Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

I went to the Palladium Open House recently and pretty much all the games I played (All Rifts) were run by ex-military guys, and they were all bog-standard, "tanks, machine guns, and demons" kind of games with little real variety.

I picked Palladium because it was the only major games company I knew of that seemed to have managed to avoid the Wokepocalypse that has ruined so much else in the tabletop gaming space, so I guess I got what I "wanted".

Is this what we have to pick from as gamers? Either we have weirdo faggots inserting their mental issues into everything, or we have just boring stories about space marines shooting demons?

Part of it is the game and *when* it takes place.

In Rifts, they've really leaned in on the World War Rifts for quite a while. Since Rifts can be math heavy, it seems to attract spergs like me. Plus, it's big guns, military hardware everywhere, and big bad governments.

If it was everyone doing the Tolkeen War, then yeah, it's gonna be tanks, artillery, and demons.

Rifts comes down to who has the biggest gun and the most MDC.

But to be honest, you can run a hell of a game in Rifts even away from the Tolkeen War and the other stuff.

Be the change you want to be, my friend.

 

[Snekposter]

Part of it is the game and *when* it takes place.

In Rifts, they've really leaned in on the World War Rifts for quite a while. Since Rifts can be math heavy, it seems to attract spergs like me. Plus, it's big guns, military hardware everywhere, and big bad governments.

If it was everyone doing the Tolkeen War, then yeah, it's gonna be tanks, artillery, and demons.

Rifts comes down to who has the biggest gun and the most MDC.

But to be honest, you can run a hell of a game in Rifts even away from the Tolkeen War and the other stuff.

Be the change you want to be, my friend.

Isn't the Wild West a thing again in Rifts? I know Texas is you know, Texas, same as ever, and players could always have some fun chasing down vampire bandidos there or further West.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

Well, I can finally say that I’ve fought a “treasure golem” in D&D now. It was a pretty interesting concept. We killed an ancient white dragon only to find out that it’s treasure hoard had been imbued with a sort of sentience and desire to protect itself and expand the hoard by steal magic objects and valuables. Basically each piece of the hoard makes up the larger amorphous “treasure golem” that acts as a singular creature.

Before we killed it, it had managed to knock out our Bard and Wizard and steal their magical mandolin and spellbook respectively. It very nearly turned into a TPK.

 

[PaladinBoo]

This isn't dialing back the woke shit. This is them trying to "Hello fellow children boomers" hoping to snag some mindless 'well my table just ignores that part' consoomers but really they are trying to give the Woke Posers that have infested the table top space the clout they desperately chase.

Various levels of wokeshit does sell, sadly. Especially when there is no alternative. And they can wait for the frog to boil. I mean, even 20 years ago having an open tranny attached to your media, let alone talking about how you need to kowtow to the mentally ill, would have killed you. Now it barely gets any push back, and tons of praise for being brave.

tl;dr they aren't trying to win you back. They've just stopped beating you as much.




Pretty much. Ever since the cluster fuck that was the 2007 WGA strike, big media has learned that if you insert queers, your story can be shit and it'll still make 80% of the money of something that was good but you had to put in 50% of the effort, so its a win. You hire a bunch of retarded college grads, put them on salary so you 100% own everything they create (lol cuck wendig), and convince them they are making a difference so they never renegotiate. And because the company owns the creative output outright, when they're done with their writers they ball them up, toss them away, and recruit the next round of retarded graduates too dumb to realize they're being exploited.

I don't know man. Look at what is happening to Netflix and Warner right now. They both lived by the Woke and now are dying by the Woke. The reason Woke shit sold well a few years ago is because the economy was one of the best ever for companies. People had all sorts of money to throw away at shit. Even if it was Woke people didn't care as they had enough disposable income to spend on another product or hope the next product will be better. They don't have that luxury anymore. I think companies are realizing that Woke, childless, hipster, gender blob Millennials are not a market that provide financial stability. Not to mention the pendulum is swinging back hard in the direction that they don't want it too. So right now it is sink or swim.
I personally think we will see a dialing back of Woke shit. It will be small at first but eventually they will silently walk the Woke politics back. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the employees who are activists will be kicking and screaming throughout this process but they will be replaced with a less vocal employee who knows to keep their mouth shut. In the end, greed always wins.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

