Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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We'll see I suppose. I've not been wrong yet.
You've talked about 67 different counterattacks to retake Kherson that never materialised, among a bunch of other counterattacks that also didn't materialise. You also said 7432 russian divisions got completely destroyed in a gigaoffensive maneuver, during that retreat from the Chernigov-Sumy front, when all that happened was that ukies took some potshots at the troops leaving. You also made a schizo post about how this meant Ukraine is ready to successfully invade Belarus and Russia.

Most importantly, you asked the rhetorical question "Did Theodore Roosevelt win great victories against the Nazis?".
 
You've talked about 67 different counterattacks to retake Kherson that never materialised, among a bunch of other counterattacks that also didn't materialise. You also said 7432 russian divisions got completely destroyed in a gigaoffensive maneuver, during that retreat from the Chernigov-Sumy front, when all that happened was that ukies took some potshots at the troops leaving. You also made a schizo post about how this meant Ukraine is ready to successfully invade Belarus and Russia.

Most importantly, you asked the rhetorical question "Did Theodore Roosevelt win great victories against the Nazis?".
The kherson offensive has been on going since I pointed it out three weeks ago. The Russian line has been consistently moving in the opposite directions since then. But what's 200 Kilometers really? I mean yes, I suppose losing 200 Kilometers doesn't mean losing the city. So ya got me. No Kherson offensive. Just a whole bunch of land around Kherson. Should have been more specific, so I was wrong.

And of course I meant Franklin Roosevelt but good own. You got me. Good for you! Go forth knowing you are much smarter then me. You deserve it bro. Pour yourself a drink, slam it back, and say that unlike me, you know the difference between TDR and FDR.
 
The kherson offensive has been on going since I pointed it out three weeks ago. The Russian line has been consistently moving in the opposite directions since then.

And of course I meant Franklin Roosevelt but good own. You got me. Good for you! Go forth knowing you are much smarter then me. You deserve it bro.
Oh you, the old strat of "make the same prediction always, the one time it comes to pass means you were always right".

Chill bro, Teddy typo was funny, no need to get all seething about it.
 
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That fucking threat to humanity, Putin and his Russia will collapse inshallah.
 
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Oh you, the old strat of "make the same prediction always, the one time it comes to pass means you were always right".
The Russian retreat from Mykolaiv has been pretty consistent since I pointed it out. I am not sure what you mean by "making the same prediction" when all I have been doing was pointing out something that has been happened consistently this entire time.

Chill bro, Teddy typo was funny, no need to get all seething about it.
Using a typo to undermine an overall argument is a pretty lame debate tactic bro.
 
I'm about to make some people mad. Sorry!

Analysis of the strategic situation for Russia's Donbass offensive. Shits fucked bro. Its really fucking fucked.
This may be the most stupid post I've read on this thread in a while. It shows not only a complete lack of understanding of military operations, but also a complete lack of understanding of the current situation on the ground. Normally I wouldn't give a fuck, but you're being smug about something you've just made a really retarded and incorrect analysis of, so here goes;

The offensive on Kharkiv is in full collapse
I don't think you understand what "full collapse" or even what "offensive" means. The Russians were indeed advancing as convenient on the Kharkiv front; it would be stupid not to do so, since keeping your opponent's troops busy doing things that aren't important to the war is very important, and half of any given conflict. But was there any "Kharkiv offensive" as there is a Donbass offensive? Not really.

I'd compare it readily to the offensive on Krivoy Rog, which most closely resembles it, with a lot of fluidity in the capturing and losing of villages and small cities, and very little in the way of pitched battles or large confrontations. Anyway, as I said, there has been no reported heavy fighting in Kharkiv; the Russians readily withdraw and give very little fight in the face of UAF counter-offensive for a very simple reason, that being that the UAF leaving Kharkiv to conduct counter offensives won't bother the Russians, because as we all know, urban fighting is much harder than just shelling whatever tiny village or forests the enemy is using for cover and as a base of operations, which is exactly what happened.

Now, this does have a limit; the Russians aren't going to be pushed back to their border. Wanna know what happened to the last Ukrainian attack on Cossack Lopan, the last large-ish city near the Russian border? Well, this happened. There were also a bunch of other pictures of dead UAF personnel, but Russian servicemen can't have phones and there is no Chechen or separatist presence, so footage from that area is very limited. You get the drift - the attack failed, and the UAF took heavy losses.

