Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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Ukraine has reportedly struck the munitions depot at Tomarovka in Belgorod region.


Its apparently on fire right now and the authorities are evacuating the town.

So, Vance has already become the "public face of the legion". He showed up and just like that....


Quote : "Malcolm Nance, a Navy intelligence veteran and former TV commentator who is now the public face of the legion"


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What a brave pose. I still can't believe how seriously people take this actual glow nigger.
 
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Yet Russia still needs to prepare for war as a matter of national security. If that was not the case, and nuclear war meant certain doom and there was no way to protect yourself from it, then US would not spend money on anti-nuclear defense systems. It might seem unreasonable now, but there is no telling what capabilities US and NATO would have even in a 10 years from now.
The current missile defense system is more tailored to counter "rogue nations" like North Korea. Obviously it would also be used against Russian launches, but such an event would be an exercise in mitigating losses because millions would die. It's still doom.
Another aspect is that it makes sense to invest in technology ahead of time, so that when it becomes feasible you already have expertise.
As long as it can change trajectory it should be enough to throw modern calculation centers off. If it can do that, than this should be enough to bypass anti-missile defenses at least with the higher chance than other methods of delivery.
As people often say, the phone in your pocket has more computing power than NASA had when they put the man on the moon.
You really can't throw modern calculations off. Control theory is really advanced and with affordable computer chips you can run the calculations for an intercept course at obscene rates.
First you say that guaranties can't protect Ukraine from second Russian invasion, then you say that neutral Ukraine would be nothing more than Russian economic puppet and now you say that people might vote wrong if Ukraine would be neutral? I don't care if Ukraine will become international hub for election observers with the most secure elections in the world, if they want it. I don't care if they would elect the most pro-Western, gayest man in existence or the most corrupt vatanigger that graced this Earth. What i care about is that they add 2 points in there constitution that states 1. Can not be a member of military block 2. Can not station military bases of foreign powers on it's territory.
This isn't really hard to understand. A neutral Ukraine has to fend for itself all alone. When Ukrainian people protested against Yanukovych, Russia's response was to seize territory and arm separatists. So yes, I expect Russia to conduct punitive measures against Ukraine for having the "wrong" politics. Trying to ignore this is beyond riddiculous.
What you're asking for is that Ukraine cannot be helped by others defending itself, and another nation can tell Ukraine who it can invite over. This is designed to make sure Ukraine can be invaded again.
Oh, but there would be no need to think about other republics inside Ukraine if they would sign a peace deal in a timely manner. Now Russia would take what it wants by force. There will be no independent republics inside of Ukraine after peace deal is signed, because they ether would be part of Russia or part of Novorossia. Granted, conflict can be frozen in time if Russians can't preform well enough and those issues would never truly be resolved in a foreseeable future.
Again, this is mafia tactics. Give us what we want, "or else". The peace deal means an encroachment of Russia inside Ukrainian territory. Just like South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia and Transnistria in Moldavia. The peace deal is forever a frozen conflict, designed to suit Russia's objectives. I also find it funny that Russia gets to demand for others not to host foreign military forces, but they straight up have military presence inside other nations to secure the breakway republics.
You defend Russia's intentions to bend everyone and fuck them in the ass and chastize those who don't drop their pants at will, while feeling that it's unreasonable that smaller countries might want to get a turn at bending Russia over.
So because some faggot in a suit had to flee the country to avoid prosecution over the deaths carried out by riot police, Russia used military force and glowops to punish Ukraine for their political wrongthink. Now after Russia used aggression against Ukraine, it asks for "peace" where the peace is accepting that Russia used proxy forces to seize Ukrainian territory.
This sort of "teehee now Russia will have to take what it wants by force" attitude - as if Russia wasn't using military force before - is exactly why so many are cheering for the hohols. It legitimately makes one's blood boil to see people defend such behavior, when Russia's underhanded tactics don't work they use that as a justification to start thrashing around.
That is true, yet why can't NATO deescalate the situation? Why go full hog on memberships when you can just guaranty nations? This is what i don't understand.
Nigga then what the fuck is the problem with nations becoming NATO members if "guarantees" are functionally identical? It's still a military assistance and mutual defense deal.
 
Only in as far as what America wants in exchange for peace is unreasonable. As has been pointed out consistently, America happily makes nice with dictators who tow the line. America is not an expansionist superpower, which is a unique aberration of history. Its not interested in invading and taking over territory, nor engaging in regime change with countries that get along with it. Canada and Mexico certainly can't step too far outside the American sphere of influence, and do something like host a Chinese airbase. But beyond that they are not in any danger of the US sending tanks over their border either.