I don't know man. Look at what is happening to Netflix and Warner right now. They both lived by the Woke and now are dying by the Woke. The reason Woke shit sold well a few years ago is because the economy was one of the best ever for companies. People had all sorts of money to throw away at shit. Even if it was Woke people didn't care as they had enough disposable income to spend on another product or hope the next product will be better. They don't have that luxury anymore. I think companies are realizing that Woke, childless, hipster, gender blob Millennials are not a market that provide financial stability. Not to mention the pendulum is swinging back hard in the direction that they don't want it too. So right now it is sink or swim.
I personally think we will see a dialing back of Woke shit. It will be small at first but eventually they will silently walk the Woke politics back. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the employees who are activists will be kicking and screaming throughout this process but they will be replaced with a less vocal employee who knows to keep their mouth shut. In the end, greed always wins.

This isn't the first time D&D has made minor changes because assholes were screeching about something either. 2nd edition didn't mention demons and devils which is where Tana'ri and Baatezu come from, the whole satanic panic thing. I'm sure people back in the day ignored a lot of that and just called them what they were because at the end of the day a company can't tell me how to run a tabletop game, just like how I can have slavery in my Pathfinder game.

The drow deny this fact though.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Ain't arguing results, just motive.

Money is the only true God. When the fags and troons quit being profitable, the pandering will stop.

The comic book industry says hi.

 

[Adamska]

Entertainment currently treats money as a spook and ignore being in the red until they are actually forced into bankruptcy. I think you'd need to see a studio collapse 2 to force these idiots to stop.

 

[Wormy]

The comic book industry says hi.

And I say "Hi, you're about to learn why profits don't give a shit about your virtue signalling. Repent before it's too late."

Entertainment currently treats money as a spook and ignore being in the red until they are actually forced into bankruptcy. I think you'd need to see a studio collapse 2 to force these idiots to stop.

Never said that everyone repents at the same rate.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

Entertainment currently treats money as a spook and ignore being in the red until they are actually forced into bankruptcy. I think you'd need to see a studio collapse 2 to force these idiots to stop.

It's also important to note that Wizards of the Coast is not it's own company, it's owned by Hasbro. D&D isn't their flagship product either, it's Magic the Gathering which might as well be them printing their own money. They can just operate D&D at a loss if they need to just to make sure Hasbro doesn't get canceled which might force them to ditch the IP.

I'm also not convinced they're losing any money at all. People can be upset about them shitting on lore all they want but I'm pretty sure 5e and the books they sell has been more profitable than any other edition aside from maybe when TSR was in it's hay day. I think they're doing fine.

Speaking of TSR in its hay day, they were absolutely retarded with the kind of shit they tried to pull. There was an instance where they tried to buy a train and a rail line so people could play D&D while riding on the train. People who manage role playing games tend not to have the best business acumen.

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't think wokeshit is really going to hurt D&D that much because the player base skews, in my experience, toward socially maladjusted lefty weirdos. There are as many troons in a typical game shop event as there are in most smaller cities.

 

[PaladinBoo]

I don't think wokeshit is really going to hurt D&D that much because the player base skews, in my experience, toward socially maladjusted lefty weirdos. There are as many troons in a typical game shop event as there are in most smaller cities.

I don't know. A lot of people are getting sick of troons. Mainly because most toons are women hating, child grooming, incels. One of the big reason I haven't played D&D in a while is because of troons. They get really creepy towards true and honest women and constantly insert their fetish into the campaigns when women are involved. You will also hear this story a lot from other female players. When you try to have women only campaigns the troon cries to the hosting site owner and admins over being exclude and force their way into our space like the fucking sex predator they are.

Edit: Spelling

 

[Gingervitis]

Mainly because most toons are women hating child groomers incels.