From this we can gather that "the Kharkiv offensive" (which isn't actually a thing, really, there's barely to no active attempts to attack the city or its surroundings), while it isn't going exceptionally well for the Russians, also isn't going poorly.

The forces attempting to do the pinning operation have been in consistent combat for the last two months and the Russian units around the city have finally hit their breaking point
What pinning operation? What consistent combat, given that many of the units there were rested, refitted and redeployed to Kharkiv from Kiev, weeks ago, and they can easily withdraw through the border for unit rotation? No pinning operation has been in progress from what we can gather. There is no attempted surrounding of Kharkiv; that would require far more troops than the Russians have, what you see happening around Kharkiv are skirmishes, at most. There's a reason the media isn't buzzing about the Battle of Cossack Lopan or whatever - it's not an especially active front and has never been regarded as such by sources from either side.

indicating the possiblility of a complete collapse of the Northeastern front.
You do not understand what "a complete collapse" is in military terms - we have not witnessed one in this war yet from either side. We've seen major losses that doomed a city (Volnovakha), we've seen organized retreats/withdrawals (Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv), we've seen failures to capture cities (Vosnesensk) and we've seen troops being slowly ground away until they can no longer resist (Izyum) but I've yet to see proof of "complete collapse" (other than in rhetoric and exaggerated terms in internet discussion, of course) in this war.

Mariople still has not fallen, which is keeping a huge number of Russian soldiers pinned down to lay siege to the Azovstahl plant
This is verifiably wrong; Mariupol fell weeks ago because no, 2,000 people trapped in a steel plant with nowhere to go, slowly rotting from infected wounds, with nothing to eat or drink and a dwindling supply of ammunition isn't resisting anymore than the Battle of Castle Itter was the German Army resisting defeat in WW2. The battle of Mariupol is over, and it has been for a while now. What we will see now is tiny skirmishes, tiny breakout attempts, and eventually, mass surrender in the face of starvation.

For your second point, the vast majority of Russian soldiers have already been removed from the city, and likewise for the separatists, for example, the DPR's Somalia battalion, probably their best and most experienced fighters next to the Sparta battalion, left a week or so ago for Adviivka, where they are already engaged in active fighting. If you have any proof of uber-elite Russian and separatist divisions stationed in Mariupol still, I'd like to see it.


This compromised the assault towards Dnipro, and the Russian forces pushing in that direction have fallen back.
This is completely wrong and unfounded, especially considering the separatists captured the villages of Rivnopil, Makarivka, and two others I can't remember in the same direction, reaching the outskirts of Velyka Novosilka and we get daily reports of heavy clashes in the direction of Huliapole and Orikhiv, as well as Vuhledar. There have been no credible, or even really any, reports of the Russian troops falling back. We've been seeing many probing attacks and as always, tons of artillery usage. There has been little change in the fighting in that front in the last few days.

In Kherson, Russian forces have been steadily pushed back almost 200 kilometers from their largest advance point near the city of Mykolaiv
This was true about a week and a half to two weeks ago, but has since been wrong. Just a week or so ago, according to Ukrainian forces, the Russians had them surrounded in Olesandridvka, where they had to stage a breakout under the cover of artillery fire, in which they took quite some losses by their own admission, and the last reports I've seen say that the AFU has been pushed back to near Mykolaiv, and their operations and counter-attacks in the Kherson Oblast and Krivoy Rog have been, essentially, stopped.

Notice the complete lack of news from the Ukrainian side coming out from there in the last week, other than the breakout I described.

Reports are that all power and communications to the city have been severed
Where are you seeing this? Because the reports I'm seeing are of internet blackouts; and they aren't the first I've seen from that area of Ukraine recently. There is no possibility of an attack on Kherson. It is, essentially, impossible to retake, unless the AFU commits tens of thousands to the city alone, and even then they would expect heavy losses, and have to conduct their own giant bombing campaigns on their own civilians, which would win them no friends both in Ukraine and in the international community in general. It's nothing more than a pipe dream and has been since the start of this war. Kherson is gone. It is physically impossible to retake as long as the Russians want to keep it, which they seem fully intent on doing. It would take a complete miracle collapse of the Russian military to even give Ukraine a chance in hell of attacking it.

