Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Titos]

Idk, maybe because they hate Russia, have been killing Pro-Russians for the last 8 years, beg to join NATO and teach their children to hate Russia, calling for the ruin of Moscow and Russia when they "conquer the world" and to exterminate "Muscovites"

Spoiler: Examples

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There's tons of people in both Canada and Mexico that hate everyone in the US, alot of which are involved in the governments. Doesn't really mean we have a good reason to invade them. I know other countries have a different idea for themselves than Russia does, and that seemingly makes Russians parody level mad. That's doesn't give Russia the right to decide the alliances and policies of its neighbors.

This whole mentality is just like a robber who breaks into a house then whines when the home owner blows his kneecaps off. He then goes to the stand and says he was breaking into the house because he heard the guy was a nazi, as if that gives them the right to break into the houses of people. Russia as a whole seems to be a schizo ex GF who thinks all her exes really want to get back with her, while in reality they all want nothing to do with her. While Ukraine is just an ex who turned into a whore. Both are pathetic but one is much more pathetic.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Transnistria will join up with Russia, if the southern coast is captured.

Well I am currently miles behind in the thread but saw something mentioned on the Russian telegrams.

That it has the largest ammo dump in all of Europe and Hohols have their eyes on it since its like next door to the border with Ukraine.

And its apparently ran by descendants of White Russians that hate communism and dismantled everything related to commie stuff over there.

 

[Based Boy]

They won't. Poland is not very reliant on gas, I'm not sure if we have even single power plant running on it. 55% of gas to Poland comes from Russia. Demand for gas is low though all spring and summer. However in autumn this bad boy gets opened.
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Satisfying supply for gas. In fact, Poland wanted to stop buying Russian gas before, but couldn't Current Gazprom contract is set up in way "buy or pay", so for Poland it was ethier buying Russian gas, or contract violation and lost in an arbitration court in Sweden.

I know Polish gas storage facilities are probably near full, so it would not be a problem short term, but how cheaper/higher in cost would be Norwegian gas, and what percentage of Polish need it can cover? Would it be cheaper than Russian gas and you would be able to cover 100% of domestic need for gas, or would you need to buy overpriced gas from America or other places for your economy to be fully loaded on gas and not shrink?
Actually, does Poland experience any increase in food and consumer goods prices after war started?(Not some kind of own, i simply want to know)

 

[kuuu]

And its apparently ran by descendants of White Russians that hate communism and dismantled everything related to commie stuff over there.

>soviet uniform
>soviet flag
>soviet coat of arms
>monarchist
lol

Self-loathing is ingrained in Slavic DNA.

 

[Cavalier Cipolla]

Standard of 30-40 should be standard of 30-40, but somehow people try to shame USSR about Poland, and dont care about Chechoslovakia, fast forward almost 100 years later, NPCs of today repeat NPCs of the past.

But in our time? Honestly, yes, I for making standards universal, but I don't expect a positive change in that direction from the people who invented "whataboutism."

p.s.
Косово је српска земља

People do shame USSR over Czechoslovakia, albeit due to the USSR rolling tanks in Czechoslovakia.
If you support that Kosovo is Serbian territory, does that also mean you support that Donbas and Crimea are Ukrainian territory?

 

[whatever I feel like]

Idk, maybe because they hate Russia, have been killing Pro-Russians for the last 8 years, beg to join NATO and teach their children to hate Russia, calling for the ruin of Moscow and Russia when they "conquer the world" and to exterminate "Muscovites"

Spoiler: Examples

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"Our feelings are worth more than your lives." the post.

And you wonder why it is that they hate Russia.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

There's tons of people in both Canada and Mexico that hate everyone in the US, alot of which are involved in the governments. Doesn't really mean we have a good reason to invade them. I know other countries have a different idea for themselves than Russia does, and that seemingly makes Russians parody level mad. That's doesn't give Russia the right to decide the alliances and policies of its neighbors.

This whole mentality is just like a robber who breaks into a house then whines when the home owner blows his kneecaps off. He then goes to the stand and says he was breaking into the house because he heard the guy was a nazi, as if that gives them the right to break into the houses of people. Russia as a whole seems to be a schizo ex GF who thinks all her exes really want to get back with her, while in reality they all want nothing to do with her. While Ukraine is just an ex who turned into a whore. Both are pathetic but one is much more pathetic.

Hypocrisy from the West thanks to the Soloman Islands aside, the past 20 years of Russia has been spreading it's borders. The Second Chechnian War happened because of apartment bombings that may have been false flags and Russia just said "Chechnya did it!" and in the end nobody was even charged, The Russian-Georgian war happened in very similar manner to Donbass except with no coup, where a couple heavily Russian regions say "We're independent!" and Russia eventually swoops in militarily to make sure they're under their Sphere of Influence permanently.

You could make an argument one of the major reasons the Baltic and other Eastern Europe countries flocked to NATO and joined in 2004 was because of The Second Chechnian War, which is now a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point, Russia invades another country over the excuse of "Muh Russian minorities!", other countries with significant Russian minorities get worried (major reason they have Russian minorities anyways is thanks to the USSR's deportation policies) and join NATO to ensure they won't be next, and now look at it, Finland and Sweden are joining NATO, which only had moderate at best support before the invasion.