Your misspelling describes them perfectly

 

[PaladinBoo]

Your misspelling describes them perfectly

It is just so annoying. I am one of those few actual genuine female geeks since I was a kid and, despite what Anita believes, I never received any trouble from normal men. It has always been from troons. The moment a troon sniffs out a real women in a video game, TTRPG or comic shop they are on her like flies on shit. Mainly because, as our Dear Feeder has shown in his MATI livestreams, troons want a dommy mommy who is interested in the same nerd shit as them and will have lesbian sex with them. Problem is that this woman is rare so when one comes along they can not help themselves. And while it isn't okay for a normal man to sexually harass a woman in a MMO it is a-okay for a troon to sexually harass a woman. It has gotten to the point that I have turned voice chat off and only play as a male character.

 

[Wormy]

I don't know. A lot of people are getting sick of troons. Mainly because most toons are women hating, child grooming, incels. One of the big reason I haven't played D&D in a while is because of troons. They get really creepy towards true and honest women and constantly insert their fetish into the campaigns when women are involved. You will also hear this story a lot from other female players. When you try to have women only campaigns the troon cries to the hosting site owner and admins over being exclude and force their way into our space like the fucking sex predator they are.

Edit: Spelling

You really need some in-person groups. Security is far easier to maintain.

I'm also not convinced they're losing any money at all. People can be upset about them shitting on lore all they want but I'm pretty sure 5e and the books they sell has been more profitable than any other edition aside from maybe when TSR was in it's hay day. I think they're doing fine.

God has spoken then *shrug* and they're lost to us. You're not going to convince a for-profit company to give up money.

 

[Argrabius]

You can use random tables and the what not, but then the results are that: random. The King was a changling this whole time? And because Changling Bullshit no way to know until this exact moment?

There is something funny about that though. When I make campaigns I do a 1/1000 roll for each human character, if they pass depending on a d20 roll they are secretly a changling, silver dragon or firbulg or some other disguised/transformed creature. My players found out about this when a bandit was stabbed with a dragonbane sword and the party went on a sidequest to fulfill the last wishes of a silver dragon.

 

[Mega Black]

I personally think we will see a dialing back of Woke shit. It will be small at first but eventually they will silently walk the Woke politics back. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the employees who are activists will be kicking and screaming throughout this process but they will be replaced with a less vocal employee who knows to keep their mouth shut. In the end, greed always wins.

I hope this happens but I'm just too bitter to think it will be the case. Most of the people involved in the slow spread of 'wokism' have dug their heels in and are pretty much impossible to move out without taking the whole business out back and putting both barrels through its skull. Which, mind you, I could totally live with. I think the entertainment sphere could use a good culling.

Right now the thing that worries me most is apathy to wokism. It's been getting a little more subtle but it's still very present in most works, nowadays the narrative has shifted from 'what are you, a bigot?' to 'omg, who cares?' and I feel like that's a slightly more sinister tactic. Everyone reacts aggressively to being namecalled, almost everyone shirks in fear of looking petty and like they care too much about shit that doesn't matter. We'll see, I guess.

God has spoken then *shrug* and they're lost to us. You're not going to convince a for-profit company to give up money.

Feels to me like 5E was doing really well before the full woke train started, thanks to Critical Role and shit, which was in itself not all that PC until pretty deep into Campaign 2. They haven't gone full blown World of Darkness yet so most of the new books coming out are... okay, with only small elements of gay and troon faggotry sneaking in. The real test will be to see what happens in the next couple of years.

 

[The Ugly One]

5e is going woke because the woke faggot who is the main author of the rules, Jeremy Crawford, has sidelined Mike Mearls, who was relatively normal, and hired on a gaggle of increasingly belligerent woke dangerhairs to work on things. People get away with this when the product is already successful.

Nobody did serious market analysis and found there were millions of dollars left on the table because there wasn't enough sodomy in the game. Going woke plays to the biases of the kinds of halfwitted liberals who run corporations these days, and if going woke causes the product to fail, the odds are pretty good that anything and everything except the new buttsex-centric direction of the material will be blamed. If they do a market survey, they will make sure not to make that an option, e.g.

What don't you like about D&D content?
__ The adventure content is boring
__ I don't feel adequately represented
__ There is still too much cultural appropriation
__ Marginalized voices aren't being heard
__ ...etc

They won't allow themselves to know that you got tired of fags and troons being shoved in your face with every product.

