Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Godzilla@1989]

Nothing makes me happy than seeing Disney getting fucked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61192982.amp

 

[Uranus Pink]

We're still in the foreplay part of the getting fucked over session. Which means there's plenty of time and opportunities to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. When Disney starts getting their new reappraised property tax bills and the Florida's version of the IRS are doing the "where's my money bitch, where's my money" routine. That is when we can start celebrating.

 

[Sneed F91]

Hot take: If you see her in Vietnamese attire or other dresses, she doesn’t look bad, but in TLJ she looked like some chubby fan girl that really doesn’t belong anywhere near Star Wars.

And all because Rian wanted someone who didn't look like they belonged in Star Wars that simultaneously looked like a girl he wanted to date in high school. Fuck him.

 

[Screamer]

Hollywood likes to think they're progressive and down with it, but they're idiots. So they don't notice they're racist and full of stereotypes and ignorance.

So of course the default is that all Asians are the same. Of course, looks don't matter the way it would for a white person. It's just Asian. They do it with a bunch of races.

It's like how they often cast black actors and actresses who are not good looking. Black actresses who are fat. There also seems to be an overabundance of LGBT characters who are black. It's very much an othering mindset with the characters.

Being representative is to look like it is to some ignorant person who knows nothing about races or cultures. Disney's casting calls for the live-action Alladin was literally anyone brown and ethnic looking from Morocco to Pakistan.

Looking ethnic is all that matters. Oscar Isaac is a good actor, but literally, how many races has he played? No one cares because he looks a bit ethnic. He can be anything.

Hollywood will make a film in Turkey, with Turkish actors that is meant to be in Iran. Not even noticing or caring Persians are a different race. They'll virtue signal a film like Gods of Egypt or older films are wrong for erasing ethnicities by casting white people. Yet everyone knows that. Constantly casting brown people as being interchangeable and all the same, actually does more harm. It does create the notion that the "others" are all the same. It isn't properly representing culture. Western audiences just watch it and think they're watching Iranians. In Iran they're going, "why the fuck is this film set in Iran full of hairy Turkish people and not beautiful Persians?"

It's like how anything from South Asia needs the stereotypes of a Bollywood number. Just look at the Eternals and the upcoming Ms Marvel series.

Why do they keep casting Koreans as Japanese characters?

Shang-Chi, for the actor being all woke and shit. Where was that when he was a Chinese man playing a Korean? Disney goes out of its way to virtue signal about an appropriate director, yet they end up with Asian over Chinese. A Japanese guy from Hawaii. It's just symbolic.

Even behind the scenes it's getting bad at othering people. I've heard Asian screen writers complain that they're now seen as Asian first. They'll be offered only jobs to write stuff with Asian characters or set in Asia. Told that them being hired will be authentic. Not caring that it's writing for a different Asian culture than their own background and they grew up in America. Saw themselves as American first until this woke stuff started focusing on them being Asian.

I will stop because I could go on endlessly about this crap. Like how black people are always cast as gods and ancients.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Well yeah, because Disney tried to appeal to Chinese people by casting a Vietnamese actress. They literally pulled a "them gooks look all the fuckin' same" moment there and forgot how they don't to each other. Did a just as embarrassing version in Mulan too with the architecture.

Do we really know if Tran and Ngo were cast specifically to cater to China, or just to have more Asians in Star Wars (despite there being no such thing in this universe)?

Hollywood likes to think they're progressive and down with it, but they're idiots. So they don't notice they're racist and full of stereotypes and ignorance.

So of course the default is that all Asians are the same. Of course, looks don't matter the way it would for a white person. It's just Asian. They do it with a bunch of races.

It's like how they often cast black actors and actresses who are not good looking. Black actresses who are fat. There also seems to be an overabundance of LGBT characters who are black. It's very much an othering mindset with the characters.

Being representative is to look like it is to some ignorant person who knows nothing about races or cultures. Disney's casting calls for the live-action Alladin was literally anyone brown and ethnic looking from Morocco to Pakistan.

Looking ethnic is all that matters. Oscar Isaac is a good actor, but literally, how many races has he played? No one cares because he looks a bit ethnic. He can be anything.