 

[Based Boy]

People do shame USSR over Czechoslovakia, albeit due to the USSR rolling tanks in Czechoslovakia.
If you support that Kosovo is Serbian territory, does that also mean you support that Donbas and Crimea are Ukrainian territory?

No, his logic will lead to one simple conclusion. Ukraine is Russian.

 

[Ponzo]

Well I am currently miles behind in the thread but saw something mentioned on the Russian telegrams.

That it has the largest ammo dump in all of Europe and Hohols have their eyes on it since its like next door to the border with Ukraine.

And its apparently ran by descendants of White Russians that hate communism and dismantled everything related to commie stuff over there.

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I don't think they would ever choose Ukraine over Russia

Baldy was there

In the first minute of the video

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

A question for the Russia supporters in this thread:
How justified do you feel Russia is in waging this war against Ukraine? Absolutely justified? Somewhat justified? Not at all, but you don't like Ukraine and the state of the West so you're cheering Russia on anyway? I'd also appreciate it if you would explain why you feel so.

I think it is justified, firstly there is a legitimate national security concern for the Russians in Ukraine joining NATO, it would put the Russians at a massive disadvantage in any war scenario with the west, it's the perfect corridor for an invasion and that's not even to mention if they decided to put nukes there, which Zelenskyy was retarded enough to bring up at the Munich Security Conference.
Secondly, I think it's clear at this point that the people in charge of the west have a fanatical obsession with getting regime change in Russia, whether it's because they don't like that Russia doesn't embrace globohomo enough or that they just want to have control of the resources, they want a Russian puppet state or states.
Thirdly, the Ukrainians have made it their mission since 2014 to antagonize the Russians not just in foreign policy but in domestic policy as well and it doesn't even matter if you think that the Russians concerns aren't legitimate, they have to be respected because Russia is a huge and important country and that's the mistake Ukraine made. When you have a much more powerful country on your border, you can't go out of your way to fuck with them and not expect to be fucked with back at a certain point. It was stupid and pushed by the Ukrainian elite at the detriment of the people.
I would also add that probably part of it is I do despise the state of the west so much and even if circumstances were different, I'd still root for Russia.

 

[Garm]

A question for the Russia supporters in this thread:
How justified do you feel Russia is in waging this war against Ukraine? Absolutely justified? Somewhat justified? Not at all, but you don't like Ukraine and the state of the West so you're cheering Russia on anyway? I'd also appreciate it if you would explain why you feel so.

Biden and his Oligarchs took a shit in my yard. Ukrainian Oligarchs lined up to kiss Biden's ring. Russian Oligarchs are currently smacking them with their dicks. Russia and China are the only ones in the weight class to even give the American establishment a throwdown.

Think about it like this. It is like two Kaiju fighting. The first one showed up and stepped on your house. Then a second Kaiju showed up and started smacking the first one around. You cheer the second one because the first one was a dick in the first place.

A bit off topic perhaps, or maybe not if put in a "rules for thee but not for me" perspective.
I wonder if there'll be a new thread when it becomes a proper world war with China and Nato going balls out...

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The Middle East has taken notice. Basically "How come when a Palestinian (or insert which ever ethnic group) makes a Molotov cocktail, it's "terrorism", but Ukrainians make a Molotov cocktail and it is "patriotism."

My guess is that the war is a public relations nightmare all the way around for the US.

 

[kuuu]

Spoiler: NSFW - Some more granrly pics from Azovstal, uh.. hospital?

 

[Cavalier Cipolla]

No, his logic will lead to one simple conclusion. Ukraine is Russian.

But that's apples to oranges.
Kosovo was a SAP (Socialist Autonomous Region) within SR (Socialist Republic) Serbia and not a Socialist Republic, while Ukraine was an SSR within the USSR.
Doneck and Luhansk never had any special autonomous region status even in the Soviet era.

 

[Elbereth]

I know Polish gas storage facilities are probably near full, so it would not be a problem short term, but how cheaper/higher in cost would be Norwegian gas, and what percentage of Polish need it can cover?

Currently Poland uses 20 (American) billions m^3 of gas yearly. Baltic pipe covers 10 billions m^3. Russia amounted for 55% of gas supply. Other 45% were bought throu gas terminal and small amount is mined in Poland.

Would it be cheaper than Russian gas and you would be able to cover 100% of domestic need for gas, or would you need to buy overpriced gas from America or other places for your economy to be fully loaded on gas and not shrink?

About price: we don't really know. Contracts between PGNiG and Gazprom are not public. There was rumor that PGNiG bought some gas deposits in Norway for very, very good price, but again this is only rumor.

My gut feeling says it probably will be more expensive than gas from Russia, but not by great amount.

Actually, does Poland experience any increase in food and consumer goods prices after war started?(Not some kind of own, i simply want to know)

Food prices are on highest level among whole world. All because of this war. Poland also has food prices increases and according to Central Statistical Office it is 10% higher than April 2021.

