Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Ponzo]

The Azov regiment has published a new video from the basements of Azovstal, where the peaceful population of Mariupol is hiding.
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The Azovs are about to get the moscow theater experience when the Russians capture the above ground in Azovstal.

 

[Sammich]

The Azovs are about to get the moscow theater experience when the Russians capture the above ground in Azovstal.

One can hope, wonder if anything stronger than carfentanil is out there, be fun to see!

 

[AGPinochet]

Who the fuck is Denis Prokopenko, Svyatoslav Palamar, Volodymyr Baranyuk, Serhiy Volyna and Maksym Kagal? Five badass military leaders. That's who.

This is the most potent Copium I have seen during this entire war.

Mariupol was a massive waste of resources for Russia

TIL Capturing Enemy cities is a waste of resources.

This is like Waco x1,000,000 right here and these dudes are still inflicting heavy losses on Russia through ambushes, destroying equipment, and so on and up to 50 Russians are neutralized or wounded every day.

Yeah, the couple hundred dudes (a good portion of which are combat ineffective due to injuries) whose most potent remaining weapons are at most ATGMs and have been reduced to occupying the equivalent of a few city blocks are totally killing and wounding fifty enemies every day on top of destroying vehicles. Also Azov who has been putting out combat footage throughout the battle, has to my knowledge not put out anything since being confined to Azovstal.

the Ukrainian troops were resupplied (which I guess includes more weapons, first aid and food/water)

According to the Ukrops and Ukrops only.

On April 19th, president Zelensky stated that the country was able to soon see a huge turn of events due to the stalling of Russian forces as they direct all their resources at Mariupol in a desperate bid to take the city with what's left of it being the only missing piece of the puzzle left

Leaving a containment force to wait for the enemy to starve to death/die of infection while you redeploy the bulk of the forces in the city to to the Donbass front means you have stalled apparently.

, and within the next 2-3 weeks, they will start a new counteroffensive.

2 More weeks, 2 more weeks and Steiner's Counteroffensive will drive the Muscovite Orcs back across the border and all the way to Moscow.

(some of which being previously classified stuff they intended just for a scenario like this) and from there they will be able to break the encirclement.

Oh shit secret American Laser rifles, plasma accelerators, mech suits and hover tanks are going to rescue the Banderist Shaitans from the depths of Azovstal. its over for Russiachuds.

 

[Screamer]

How is arming the Ukrainians 'escalating the war.' The UK and the US have been training the Ukrainians for almost a decade at this point. Russia knew the second it stepped into Ukraine it was going to have contend with western armaments.

With the amount the Ukrainians are bleeding the Russians, military gibs are a bargain. Plus it's the perfect place to test out all the shiny new tech the US and UK have developed over the last two decades.

There's no magic or conspiracy to it. The Russians are geostrategic enemies and tossing some javelins to the Ukrainians cucks them for pennies on the dollar.

Extending length of combat and not pushing for peace is escalating.

Also get your story straight, are they just tossing them Javelins or are they testing out all the shiny new tech?

 

[cistendered]

Who the fuck is Denis Prokopenko, Svyatoslav Palamar, Volodymyr Baranyuk, Serhiy Volyna and Maksym Kagal? Five badass military leaders. That's who.