Hollywood will make a film in Turkey, with Turkish actors that is meant to be in Iran. Not even noticing or caring Persians are a different race. They'll virtue signal a film like Gods of Egypt or older films are wrong for erasing ethnicities by casting white people. Yet everyone knows that. Constantly casting brown people as being interchangeable and all the same, actually does more harm. It does create the notion that the "others" are all the same. It isn't properly representing culture. Western audiences just watch it and think they're watching Iranians. In Iran they're going, "why the fuck is this film set in Iran full of hairy Turkish people and not beautiful Persians?"

It's like how anything from South Asia needs the stereotypes of a Bollywood number. Just look at the Eternals and the upcoming Ms Marvel series.

Why do they keep casting Koreans as Japanese characters?

Shang-Chi, for the actor being all woke and shit. Where was that when he was a Chinese man playing a Korean? Disney goes out of its way to virtue signal about an appropriate director, yet they end up with Asian over Chinese. A Japanese guy from Hawaii. It's just symbolic.

Even behind the scenes it's getting bad at othering people. I've heard Asian screen writers complain that they're now seen as Asian first. They'll be offered only jobs to write stuff with Asian characters or set in Asia. Told that them being hired will be authentic. Not caring that it's writing for a different Asian culture than their own background and they grew up in America. Saw themselves as American first until this woke stuff started focusing on them being Asian.

I will stop because I could go on endlessly about this crap. Like how black people are always cast as gods and ancients.

Because it was never about being woke. That's just a mask to cover up what this is really about: money. That's why Disney and other companies erase any mention of homosexuality when they release their films in various Eastern countries. What can, or what they believe can, generate the most profit.

Disney is desperate in trying to have their cake and then eat it too, and it really isn't working; claiming to be woke while at the same time fucking with the cultures of other areas. You have Randall Park, a Korean-American, playing Jimmy Woo, who is Chinese-American. In the remake of the film The Day the Earth Stood Still, why is James Hong, an actor born in a Cantonese area in China, speaking Mandarin? Why is every cast member living in Wakanda not black African instead of black American?

And this is coming from someone who's not necessarily against Vietnamese people playing Chinese people, or Japanese people playing Korean people, or whatever; if anything, I actually encouraging because it broadens options for actors and is advantageous not only to them, but the filmmakers themselves, so long as they put in the work to make it realistic.

But if you're trying to cater to Eastern audiences with that mentality, you're in for a rude awakening. Hence why Shang-Chi is not popular in China despite having this "come home to China" aspect to it. The actors aren't attractive for them. Awkwafina and Asian-Americans in general are ugly and not attractive in the eyes of the average Chinese person, which is also why the film The Farewell was a failure in China.

And all of this goes back to what Eric July constantly brings up: these people only see legitimacy in whiteness. You can have tons of diverse characteristics in white people, both in appearance and personality. But blacks? Asians? Hispanics? Native Americans? Just one fucking category for each. Just replace a Chinese actor with a Japanese actor and it makes no difference, right? Fuck the culture, language, dialect, etc., amirite? And she can just be the Asian warrior or the nerdy Asian girl, that's it. The black person should be a black lesbian, a fat black lesbian, a black businesswoman, a black male player, or an effeminate man. That's it; that's all you're gonna get. No complexity. No journey. No growth.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

If you want to attract Asian audiences, put in Tom Cruise or some attractive, macho white guy in it.

Hell, you can even go with attractive or powerful-looking aliens. Optimus Prime gets Hasbro massive windfalls in China, because he's a strong alpha male who the boys can look up to.

 

[AnotherOne]

That's not to mention that it's even more ironic that the guy saying "let the past die" is the jackass who was inexplicably obsessed with Darth Vader, AKA the past, and being just like him. I still don't get how he suddenly switched from being a Vader fanboy to saying "fuck the past" in about a week.

