heavier tanks that have been seen to withstand a few smacks from Javelins in Syria?

Well, in the case of the T-90 there's some flaws, according to a mate of mine in the British Army. The directional microphones and automated threat system on the T-90 results in the gun auto-turning and firing on a target. Its speculated its difficult to cancel, or turns too quickly as Blue-on-Blue incidents were noticed in Syria, where T-90s heard their fellow company tank firing nearby, assumed it was a threat, turned and fired.

So probably not the best to deploy en masse in Ukraine, then.

Considering that China's economy is several times the size of Russia's, it would be feasible for China to develop large swathes of wilderness in Russia, make something out of it other than just a giant gas station.

They already have been, can't find the article but a while back I read about how the Chinese were basically settling in chunks of Siberia and conducting unauthorized logging operations on a massive scale to feed the beast back home.


The French have already sent off 100 million euros worth of stuff, they won't say what they've sent but have hinted it's “means of protection, optronic equipment, arms and ammunition, and weapons systems that meet the needs expressed by Ukraine.”


Its a shame because I really dig the design of the Ka-52 Alligator.
Especially when they get wasted in pointless ventures...

It folds like tissue paper against Stingers, ATGMs and Starstreaks. So obviously not as good a design as first thought.

Either Russian cruise missiles are cheap or Ukrainian grain is worth more, because they're hitting grain silos.
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With Ukraine being a key exporter of wheat and cooking oil ingredients it makes sense to begin targetting stuff they could use to raise further funds or Feed the West. It more than likely is the thought process in the Russians heads now that we're "stealing their traditional breadbasket" as Ukraine was always used as its main agricultural zone.

Ukrainians capture a Russian military working dog. Thankfully he was captured before some Russian soldier cooked or raped it. I wonder if Oryx will add it to the list.

Look at how said vicious military dog nuzzles up to its new owner. Very odd.
 
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