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Overall, Mariupol is the only thing standing in the way of a Russian invasion at this point. It's funny because Mariupol was already encircled since day one of the invasion, and it's been 2 months since. They didn't have a large supply of weapons, this was a big city so food won't last long, and they had no logistical support (at least for the most part). Mariupol is encircled by thousands of kilometers, it's one of the few places Russia has air superiority at, and the Russians can just bombard them from land, air and sea. The Ukrainians only have land defense and a limited amount of it. They had to take the enemy's weapons and food on numerous occasions because the supplies are cut, almost 100% of the city is destroyed, electricity has been gone since the early days of the assault and yet there's still 1,000 - 2,000 people left still fighting, many of whom are injured and are getting gangrene because of a lack of supplies. But yet Russia has already dumped 70% of its high precision artillery arsenal into Ukraine already and we're not even a year in - ALMOST ALL ON ONE CITY! They're now resorting to unguided dumb bombs in some scenarios now. Just imagine all the precision artillery (smart bombs) the US has now. RUSSIA HAS THE SAME FUCKING NUMBER IF NOT HIGHER! That is high intensity warfare taken to another level. That's already supersaiyan intensity warfare. Mariupol was a massive waste of resources for Russia on an enemy that knows the area, knows how to fight and are not willing to give up because they are driven by revenge against Russian imperialism and don't want to be their subject and ruin every forthcoming generation. This is like Waco x1,000,000 right here and these dudes are still inflicting heavy losses on Russia through ambushes, destroying equipment, and so on and up to 50 Russians are neutralized or wounded every day. Many of the Russian officer KIAs were from Mariupol. And they are now sitting inside an underground city defending the last bit of it since they couldn't prepare themselves for the capture with their families holed inside.

But let's look at things from the bright side, on April 23rd, the Ukrainian troops were resupplied (which I guess includes more weapons, first aid and food/water), so they can hold off longer. On April 19th, president Zelensky stated that the country was able to soon see a huge turn of events due to the stalling of Russian forces as they direct all their resources at Mariupol in a desperate bid to take the city with what's left of it being the only missing piece of the puzzle left, and within the next 2-3 weeks, they will start a new counteroffensive. They're gearing up for it because America is supplying them with massive amounts of up-to-date state-of-the-art sophisticated military tech (some of which being previously classified stuff they intended just for a scenario like this) and from there they will be able to break the encirclement.

This is some Modern Warfare shit. Just imagine holding an opponent like that off for 2 months with no proper air defense. Maybe the next addition to the CoD franchise will be Modern Warfare: Mariupol. This scenario was really a nightmare for both sides however, given the training of the soldiers involved (Azov - detachment from the Ukrainian Special Forces or Spetsnaz (Spetsnaz isn't exclusive to Russia, other countries had it)), their unwillingness to give up and that fucking tunnel that they're about to lose to. Literally.

 

[Fcret]

Extending length of combat and not pushing for peace is escalating.

You have a very strange definition of 'escalation.'

Edit: I mean this sincerely. The scope of hostilities has not expanded at all. In fact, due to western support, the scope of hostilities has shrunken considerably (from the entirety of eastern Ukraine to primarily Donetsk and the Black Sea coastline). By any metric what has happened in Ukraine is a de-escalation.

 

[Sicklick]

You can edit your post with the articles but instead reply to me with them? You're coming off like a spaz.
>ukrinform.net
Worth taking with some salt. The first one sources Bellingcat, who have been very wrong at least two times I'm aware of on this. I think the most notable one is early on when they claimed Russian military radios rely on 3g for encryption which is frankly a blatant lie disproven with a cursory look into the systems they're using.

The second article is just a Zelensky speech where the tl;dr is "we've done the first part of joining the EU and Russia sucks"

Well, I do know that they are planning for a counter-move pretty soon, they just need enough to pull it off and so on. Zelensky has clearly stated this. The fact that this has been an obstacle for Russia speaks volumes. That is literally Azov territory. You do not mess with Azov territory, especially when their buddies are gonna appear pretty soon. Azov has been largely successful at holding up and delaying the invasion and the build-up of more troops significantly, giving the rest of the country time and saving so many lives in the process. I remember the war Russia had with Georgia in 2008. It lasted 5 days. FIVE FUCKING DAYS. In the Middle East you had the 6 day war. Historically, an underfunded state is never going to be victorious ESPECIALLY like a scenario like this. In theory, Russia should've steamrolled Ukraine in one day because it's flat plane, it's not mountainous like Afghanistan. But they haven't. That tells you how good fighters Ukraine is even with all of those military targets being destroyed. There was fighting and Russian losses on day one.