Snoke made fun of his mask

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

China sucks, but on the other hand they're the reason Hollywood hasn't fully embraced wokeness. I saw a Pierce Brosnan DVD at Walmart and everyone on the cover was white. My first thought was "This was made for China" and I was immediately proven right when I saw all the Ching Chong producers. Unfortunately the wokescolds managed to push a black chick into a movie about Louis XIV and a Chinese mermaid, but it was a good effort.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

I’ll say this about Marvel: they’re the only ones that don’t censor their own films. Shang-Chi, Eternals and Doctor Strange 2 just got banned in certain areas instead of removing the content deemed unacceptable. Star Wars, Fantastic Beasts and others just straight-up censor their own material.

China sucks, but on the other hand they're the reason Hollywood hasn't fully embraced wokeness. I saw a Pierce Brosnan DVD at Walmart and everyone on the cover was white. My first thought was "This was made for China" and I was immediately proven right when I saw all the Ching Chong producers. Unfortunately the wokescolds managed to push a black chick into a movie about Louis XIV and a Chinese mermaid, but it was a good effort.

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This film has a sad production cycle to it. It was literally in post-production for eight years and Fan Bingbing lost her popularity and career due to being involved in “tax evasion” and being shoved into a detention center for it.

Honestly, though, I think she was just outshining our Lord and Savior Xi and the Chinese government didn’t like that one bit.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

China sucks, but on the other hand they're the reason Hollywood hasn't fully embraced wokeness. I saw a Pierce Brosnan DVD at Walmart and everyone on the cover was white. My first thought was "This was made for China" and I was immediately proven right when I saw all the Ching Chong producers. Unfortunately the wokescolds managed to push a black chick into a movie about Louis XIV and a Chinese mermaid, but it was a good effort.

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I always find it so funny that outside of the "racist" West, countries prefer to see White/lighter skinned actors in roles. There are a lot of examples in just India and Turkey of this, but I'm sure shitlibs would just say "they've been brainwashed by Whitey and have internalized White supremacy" lol

This film has a sad production cycle to it. It was literally in post-production for eight years and Fan Bingbing lost her popularity and career due to being involved in “tax evasion” and being shoved into a detention center for it.

Honestly, though, I think she was just outshining our Lord and Savior Xi and the Chinese government didn’t like that one bit.

When will Xi start making movies? He can ask Kim Jon Un for pointers lol

 

[Screamer]

I was watching Moonfall recently, and Halle Berry's character, who is a divorced single mum. Is shown in her home, in the morning walking downstairs and some random chick we've never seen before hands her a coffee. My brain immediately reacted as, "cringe, they've made her a lesbian." Rolled eyes. Then my mind pauses, "no wait, this is Chinese funded so no." It's just an exchange student living with her.

It's interesting because all the forced inclusion stuff is making people like myself who aren't homophobic or racist just constantly notice and cringe at the forced inclusion stuff. Where we now just automatically assume everything is now forced. We get triggered with eye rolls expecting it when it's not there.

When Disney goes, "make those chicks make out in the background." Surely the majority of people are just eye rolling at it.

Yet when this stuff isn't needless done in that forced way, there's no issue with it. One of my favourite shows of all time is Black Sails. Never a second thought about the major gay plot. Watching Severence, the gay plotline never triggered an eye roll. It's just the forced, weird way Hollywood does it most of the time that is the issue because it's bad writing.

 

[Sneed F91]

@Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed
This makes Disney's China pandering for the movies even more baffling. They fucked up trying to get them to care about Star Wars as soon as TFA came out and simultaiously tried way too hard but not enough at all to get them interested in the franchise. Another good example is The Shitty Lion King remake. They decided to make the cast nearly all black (regardless of actual voice acting talent) because it took place in Africa, even though Africans would say that comparing them to black Americans as if they're exactly the same is insulting.

Do we really know if Tran and Ngo were cast specifically to cater to China, or just to have more Asians in Star Wars (despite there being no such thing in this universe)?

I think it was both plus Rian's fetish for Asian chicks and the need to have so called "strong female characters" who aren't strong at all.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I was watching Moonfall recently, and Halle Berry's character, who is a divorced single mum. Is shown in her home, in the morning walking downstairs and some random chick we've never seen before hands her a coffee. My brain immediately reacted as, "cringe, they've made her a lesbian." Rolled eyes. Then my mind pauses, "no wait, this is Chinese funded so no." It's just an exchange student living with her.