The only portion of this offensive that has achieved anything has been to thrust towards Izium
There is no "thrust towards Izyum". Izyum has been taken for an entire month at this point. Russian troops have, if anything, been successfully pushing out of Izyum in the past few weeks, both in the direction of Kharkiv (not to attack the city, but to give them more breathing room and stop counter offensives and harassment of Russian units there before they begin) and in the direction of Sloviansk, where we know for sure that the fighting has been heavy and the Russians have been slowly but steadily advancing in all directions, and has been confirmed, surrounded at least 1,000 UA servicemen in Oskil.

Russian forces in this town are quite literally out on a limb and may have to pull back soon in order to stiffen the northern front. Or risk being encircled if Russian forces in the north completely collapse.
So I've already explained why "stiffening the Northern front" is a stupid and unnecessary idea, because the troops in Izyum are in no risk of anything, but to even suggest that the Russian forced there may be encircled when they're the ones attacking and encircling the UA troops in the Donbas, is absolutely and completely delusional. It shows a complete disconnect between reality and your post.

I don't think you quite understand the amount of men, tanks, IFVs and APCs that Russia has in and near Izyum right now, but I will tell you that it numbers in the tens of thousands, with air support and a giant superiority in artillery, as well as a SAM umbrella that would be very hard to penetrate (which is why the Ukrainians have been throwing Tochkas at it and mostly failing). The Ukrainians very simply have no way of currently encircling anything in Izyum; they lack all the necessary prerequisites to do so.

Understand now that war is fluid, and information changes daily and obviously may always be wrong or biased, but as of this moment, nothing causes me to believe that I have said anything untrue or that cannot be proven or deduced from observation in this post.

PS; I noticed also that you neglected to mention the taking of Kremmina and Zarichne, which, as I had theorized, sealed the deal on anyone still attempting to resist Russian encroachment on the Donbas coming from Izyum, as well as the fighting happening in the direction of Liman, which currently seems to be one of the most active fronts in the entire offensive. Also of note are the reports coming in from Rubizhne that say that Ukrainian resistance is currently small and limited to the "industrial zone of the city", and that the Chechens began basement-clearing operations a few days ago. If this taking of Rubizhne is in fact true, and not faulty reports, then it's a big step in the fighting in the Donbas.

Also of note are the reports we've been getting for the last couple of weeks of a possible UA retreat behind the Seversky Donets, but I am not yet convinced that it is true or that the UAF would be willing to give up Severodonetsk that easily.
 
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>"A tyrant has invaded a peaceful and democratic nation against all logic and morality"
Westoids don't actually think Ukraine is democratic, do they?

Here's some sperging in his comments:
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Youtuber "Real Engineering" with some western propaganda in the intro


>"A tyrant has invaded a peaceful and democratic nation against all logic and morality"
Westoids don't actually think Ukraine is democratic, do they?

Here's some sperging in his comments:
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dude is based and westpilled. I support the current Ukraine.
 
Am still subject to recall myself, most unlikely due to age/health. However, could still do the last military job, as an associate dean of a language school at the Defense Language Institute. White-collar-type job, not physical.

In the old days they would have made you very very sorry then you'd go do what they told you anyway after but these days who knows you could probably get away with it especially if you cried to the press
I mean I love America and would fight and die for it, but fighting in the Ukraine isn't that
 
The Russian retreat from Mykolaiv has been pretty consistent since I pointed it out. I am not sure what you mean by "making the same prediction" when all I have been doing was pointing out something that has been happened consistently this entire time.
No, you talked about counterattacks, at times when nothing actually transpired. That has been pretty consistent.
Using a typo to undermine an overall argument is a pretty lame debate tactic bro.
It was a mildly comedic punchline you pillock. I literally called the least relevant, minor but slightly funny mistype, your "most important" error. C'est le funny.
 
@Givi i base my opinions off of maps, and the simple truth is the glorious Russian victories on the Khersom and Kharkiv front have been moving towards and away from both city centers respectively, for the last month. Is Ukraine losing soldiers? yes. Is Ukraine losing soldiers in towns further and further away from Russian offensive objectives? Also yes. Has Russia advanced into ANY portion of the pre-2014 Donbass front other Izium? No.