In other words, these people can make a war that should've lasted a day or two much longer on a country the size of Russia. Now just imagine how fucked Russia is going to be that they have the tables turned. The difference is Russia doesn't have all of its fancy high tech guided artillery anymore. There's a bunch of other shit they have a lot less of this time too. The defenders in Mariupol survived an arsenal of all types of munitions and missiles (including hypersonic missiles, cluster bombs, vacuum bombs and thermobaric bombs), bullets, chemical agents (they've used phosphorus munitions and modified drones that spray deadly chemical agents), shattered glass, rubble, debris, and everything else, the only way you can stop these people now is through a nuke.

Putin actually got tired and decided to call it off and let them starve, but then just decided to resume anyway.

Therefore, he entrusted the capture of Mariupol to General Aleksandr Dvornikov, a cavernous figure better known as the “Butcher of Syria.” Along with the Butcher, Putin deployed Chechnyan renegade troops first used in Syria to capture Mariupol. The small city was principally defended by the 36th Naval Infantry Brigade, also known as the “Ukrainian Marines." They were modeled on the United States' fabled fighting force – the United States Marine Corps. Their uniforms are the same light green color, and their motto, "Always Faithful," is the same. In past years, they have even trained with United States Marines. Upon seeing them, one would believe themselves at Quantico.

About 2,500 Ukrainian Marines defended Mariupol against perhaps 25,000 Russian troops. The Russians quickly encircled the city, beginning a siege cutting off the city for nearly 50 days in which no help and few supplies arrived. Initial efforts to overwhelm Mariupol in man-to-man assaults failed despite the Russians' more than 10 to 1 advantage. The Butcher then repeated his Syrian strategy, using artillery to reduce the city to ashes, shelling refugees, killing perhaps 20,000 civilians, and cutting off all food and water supplies. Still, the Marines, with many wounded and dead and without air cover or hope of victory or even rescue, would not surrender.

The resistance of the Marines was so furious that even with Mariupol in ashes, they fought on in the basements and tunnels beneath the burning and ruined steel plant in a hellish last stand reminiscent of Stalingrad. Even with the Russians' use of phosphorus, the Marines picked agonizing death by chemical fire over surrender.

Eduard Basurin, a Putin spokesman, threatened to use chemical weapons “to smoke the moles out of their holes.” The Marines themselves have claimed through steel plant leader Andriy Biletsky that chemical gases were being sprayed on them by Russian drones. Russian spokesman Igor Nikulin clarified that Russia might be using "special substances, but not chemical weapons" – a distinction without a difference to the entombed, outnumbered Marines.

An unknown Facebook poster delivered yesterday in perhaps the last message of the Mariupol Marines that the “infantry are all dead," and the drivers and the orchestra are now leading the fight with almost all ammunition gone.

“We kept the defense … Try doing the impossible … What comes next is death or captivity … Remember the Marines with a kind word. They did everything impossible.”

On April 13th at 3:57 a.m., Chechnyan mercenaries claimed the last 1,026 Marines had surrendered.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2022/04/22/last_stand_of_the_mariupol_marines_828476.html

4,000+ Ukrainian soldiers dead, 1,000+ captured, 22,000+ civilians dead, 20,000 - 30,000+ civilians kidnapped by Russian forces and 1 - 4 Ukrainian helicopters shot down. Absolutely insane.

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If Russia is so stronk, explain why it took 2 months to level a fucking city when it took Bush a day to do the same amount of damage in a city much bigger?

 

[Sammich]

You have a very strange definition of 'escalation.'

Are you trying to argue that outside forces giving weapons isn't an escalation? If i'm beating the fuck out guy who's got a stick and i break that stick, and you hand him a metal stick; you are escalating the violence.

 

[mindlessobserver]

How hard is it to sling a rifle with a strap over your shoulder? Asking for an Azovite.

Those who have gone through military training understand. It really cannot be put into words. You become the dumbest mother fucker on the planet when you are surrounded by three senior NCOs yelling at you to do something right. It could be something as simple as tying your boots, and in that moment you forget entirely how to do it.

 

[Fcret]

Are you trying to argue that outside forces giving weapons isn't an escalation? If i'm beating the fuck out guy who's got a stick and i break that stick, and you hand him a metal stick; you are escalating the violence.

