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Funny for you to bring up Iran and CIA coups. I bet they have operatives here even now, ready to do the job if current Iranian government slips. Or is your point that USA is so incompetent in XXI century that it can't preform a covert operation in a state with preexsisting base of support(in form of pro-EU movement) that is bordering their client states? I sure hope so, but Nuland phone call suggest to me that there was some kind of interference on US side. I guess we will know for sure in 2074, if US is still standing.I understand the analogy falls apart as we're dealing with second-rate powers here, but I really wanted to hammer home that the situation wasn't as nefarious as many make it out to be - sometimes, shit just happens. Had the 2014 protests happened somewhere else, the guy would stay in power, the EU would have thrown a fit and sanctioned them, we still wouldn't know the identity of the snipers but rest assured their secret services would have shown photos of a raid on apartment with The Sims jewel cases next to sniper rifles that had NATO stickers on them. But because Ukraine is Ukraine the situation snowballed even if no external pressure were applied. We're applying a "long march approach" to events that initially had nothing to do with NATO moving the chess pieces closer to Russia, even though they may look like that was the plan all along. The US can't conduct regime change in Iran, Venezuela, etc but Ukraine runs like a textbook op? Do CIA tricks only work on white skinned people?
The Donbass conflict is portrayed as a security risk for Russia, like a mess they can't just ignore so they had to act - but it just looks advantageous. The ongoing conflict still brings the same benefits as occupation without actually comitting to it, it serves as a buffer around the Azov sea and makes the region too unstable for investors to want to start exploiting the natural resources.
You can prescribe economic reasons to this or any other war in history, still that does not invalidate other reasons. It sure is nice to have whole Ukrainian coast, but Russian government proposed peace deal day one that, if signed, would proclaim DNR/LNR as sovereign nations, Crimea would be proclaimed part of Russia, Ukraine stays out of NATO (believe there was nothing about disallowing Ukraine join the EU, so they could have done this after the war was over, though EU would probably cockblock them for 1000 years, as they do with Turkey,), probably something about not blocking water to Crimea and that's it. Would leave them with access to Azov sea, would leave them with Kherson. They did not signed it and continue to resist (which is their right, i do not say they should have signed the deal). The more Russia have to spend on this conflict, the more it will take, simple as.
I don't even going to go into 8 prewar years when big boys of EU and Russia tried to cook up some form of agreement to de escalate this whole mess simply because those agreements did not work in the end.