 

[UVB-76]

if they decided to put nukes there

It's important to remember that the nuclear triad always rebalances the equation into a zero sum game. Nukes in Ukraine would change absolutely nothing. There's no scenario in which a missile launch from Ukrainian territory would guarantee a win condition, or a "not as bad of a loss" outcome. The entire point of MAD is that even a knockout blow to Moscow would lead to bombers, silos, land based mobile launchers and submarines to retaliate.

Russian Oligarchs are currently smacking them with their dicks

I don't think they actually wanted this. Putin seems to be holding them "hostage" to the special operation so that they know they're fucked too if regime change happens.

 

[Garm]

I don't think they actually wanted this. Putin seems to be holding them "hostage" to the special operation so that they know they're fucked too if regime change happens.

I don't know the intricacies of Russian politics. I just know the tanks rolled.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

It's important to remember that the nuclear triad always rebalances the equation into a zero sum game. Nukes in Ukraine would change absolutely nothing. There's no scenario in which a missile launch from Ukrainian territory would guarantee a win condition, or a "not as bad of a loss" outcome. The entire point of MAD is that even a knockout blow to Moscow would lead to bombers, silos, land based mobile launchers and submarines to retaliate.

Where nuclear missiles are stationed hasn't really mattered since the 70s anyways, only really serving as something to shake your fist at since then, by that time ICBMs were prolific enough, accurate enough, and having better range in general, that it rendered concerns of actually hitting all your targets basically null and void and made things like MRBMs and IRBMs a matter of cost and other things that won't matter in a full blown nuclear war between NATO and the USSR.

It's why nobody actually gives a shit about how awesome Sarmat is besides Russia and their shills on Twitter. The difference level of 400 Sarmat missiles flying at the US and 400 Minutemen III missiles flying at Russia will be minimal, because basically everyone in both countries will be dead or doomed to die from the radiation.

 

[Elbereth]

There is reason why Germany and some other countries are so reliant on gas is they have this fancy thing called renewable energy. And honestly, it is great, it produces cheap energy ans so on. But sun sometimes shines, sometimes hides behind clouds. Wind sometimes is strong, sometimes weak. However in energy sector, you have to ALWAYS supply exactly as much energy as it is demanded. And if the demand changes you have to increase supply. So in order to keep economy running you have to have some other, reliable energy source.

The problem is with this energy source. Nuclear produces constant amount of energy, so when demand changes you can't really increase or decrease to fill it. You could start coal power plant in hours, but to make it economically viable you have to keep it running for like three days or so. Also it produces quite a lot CO2 for energy unit so not ideal. However, you can start gas turbine near instantly, and have it shut down in next 5 minutes if you want so. Also, of all fossil fuels gas produces the least amount CO2 per energy unit. Amazing! Less amazing when Putin shuts down gas pipe.

However, Poland have like jack shit of solar panels and windmils. Entirety of Poland runs on greenest energy source - coal And all coal needed to produce energy is mined in country. Also Germany was able to produce their energy comparatively cheaper than Poland because biggest part of energy price in Poland is co2 tariffs. However, what was weakness before is strength now, because energy prices in Poland increases less than in Germany because co2 tariff is constant.

 

[Cavalier Cipolla]

Hooooo boy do I have a news for ya.
Got contacted by local recruitment center, a proposal to sign a contract to see Ukraine. Lol who do they think I am, a degenerate?
Fuck this shit, it's not my fight. Neither they have any right to propose this shit to me after I've got discharged due to health condition got pretty much bad. Besides these motherfuckers paid me nothing for the damage they've done to me so they can go kill themselves, I ain't sign.

A recruitment center in Russia?
So you're pro Russia and from Russia, apparently, and you want the army officials to kill themselves at the same time?
Do you even have the option of not signing in Russia?
So you ain't signing because it's not your fight? Fair enough. What are your thoughts about pro Ukraine people outside of Ukraine also not wanting to visit and fight in Ukraine because it's not your fight?

 

[Lone MacReady]

Biden and his Oligarchs took a shit in my yard. Ukrainian Oligarchs lined up to kiss Biden's ring. Russian Oligarchs are currently smacking them with their dicks. Russia and China are the only ones in the weight class to even give the American establishment a throwdown.

Think about it like this. It is like two Kaiju fighting. The first one showed up and stepped on your house. Then a second Kaiju showed up and started smacking the first one around. You cheer the second one because the first one was a dick in the first place.

The Middle East has taken notice. Basically "How come when a Palestinian (or insert which ever ethnic group) makes a Molotov cocktail, it's "terrorism", but Ukrainians make a Molotov cocktail and it is "patriotism."

My guess is that the war is a public relations nightmare all the way around for the US.

Specially since Americanda just got done getting kicked out of Afghan after 20-years of meddling for solomon. All "moral highground" gone, the lie of American ""democracy"" outed, the limp-dicked propaganda getting easier to recognize by the year. You can also go back a mere 4 months before the start of the war to see willfully destroyed energy/food production, high gas prices, and hyperinflated fiat currency. Hard to blame Putin for shit that was ongoing before his invasion. Not good for western propagandists at all, they really had to drop the Coof narrative quickly in order to pivot the plebs into the Ukraine news.