It's interesting because all the forced inclusion stuff is making people like myself who aren't homophobic or racist just constantly notice and cringe at the forced inclusion stuff. Where we now just automatically assume everything is now forced. We get triggered with eye rolls expecting it when it's not there.

When Disney goes, "make those chicks make out in the background." Surely the majority of people are just eye rolling at it.

Yet when this stuff isn't needless done in that forced way, there's no issue with it. One of my favourite shows of all time is Black Sails. Never a second thought about the major gay plot. Watching Severence, the gay plotline never triggered an eye roll. It's just the forced, weird way Hollywood does it most of the time that is the issue because it's bad writing.

It is simply a matter of authenticity. Specifically, the distinction between authenticity and virtue-signaling.

In an authentic story, a gay relationship can either be treated as completely normal (e.g. interesting characters who just happen to be gay without it being used as a source of internal/external conflict), or it can be used as a source of conflict (for example, pressure from external sources, or an internal struggle with one's sense of masculinity) to examine in-universe attitudes towards homosexuality as a metaphor for real life. Key to both of these approaches is the prerequisite need for good characters and story.

Virtue-signaling, on the other hand, equates "gay" with "good" - something is "good" BECAUSE it is "gay", and something that is "not gay" is inherently "bad". It demands praise and validation, yet requires only surface-level representation because all that is important to them is the fact that the character is gay and nothing else.

Good stories tend to have some sort of message that the author wants to get across, executed in a competent manner. The only message present in virtue-signaling garbage is the author is a Good Person who parrots all of the Right Opinions.

 

[King Dead]

I was watching Moonfall recently, and Halle Berry's character, who is a divorced single mum. Is shown in her home, in the morning walking downstairs and some random chick we've never seen before hands her a coffee. My brain immediately reacted as, "cringe, they've made her a lesbian." Rolled eyes. Then my mind pauses, "no wait, this is Chinese funded so no." It's just an exchange student living with her.

It's interesting because all the forced inclusion stuff is making people like myself who aren't homophobic or racist just constantly notice and cringe at the forced inclusion stuff. Where we now just automatically assume everything is now forced. We get triggered with eye rolls expecting it when it's not there.

When Disney goes, "make those chicks make out in the background." Surely the majority of people are just eye rolling at it.

Yet when this stuff isn't needless done in that forced way, there's no issue with it. One of my favourite shows of all time is Black Sails. Never a second thought about the major gay plot. Watching Severence, the gay plotline never triggered an eye roll. It's just the forced, weird way Hollywood does it most of the time that is the issue because it's bad writing.

Funny, I had literally the exact same thought when the Chinese pop star showed up for the first time, along with a simultaneous "oh this is China pandering" thought. It didn't really occur to me that the two would be contradictory at that point, my mind was just on a pandering track. Just goes to show that I'm so conditioned to how Hollywood shoves gay characters into everything that my mind jumps to it immediately whenever I see two characters of the same sex acting slightly more than friendly towards each other. As I recall, it was at least a good ten or fifteen minutes before it was confirmed she had a case of the notgays, leaving just the China pandering.

It honestly just takes me out of whatever I'm watching, these days. The movie can be good on all counts, but as soon as my pandering senses kick in, my mind snaps out of the immersion and I'm back in reality. That's never the case when it isn't pandering, though; for a recent example, there's a lesbian couple in Everything Everywhere All at Once, but that relationship factors into the plot and how the characters feel about each other, so it didn't feel hamfisted or out of place and didn't break my immersion.

I just want movies that care more about telling a good story than ticking off diversity boxes. Luckily, there's whole decades of entertainment to watch from before diversity was Hollywood's main driver, so I'll never run out of good stuff.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Funny, I had literally the exact same thought when the Chinese pop star showed up for the first time, along with a simultaneous "oh this is China pandering" thought. It didn't really occur to me that the two would be contradictory at that point, my mind was just on a pandering track. Just goes to show that I'm so conditioned to how Hollywood shoves gay characters into everything that my mind jumps to it immediately whenever I see two characters of the same sex acting slightly more than friendly towards each other. As I recall, it was at least a good ten or fifteen minutes before it was confirmed she had a case of the notgays, leaving just the China pandering.

