Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread
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The Ukrops are STILL lying about shooting down 2 IL-76's?
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You didn't mention NATO, I did.
Because NATO in relation to Serbia is the same actor as Russia is today in Ukraine.
It's world wide hypocrisy.
Either return Kosovo to the Serbs or shut up about the annexation of Donbass. It's that simple.
Nato separated Kosovo by force while spitting on "holy" international law and bombing the shit out of Serbs. The Russians are doing the same in Ukraine.
But the world is now shocked. Fucking herd.
The reasons for them are important.
When was the last time American war pigs touched Saudis or Pakistanis?You know, those who financed terrorism? US never cared about terrorism in the Middle East; hell, they funded it.
Because I don't want a fucking Caucasus Emirate, no thank you.
Because Chechnya wasn't even a republic within the Union, it was an indisputed part of Russia. The Union fell, and the retards in power could not handle it, and terroristic cells moved into Chechnya. Did Ichkeria become free and democratic after Russia lost the first war? Or has it started to inflict acts of terror on its neighbors?
For god's sake, look at how Chechnya looks now as part of Russia, and then look at Afghanistan after the USA "liberated" them. The results speak louder than the words.
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Janurary 6th was an armed coup attempt orchestrated by Trump supporters that attempted to overturn the legitimate democratic election where it turned out Biden won, and not Trump. How come that there was no January 6th attempt from the "left" when Trump got elected, but only a Twitter meltdown? I assume you'd quote the Euromaidan as a hypocrisy example. Here's one thing: Yanukovich indeed got elected legitimately in 2010. The Euromaidan happened in 2014! That was after Yanukovich decided to scrap the EU integration plan in favour of closer ties to Russia that was in place, and jailed his opponent Yuliya Tymoshenko.
The EU laws are only against big tech, and not individual people, and for far more retarded disinformation. In Russia, anything critical of the government can land you in prison for "disinformation". You also have anti war protests being broken up, and political opponents jailed. There's a good reason that Russia is ranked so low for its political freedom and freedom of the press.
But I assume you're gonna tell me that all of these organizations assessing the political freedoms around the world are part of some wokist pedophile kabal ring or something.
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Not this one. It is the most valuable ally.
This is a master nation.
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You seem to be well-informed, and I like your posts. Could you please explain to me why any Russian would consider himself a liberal after Yeltsin?
Is it like an IQ curve thing and I'm stuck in the middle, surrounded by mouth breathers eating enlightened western crayons on one side of the curve and invisible arms of the market gigachads on the other?
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What about Danzig? Königsberg? Elsaß?
russia and the Anglos both are known for stealing land...
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Please do resurrect eastern Prussia.
Those Finns and Poles sure do love to steal land.
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Ah, I see. Thank you for clarifying your position on the issue.
If you consider who is paying their bills, the signs point to "yes".
Need I remind you that Ukraine, which is being hailed as the model of democracy, the champion of European values and the bulwark of freedom outright banned all independent press and opposition parties? Why are these organizations keeping mum about that?
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I'm reminded of that video of the krokodil addict's foot melting off with no blood.
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Bro.. just, bro.. please..
It's like part of your brain that is supposed to be responsible for self-awareness got neutered..
Hmm, now that I think about it, krokodil wound looked.. dead. In some videos doctors even poked it. That muscle tissue was dead along with all the nerves, so the person probably didn't suffer as much as someone with live rotting flesh.
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Du hattest nur eine aufgabe!
We will trade Ukraine for Konigsberg. But make it an independent theocracy with shady banking laws.
lol look at this faggot; not a single person was charged with carrying/brandishing weapons, in the country with the highest gun ownership in the world.
Senile old white man wins more votes that Black Jesus, aka Obama. Right. Are you going to try to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge next?
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January 6th was a bunch of boomers, fat retards, and similar true and honest miga fans who got roped in to a honey pot that glowed so hard it could illuminate the dark side of the moon. As for a left revolt, they looted and rioted in smaller pockets instead of converging on dc. That didn't stop this soy pustule from becoming famous though:
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You really had to use news-front, a confirmed Russian propaganda outlet, as your source? Sure.