So we can argue over videos and overall statements all we want. I am looking at the map, and the Map says Russia has failed to take any major objective and is losing ground. We can write entire paragraphs to try and explain why or why not this is true, but at the end of the day the map does not lie.
 
Russia would have needed to do a complete revamp from both it's government and it's military from top to bottom to join NATO even if it and NATO were open to the idea of Russia being in NATO.

Plus, NATO had legitimate reasons to distrust Russia even before 2014, with the Second Chechnian war and War in Georgia being land grabs, then 2014 had them do another blatant land grab with Crimea, it's why I think this war wasn't about Ukraine neutrality or just Donbass, but annexing more of Ukraine or putting it so firmly under it's sphere of influence to the point it's just an extension of Russia that will eventually be annexed like Belarus currently is.
So how come they let in very "peaceful and democratic" nations that had no intention to revamp either into NATO like Turkey (Same tier as Nepal and Pakistan) and Portugal (founding member; Post WW2 was a Facisct state until the 70s). The notion that they had to submit to NATOs "standard" is completely idiotic considering how inconsistent they were with letting in countries that had questionable governmental practices. It's blatantly obvious that NATO is and always was, an anti-Russian alliance.

Yelstein immediately after the collapse and Putin in his first term asked, and there would have been no logical reason to not accept Russia in its dilapidated, but valuable state. The intelligent consensus is that the exceedingly profitable US war machine would not have an adversary to justify increased spending and Russia would want coexist with the US in the alliance instead of being its dependent, The former being unequivocally true.
 
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I base my opinions off of maps, and the simple truth is the glorious Russian victories on the Kherson and Kharkiv front have been moving away from both city centers for the last month. Is Ukraine losing soldiers? yes. Is Ukraine losing soldiers in towns further and further away from Russian offensive objectives? Also yes. Has Russia advanced into ANY portion of the pre-2014 Donbass front other Izium? No.
Basing your opinions off maps, which I presume you mean to say the official MOD maps of several countries and or LiveUAMaps/ISW only will invariably lead to getting a skewed perspective of the fighting going on. These are all incredibly conservative in giving the Russians any ground for obvious reasons (ISW took two weeks to give the Russians the Mariupol port after we got pics of the DPR strolling around in it).

Has Russia advanced into ANY portion of the pre-2014 Donbass front other Izium? No.
Well this is not true.

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This was the situation in the Donbas in September 2014. The separatists never held anything relevant West of Mariupol IIRC; nor did they hold anything west of Kramatorsk for very long, and obviously, never held anything anywhere near Kharkiv.

Currently, the Russians hold Kherson, everything west and southwest of Mariupol leading up to it, Mariupol itself, everything south of Mariupol up to Velyka Novosilka, Vuhledar and Huliaipole, a big chunk of Zaporizhia, as well as most parts of the Luhansk Oblast; which the separatists either always had a very tenuous hold of, or never even got to enter. This is of course, not mentioning Izyum and its surroundings, which you already did.

The two situations are also hardly comparable in any case, since both the separatists and Ukrainians are completely different Armed Forces by now, both sides are far more professional, better equipped and more willing to wage war than ever, as well as actually being ready for it. You can't compare a very complicated civil war, which was always generally low on casualties other than the massacres the UA suffered from at Ilovaisk and Debaltseve, to a real war where hundreds die every day, not every year.

It also must be understood that the separatists started off claiming a lot of territory, but generally lost most of it with very little to nothing in the way of fighting because they simply did not have the means to defend any of it. I don't think this comparison is relevant at all.

And in any case, you can cope and sneed about the maps all you wish; the reality throughout this entire war has been that Western maps have been incredibly slow on the uptake as they wait for Ukrainian confirmation of losing cities and villages (which of course, always comes 2 weeks or so late as it did with Izyum), the only good map maker in this entire war was told to stop publishing his shit online by the Russian government because his maps were too good and we've been deprived of them for around a month and a half by now. Your dismissal of the failed attack on Cossack Lopan as "videos and pictures" also leads me to believe that you're either unable or unwilling to think critically in the realm of military maneuvering.