American leaders have too a large extent huffed their own product on this front. America is the agent of peace in Europe after thousands of years. Pax Americana has restored the western world to order for the first time since the Goths sacked Rome. Anyone who wants to upset that apple cart is a barbarian. There are no doubt nuances too this, but at a fundamental level it HAS worked. The French in Strasbourg don't go to sleep every night worrying about Germans going over the border while they are asleep. The Danes are not worried about the Swedes sweeping in from the north for whatever reason, and even tiny Luxembourg is safe and sound with no worries at all.

I suppose its all a matter of perspective. Is America a shit head for presiding over the longest period of peace in Europe, ever? Maybe. But it does have its perks.

Now this is not true at all. Actually quite the opposite. Nuclear war is a dead mans switch, and game theory is very clear that the more players in the game, the more unstable it is. That is why the US has been adamant against nuclear proliferation. Another unstated goal of NATO is to make sure the nuclear club is not expanded. Germany, Spain and Italy could develop nukes. But they won't. Because America won't let them .
So, the USA helped the coup that toppled the Shah, went after Assad and even toppled Kadafi even though he tossed the US’s salad once Ronnie scared the crap out of him.

Maybe the pattern the US follows is that it makes nice with dictators as long as they really buttfuck their respective populations and destroys the ones that do anything to stop their populations from being retarded.

The US likes the Saudis because their retardation is at legendary level, for example.

Also, remember the US cares Fuck all about the dindu dictators in Africa but did have two of them killed once they went against the Rona narrative.
 
So, the USA helped the coup that toppled the Shah, went after Assad and even toppled Kadafi even though he tossed the US’s salad once Ronnie scared the crap out of him.

Maybe the pattern the US follows is that it makes nice with dictators as long as they really buttfuck their respective populations and destroys the ones that do anything to stop their populations from being retarded.

The US likes the Saudis because their retardation is at legendary level, for example.

Also, remember the US cares Fuck all about the dindu dictators in Africa but did have two of them killed once they went against the Rona narrative.
You forgot one of their biggest blunders: arming and financially supporting Fidel Castro and his rebels. The glowies really hate the no refunds policy when it comes to coups and revolutions.
 
These kind of issues would have popped up if Russia joined NATO since the U.S. would eventually encroach into Russia's sphere of influence (Russia has never relinquished it's sphere of influence) and the subsequent independent action of Russia against that encroachment means that the authority of the alliance over Russia would have been nominal at best and would eventually end up in Russia leaving NATO.
relinquishing any 'sphere of influence' type imperial ambition inside europe is one of the requirements for joining nato in the first place.
france wont bother belgium about wallonia, netherlands wont bother belgium about flanders, denmark wont bother sweden about skane, spain wont bother britain about gibraltar, germany wont bother france about alsace, hungary wont bother romania about transylvania, etc. that's the price they pay for being part of the alliance: accepting the current european borders as set in stone and not open for debate is one of the main demands the americans make of nato members.

if russia were to join, it would have to renounce and abandon all its meddling and influencing towards europe, probably towards the caucasus as well. they might get away with fucking around in central asia (kazakhstan, mongolia, turkmenistan, kyrgyzstan etc) without the rest of nato caring much because that's far away, kind of like turkey gets away with meddling in syria, but any expansionist ambition in the direction of europe would be off the table. i don't think the russians would have considered this acceptable, the revanchist and revisionist desire runs deep with them, so i dont think joining nato was never a serious consideration for them.
 
In the 30 years of its existence, Ukraine has seen six presidents, and one acting president. Of the six people to hold the office previous to the current president, five relinquished power when they lost the election, and the sixth was technically impeached hence why one of those five people held the office in an "acting" capacity.

As far as most westerners are concerned, that's good enough. Power transfers at elections, or when the legislative body impeaches the leader. No one refusing to give up power despite their term being up. No one pushing the legislature into altering term limits to let them keep running for reelection. For that matter the legislature is made up of multiple political parties with the largest controlling little more than half the seats. All in all, it's more or less functioning as a democracy. Is it without things to criticize? Of course not. But that's not exactly unusual for governments, including democratic ones.