Are these sites labeled as high credibility also part of some wokist leftist pedophile ring kabal?
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Ah, that's an easy one. No True Scotsman fallacy to the rescue! You see, Yeltsin wasn't a true liberal. True liberalism, like communism, just hasn't been tried yet and it will surely work out the next time we try it in Russia.
Excuse me while I go and wash my mouth with soap after saying that rubbish, it was sarcasm.
No, the real explanation is simple, although Yeltsin is seen as an incompetent alcoholic instead of a liberal.
Russian liberalism is very idealistic in nature. You'll notice that most Russian liberals are either very young or tilting at windmills, and like any social phenomenon, can be explained by delving into history.
Say what you want about the disaster that was late USSR, it had a working social lift. In theory, anyone could make their way to the ruling class over their lifetime and some people actually did. Start in a youth organization, actively toe the party line and do community work in the university, become a party member and claw your way to the presidium by hook or by crook. Difficult but not impossible for the ambitious.
This social lift collapsed with the USSR. After Yeltsin and his cronies replaced planned economy with laissez-faire capitalism, a fresh crop of oligarchs emerged by robbing and murdering their way through the nineties. The initial stage of accumulation of capital is never pretty, and the criminal situation in Russia back then can attest to that, but by 2000 the dust settled, Putin came and restored a semblance of order and the new aristocracy entrenched its positions.
Suddenly, the youth born in the nineties found themselves unable to get to the top unless they were born into a ruling family. 99% weren't. The positions in current Russian ruling class are hereditary: the big businesses, the fortunes, the important chairs in bureaucratic apparatus are largely inherited. Ergo, the images of American self-made men and European meritocracy which the entire Western culture projects become very appealing. And easily imprinted on idealistic minds with all the weight of literature, movies and Western cultural zeitgeist. Russians were (and are) eager consumers of American and European media - which is why, personally, the rapid turn towards China and India is giving me whiplash. I cannot stomach Indian movies and Chinese novels. But let's not digress.
Consider what a young Russian liberal sees. A gimy commie block for an apartment, questionable employment opportunities if you aren't smart enough to go into IT (most people are not), professions that are well-paid in the West (doctors, lawyers, teachers) come with pitiful income and nowhere near enough respect. Against this background, the Western utopia shines brightly. Surely these people are doing something right? Why can't we be like them and prosper? Because Putin is a dick, obviously.
Which is partially true but does not take into account several less obvious factors not immediately seen by a young person's eye. Like the peculiarities of Russian economic system (gas station) that isn't about to change anytime soon due to being unable to compete with China in manufacturing, the anti-Russian policies being sequaciously implemented by the West because America needs an antagonist to maintain its position on the top of the world and the danger posed by Chechen-like separatism in the border regions. The measures the governement takes to combat these threats are perceived as heavy-handed and tyrannical.
TL: DR - Russian liberal yearns for freedom and self-actualization, thinks the West can offer all that in abundance but fails to see the devil in the details.
Note that I am pretty liberal myself and also see the Russian government as tyrannical, mishandling many domestic issues and - the greatest sin of all - stomping out any and all attempts at the systemic change that would start at the roots and teach people indepencence and self-consciousness required for a healthy democracy - but I also see the underwater rocks the idealists do not and largely understand why Russian despotism is doing what it is doing.
I do not understand why it escalated the conflict to a full-blown war at an egregious expense to itself and its citizens, though I do have several theories by now.
In conclusion, liberalism is a beautiful thing. At its core lies the respect for every person's desire to pursue happiness, self-actualize, earn the respect of one's peers and be rewarded for doing the right things - but Russian liberals do not have a working plan how to achieve all that and mistake bad actors for visionaries, which can only lead to disaster.
Forgive me if I am meandering, the topic is philosophical in nature.