 

[Ghostse]

I always find it so funny that outside of the "racist" West, countries prefer to see White/lighter skinned actors in roles. There are a lot of examples in just India and Turkey of this, but I'm sure shitlibs would just say "they've been brainwashed by Whitey and have internalized White supremacy" lol

My friend's ex almost got into a fist fight at a party because someone called her Korean. She is 2nd generation Chinese, as in never been to china. As she was being held back, she yelled at the person "I'M NOT NO DOG EATER, BITCH!".
Ain't no one as racist as a chinaman's racist.

I personally think we will see a dialing back of Woke shit. It will be small at first but eventually they will silently walk the Woke politics back. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the employees who are activists will be kicking and screaming throughout this process but they will be replaced with a less vocal employee who knows to keep their mouth shut. In the end, greed always wins.

I really don't see it. There is too much investment in the narrative. There is also too much money to be made burying the past as "Racist and sexist" to sell cheap knock-offs that the corporations own.

Netflix has also been doing dumbshit for a long time, schizophrenically greenlighting and then canceling series so I wouldnt' use them as any sort of barometer.

I hope this happens but I'm just too bitter to think it will be the case. Most of the people involved in the slow spread of 'wokism' have dug their heels in and are pretty much impossible to move out without taking the whole business out back and putting both barrels through its skull. Which, mind you, I could totally live with. I think the entertainment sphere could use a good culling.

We're being told that men in dresses are identical to women. Nike has a man in a woman's volleyball uniform playing against women in a commerical about empowered female atheletes and their contribution to female empowerment and overcoming obstacles is "being a man and defeating women" (competing as a transwoman). Or that One raped a highschool girl, got it covered up and the victim's parent's threatened to silence so they could bury it, move the tranny to a new school where it raped ANOTHER girl and the administration tried to threaten that girl's parents, that is part and parcel of living in a society.
They are trying levels of Newspeak double thing that would make Orwell decide that Franco had been right all along.

As for why this continues, let me remind everyone:
A dick inversion runs about $30-50K. Having a surgeon to peel back your face to shave your skull and make yoru larynx just slightly less prominent is 20K. This is to say nothing of the hormones they need to take for their entire lives since they have burned out their endocrine systme, and retarded levels of female artifacts troons buy to say they are real women.
So if you give the average tranny $100,000 they would burn through it in about 2 months to cut off their own dick, mess up their face, and generally become a frankenstein parody of humanity.

What I'm saying is that forward thinking or intelligence* is not a tranny's strong suite. They are easily manipulated and parted with funds. They are the ripest, juiciest paypigs with zero standards beyond "pats my ass and plays along with my delusions no matter how outlandish". So of course corporations love them.

*unless they are a rapist, in which case they have made the objectively smartest move possible trooning out.

 

[Brain Problems]

People get away with this when the product is already successful.

I think this is the key sentence here. Without doing a single ounce of research outside of first-hand knowledge/experience I think you generally cannot force this shit into a product that hasn't already achieved close to terminal velocity like Magic, D&D etc. have already done. Once it's popular you get the parasites slinking in pulling the woke mafia shit and danger haired HR and out of touch managers hiring people to make their products "more diverse and accessible" and it just spirals from there.

It works for and against tabletop games like D&D that the systems they employ allow me to simply laugh at their pathetic attempts to meta rule my behaviour outside the game and eliminate racial traits, throw fags everywhere, and try to sand off any potential sharp edges that might make some troon on twitter sperg out. On the other hand, if you sand things down enough you eventually end up with people that don't know what the original product looked like or was intended to be used as, resulting in a bland, ugly, CR knock-offs.

I think the main thing is to just not give them any money under any circumstances. If you have to have physical copies, get them used.

 

[Argrabius]

Thankfully D&D is a tabletop game and they can never stop us from playing in a way that we enjoy. Still feel a bit sorry for newcomers who legitimately want to experience the true spirit of the game. the best they can do is join a older group but the fear of potentially giving a invitation to someone who very well might be into this new D&D and ruin things would likely make it difficult to find someone to let you in.

Also I own a lot of the books on D&D beyond for easy character sheet management for my group so let’s hope they don’t decide that these books are hateful and wrong and remove/ change shit.