It honestly just takes me out of whatever I'm watching, these days. The movie can be good on all counts, but as soon as my pandering senses kick in, my mind snaps out of the immersion and I'm back in reality. That's never the case when it isn't pandering, though; for a recent example, there's a lesbian couple in Everything Everywhere All at Once, but that relationship factors into the plot and how the characters feel about each other, so it didn't feel hamfisted or out of place and didn't break my immersion.

I just want movies that care more about telling a good story than ticking off diversity boxes. Luckily, there's whole decades of entertainment to watch from before diversity was Hollywood's main driver, so I'll never run out of good stuff.

The worst Chinese pandering I’ve personally seen is in The Martian, where Matt Damon is only saved by the Chinese space agency sending a supply ship out of the goodness of their hearts even though they really didn’t have to. I almost turned off the movie after that.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

The worst Chinese pandering I’ve personally seen is in The Martian, where Matt Damon is only saved by the Chinese space agency sending a supply ship out of the goodness of their hearts even though they really didn’t have to. I almost turned off the movie after that.

wasn't that in the book? also considering they changed the asian nasa guy into a nigger it might have been a way of saying sorry for that.

Hot take: If you see her in Vietnamese attire or other dresses, she doesn’t look bad, but in TLJ she looked like some chubby fan girl that really doesn’t belong anywhere near Star Wars.

its too bad they didn't keep that in and that Poe wasn't the one with the casino subplot. a big titty asian with her white catholic man with a smokers voice, having fun in a casino would have been great for our memes this month.

 

[Ghostse]

wasn't that in the book? also considering they changed the asian nasa guy into a nigger it might have been a way of saying sorry for that.

It was, but it was much, much more muted. I don't even believe any chinese show up in the book, and there is definitely no super state secret rocket that the chinese director gives up out of the goodness of his heart to save the poor, cucked americans.

IIRC The US knew the chinese were decades from getting to mars so they negotiated a deal where they'd put a chinese astronaut into the one of the next Mars groups (getting a chinaman on the moon long before they'd otherwise get one) and china wanted data on the big looper craft (to 'help with the intercept' - aka to steal as much information as they could for their own project) and it was approved because they were already out of date and new vehicles being designed.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Nicolas Cage praised Hayden’s acting in the prequels.

 

[Sneed F91]

I think the only successful Chinese pandering Star Wars has ever had was putting Donnie Yen in Rouge One. He was totally wasted (like the rest of the cast in that dumb movie) and I can't say for sure if his inclusion really helped the movie out but it didn't hurt it the same way Kennedyfilm's other decisions did and he's still a major star over there thanks to his martial arts movies.

If a large part of the fanbase weren't boomer OT purists who hate choreographed fight scenes in Star Wars, I think brining in choreographers from Hong Kong to inject some energy into the lightsaber duels might have been interesting.

"uhh Hayden Christensen is a bad acto-"

Nicolas Cage praised Hayden’s acting in the prequels.

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[Ghostse]

I think the only successful Chinese pandering Star Wars has ever had was putting Donnie Yen in Rouge One. He was totally wasted (like the rest of the cast in that dumb movie) and I can't say for sure if his inclusion really helped the movie out but it didn't hurt it the same way Kennedyfilm's other decisions did and he's still a major star over there thanks to his martial arts movies.
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If a large part of the fanbase weren't boomer OT purists who hate choreographed fight scenes in Star Wars, I think brining in choreographers from Hong Kong to inject some energy into the lightsaber duels might have been interesting.

"uhh Hayden Christensen is a bad acto-"

Only problem with Donnie Yen was the character concept as some non-jedi force priest was utterly fucking retarded. Like this weird Jedi fluffer, it made zero sense like the whole Jedda shit. And proxy to that:
We already had:
Jan's Daddy Issues.
Super Amoral Spy Guy
Imperial Pilot
Murder Bot
Evil Imperial Guy
This is a very crowded movie. Then we try to add two more characters for us to get enough background to give a shit about.

Otherwise, a blind priest and his handler were ok and I didn't hate them, giant "There is no precedent for this shit anywhere" plothole excepting.