I predict you will continue to be painfully wrong, as you were before, as long as you keep attempting to predict and analyse this war based on incredibly faulty and outright incorrect maps and sources, which even without being incorrect or faulty, would already be considered biased (though there is no unbiased source on this war, really).

Now I am not a general - and just because you are wrong, it does not mean that I will be right, so everyone reading my posts, which are nothing but the speculation of an armchair general done using sources and information I can find online, should keep that in mind. I can only make guesses, predictions and give my opinions based on my interest in military history and common sense when it comes to the waging of war.
 
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dude is based and westpilled. I support the current Ukraine.
Being an NPC regurgitating the retarded ass twitter and reddit rhetoric isn't based, it's like that Z-tards that consistently try to convince me that Russia is infallible. Not the slightest notion of original thought.
Depends on the quality of the war brides...
Considering the reputation of Ukraine and Russian women being materialistic and emotionally dead, I'm probably going to have to pass.
 
actually when Kurds decided to slow town to lower levels of kids, STRANGELY our borders were opened by (((our greatest ally))) and we are having over 10million Syrians Arabs and Afghans.

10 million.

Think about it.
If you're run by a Muslim fundamentalist and you're still controlled by the Jews, maybe you should consider just ending your country right there. Just saying.
 
So how come they let in very "peaceful and democratic" nations that had no intention to revamp either into NATO like Turkey (Same tier as Nepal and Pakistan) and Portugal (founding member, and Post WW2 was a Facisct state until the 70s). The notion that they had to submit to NATOs "standard" is completely idiotic considering how inconsistent they were with letting into countries that had questionable governmental practices. It's blatantly obvious that NATO is and always was, an anti-Russian alliance.

Yelstein immediately after the collapse and Putin in his first term asked, and there would have been no logical reason to not accept Russia in its dilapidated, but valuable state. The intelligent consensus is that the exceedingly profitable US war machine would not have an adversary to justify increased spending and Russia would want coexist with the US in the alliance instead of being its dependent, The former being unequivocally true.
Except the Compass Club is not an equal partnership. All members of NATO are sitting in AMERICA'S tree house. The entire point of NATO is to freeze the borders of Europe, with the threat of American Force hanging over anyone who dares try and change them. Its why one of the major requirements of NATO membership is for a country to have no outstanding territorial conflicts. Its why Moldova is not in NATO right now.

If Russia was to join NATO, it would have had to settle all its outstanding border disputes. ALL of them. The one with Japan, the one with Georgia, the one with Moldova, the one with Poland and Lithuania (lets not forget Konigsberg here), the ones with Ukraine, etc etc etc. Was it honestly possible for Russia to give up ALL its extant territorial claims and submit itself to the American hammer to keep it within its borders?

And lets also not forget the final part of this. Membership in NATO requires an open referendum (supervised by the USA) to approve membership. Would the Russian people have accepted these terms? Would they have accepted American monitors to oversee their own vote? And then being bottled into the broken shell of their former empire by American fiat? Of course not.

The fundamental disagreement of the 90's and 00's was over how Russia and American even viewed NATO. To America, Russia was not the primary target, only in as much as it wanted to alter the boundaries of Europe. For Russia, being one of the few European countries that actually wanted to alter Europe's borders, it of course has come across as uniquely targeting them.
 
Let me rephrase.

Freeze the borders of those countries that America has put in its tree house. Honestly makes my argument better tbqh. I've said it before but it bears repeating. The point of NATO is not collective defense. That is simply the mechanism of enforcement. The actual point of NATO is make every member state of Europe incapable of starting any wars on the European Continent. Should be noted this was why Charles De Gaul was absolutely adamant France should not be in NATO.

We sop to Europeans ego's by including North America in the whole "no changing borders" deal. But lets be real here. That is a functionally meaningless exercise in diplomatic shenanigans since there are less then half a dozen North American countries, and only two of them are in NATO. Its also why Portugal and Spain, both Fascist states when they joined were allowed in. Government form and spreading democracy is not the goal. The goal is making Europe, Americas bitch. Russia could have, and still can, join NATO if it wants to be Americas bitch.

We all know that is not going to happen. So the entire argument over mean America not letting Russia into NATO is false. Russia is welcome to join anytime it wants.
 
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