Say what you want about the disaster that was late USSR, it had a working social lift. In theory, anyone could make their way to the ruling class over their lifetime and some people actually did. Start in a youth organization, actively toe the party line and do community work in the university, become a party member and claw your way to the presidium by hook or by crook. Difficult but not impossible for the ambitious.
This social lift collapsed with the USSR. After Yeltsin and his cronies replaced planned economy with laissez-faire capitalism, a fresh crop of oligarchs emerged by robbing and murdering their way through the nineties. The initial stage of accumulation of capital is never pretty, and the criminal situation in Russia back then can attest to that, but by 2000 the dust settled, Putin came and restored a semblance of order and the new aristocracy entrenched its positions.
Suddenly, the youth born in the nineties found themselves unable to get to the top unless they were born into a ruling family. 99% weren't. The positions in current Russian ruling class are hereditary: the big businesses, the fortunes, the important chairs in bureaucratic apparatus are largely inherited. Ergo, the images of American self-made men and European meritocracy which the entire Western culture projects become very appealing. And easily imprinted on idealistic minds with all the weight of literature, movies and Western cultural zeitgeist. Russians were (and are) eager consumers of American and European media - which is why, personally, the rapid turn towards China and India is giving me whiplash. I cannot stomach Indian movies and Chinese novels. But let's not digress.
Consider what a young Russian liberal sees. A gimy commie block for an apartment, questionable employment opportunities if you aren't smart enough to go into IT (most people are not), professions that are well-paid in the West (doctors, lawyers, teachers) come with pitiful income and nowhere near enough respect. Against this background, the Western utopia shines brightly. Surely these people are doing something right? Why can't we be like them and prosper? Because Putin is a dick, obviously.
Which is partially true but does not take into account several less obvious factors not immediately seen by a young person's eye. Like the peculiarities of Russian economic system (gas station) that isn't about to change anytime soon due to being unable to compete with China in manufacturing, the anti-Russian policies being sequaciously implemented by the West because America needs an antagonist to maintain its position on the top of the world and the danger posed by Chechen-like separatism in the border regions. The measures the governement takes to combat these threats are perceived as heavy-handed and tyrannical.
TL: DR - Russian liberal yearns for freedom and self-actualization, thinks the West can offer all that in abundance but fails to see the devil in the details.
Note that I am pretty liberal myself and also see the Russian government as tyrannical, mishandling many domestic issues and - the greatest sin of all - stomping out any and all attempts at the systemic change that would start at the roots and teach people indepencence and self-consciousness required for a healthy democracy - but I also see the underwater rocks the idealists do not and largely understand why Russian despotism is doing what it is doing.
I do not understand why it escalated the conflict to a full-blown war at an egregious expense to itself and its citizens, though I do have several theories by now.
In conclusion, liberalism is a beautiful thing. At its core lies the respect for every person's desire to pursue happiness, self-actualize, earn the respect of one's peers and be rewarded for doing the right things - but Russian liberals do not have a working plan how to achieve all that and mistake bad actors for visionaries, which can only lead to disaster.
Forgive me if I am meandering, the topic is philosophical in nature.
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Fun fact, Canada did sign a military cooperation pact under the Harper government. That's what lead to the flurry of CHINESE TROOPS CONCENTRATING IN CANADA articles by schizo news sites but the Canadian government said they backed off from joint training with China in 2019.
Now imagine if Mexico put Mexican weapons in California so that they could fight a war of secession, and when the US fought back Mexico insisted it was a genocide and had to invade the US. The US had a militarized Mexican puppet inside its borders for 8 years, and now Mexico says it will have independence referendums all the way up to Washington state to cut off the US from the Pacific.
Meme magic should make the VDV shootdown real, but there's been no pictures of a wreckage apart from that one so burnt down we couldn't even tell if it was a Russian or Ukrainian aircraft.
Holy shit, I had heard of the Black Tom explosion but genuinely didn't know it was caused by Germany.
I mean, at that point we're dealing with glowops rather than "legitimate targets" but I guess your point still stands.
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