Appeasement is not a moral duty. You are under no obligation to not aid someone under attack simply because you will prolong the violence.

Just wars are a thing and aiding one is not immoral. See: Romans 13:4

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This is the most potent Copium I have seen during this entire war.

Your forgot "And they are now sitting inside an underground city defending the last bit of it since they couldn't prepare themselves for the capture with their families holed inside."

That is literally Azov territory. You do not mess with Azov territory, especially when their buddies are gonna appear pretty soon. Azov has been largely successful at holding up and delaying the invasion and the build-up of more troops significantly,

Azog are hiding behind women and children. What buddies are about to appear? The Israelis? The Poles? The Bongs? America? Also I don't recall anyone stating Russia was going to steamroll the Ukes in one day. I suspect you are suffering from a massive copium overdose. Get you some narcan.

Those who have gone through military training understand. It really cannot be put into words. You become the dumbest mother fucker on the planet when you are surrounded by three senior NCOs yelling at you to do something right. It could be something as simple as tying your boots, and in that moment you forget entirely how to do it.

If you need three people to yell at you to do something so simple even a mong could do it then maybe it's warranted.

 

[Based Boy]

Neo-Nazi sisters, are we being Jewed?

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[Sammich]

Appeasement is not a moral duty. You are under no obligation to not aid someone under attack simply because you will prolong the violence.

Just wars are a thing and aiding one is not immoral. See: Romans 13:4

woosh goes the goal posts. we aren't talking moral or immoral here. You were arguing about escalation, explained simple enough for you to understand it, and boom you change it to some moral issue.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Neo-Nazi sisters, are we being Jewed?
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They're here for Azog, I guess Slick Dick was right, you can't oy vey the Azog.

 

[Aidan]

If you need three people to yell at you to do something so simple even a mong could do it then maybe it's warranted.

The young guy is retarded but it's honestly an expected level of retarded and you'll see it in any military. Still a funny clip.

@Sicklick
You're just coping. This is fanfic.

That is literally Azov territory. You do not mess with Azov territory, especially when their buddies are gonna appear pretty soon.

Azov and what army? What Ukrainian forces of any size are moving around Ukraine right now?

Now just imagine how fucked Russia is going to be that they have the tables turned.

The tables haven't turned, Ukraine has done well to do what they've done and are doing. Stop expecting them to suddenly hulk out and push Russia back. The way some people (including journalists and Ukrainian leadership) talk, Russia has been on the back foot this whole time, yet somehow they're still there and still taking territory.

You're saying a lot of unsourced bullshit and while it may be sourced as far as you're concerned, ultimately it's sourced back to some tweet, Zelensky's words to his own people, or thin air.

Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true.

 

[Fcret]

woosh goes the goal posts. we aren't talking moral or immoral here. You were arguing about escalation, explained simple enough for you to understand it, and boom you change it to some moral issue.

And I pointed out that what is occurring in Ukraine is, by definition, not escalation. The scope, scale, and intensity of the violence has not increased (and has in fact decreased). At which point you tried to bring up some moral equivocation built around a hypothetical scenario involving sticks and I responded in kind.

 

[Ponzo]

Neo-Nazi sisters, are we being Jewed?
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Alright im fully on Team Russia now. Those jewish Nazis are confusing me too much

Spoiler: Globohomo

 

[Butter Lover]

Arent 16 year olds supposed to be in school?

in school, chasing girls, doing cringe tiktok vids, being toxic at vidyas and etc... a lot of kids like him are fucked, even if they make it out of this.
cant really blame the ukrainians for doing this, its war after all. my grandpa just turned 15 when Bataan fell to the japs, he then joined the guerrillas soon after that.

 

[doesnotglow]

Buy the dip.

 

[bread n circuses]

Staying on the topic of Azov, new plea for help just dropped, now with 5 time more kids.
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Azov uses civilian vehicles to stage ambushes, wears civilian clothing and uses civilians leaving the city as cover, and now they have their fucking children with them in their bunker.

As far as I’m concerned most civilian casualties in Mariupol, and especially those children, can be laid at the feet of Azov.