Which one of these is describing the 2014 coup financed by the US? The one where the democratically elected President was removed from power and replaced with "our choice" in Ukraine, which then resulted in a rewrite of the Ukrainian Constitution ending their official stance as neutral and non-NATO seeking, putting them in direct conflict with Russia as a proxy for US interests?

Mmmmm Democracy ™
 
That joke has been around since the Third Reich, back then they said the Russian soldiers were stealing faucets, expecting them to produce water once set up at home.
I know, but hearing this from Ukrainians of all people is really bizarre.
So, Vance has already become the "public face of the legion". He showed up and just like that....


Quote : "Malcolm Nance, a Navy intelligence veteran and former TV commentator who is now the public face of the legion"


Picture of him fighting hard




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He's going to be the second coming of Floyd, I tell you.
 
relinquishing any 'sphere of influence' type imperial ambition inside europe is one of the requirements for joining nato in the first place.
france wont bother belgium about wallonia, netherlands wont bother belgium about flanders, denmark wont bother sweden about skane, spain wont bother britain about gibraltar, germany wont bother france about alsace, hungary wont bother romania about transylvania, etc. that's the price they pay for being part of the alliance: accepting the current european borders as set in stone and not open for debate is one of the main demands the americans make of nato members.
This has far less to do with just the obligations of NATO and far more to do with demographics. Once you deported the vast majority of Germans into the interior of present-day Germany you can't make a demographics-based claim on Polan. In turn, NATO or not, Cyprus is viably in dispute because of its demographics and NATO did fuck all about it. The reason Russia is in this situation is because the areas around it are full of Russians and the Soviet administrative borders weren't made to take demographics into account or to function as viable states.
 
British Ministry of Defense which is Pro-Ukraine finally admits that Kherson is in Russian hands:

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Vladimir Alexandrovich's beliefs before he became president.


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And, by your logic, what compels NATO to defend it's members, exactly? It's nothing more than a piece of paper, they can just pack up their bags and leave to avoid a nuclear war if they so choose, couldn't they? Or do they sign a blood pact or something?
It’s literally a blood/suicide pact in a way. That’s the point of martial alliances. I hope Russian leadership doesn’t have the same view, but the more Slavs I hear say this, the more concerned I am.

The same could be said of Russia, they could choose not to attack a NATO member. It’s just a paper in the same way that Englands agreement with Belgium was “just a piece paper.”
think more like Anglos.
 
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The current missile defense system is more tailored to counter "rogue nations" like North Korea. Obviously it would also be used against Russian launches, but such an event would be an exercise in mitigating losses because millions would die. It's still doom.
Another aspect is that it makes sense to invest in technology ahead of time, so that when it becomes feasible you already have expertise.
I would like to see NK trying to lunch nuclear missile into Europe. It's just a convenient excuse.
As people often say, the phone in your pocket has more computing power than NASA had when they put the man on the moon.
You really can't throw modern calculations off. Control theory is really advanced and with affordable computer chips you can run the calculations for an intercept course at obscene rates.
I am not sure about this. Can you provide something on this matter? It feels like we both talking out of our ass based on preconceived notions. Or maybe it just me. All i read about hyper sonic missiles is that they are hard to intercept because of trajectory changes, which leads to difficulties with trajectory calculation. If you have something that proves your point, i would like to read it or see it, if it's a video.
This isn't really hard to understand. A neutral Ukraine has to fend for itself all alone. When Ukrainian people protested against Yanukovych, Russia's response was to seize territory and arm separatists. So yes, I expect Russia to conduct punitive measures against Ukraine for having the "wrong" politics. Trying to ignore this is beyond riddiculous.
What you're asking for is that Ukraine cannot be helped by others defending itself, and another nation can tell Ukraine who it can invite over. This is designed to make sure Ukraine can be invaded again.
It can be discussed before the guaranties are given. Considering that most pro-Russian regions of Ukraine would secede there would be hardly any danger of pro-Russian revolt. I don't know what sort of punitive measures outside of that you are referring to. It also can join the EU, if EU let them join, that is.
Well, by the same logic Finland should have been invaded 3 times over by now. Why did that not happen? And why they don't elect a pro-Russian government? They are neutral, yet nothing bad is happening to them, for some reason. No winter war memes. Serious responses only.
Again, this is mafia tactics. Give us what we want, "or else". The peace deal means an encroachment of Russia inside Ukrainian territory. Just like South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia and Transnistria in Moldavia. The peace deal is forever a frozen conflict, designed to suit Russia's objectives. I also find it funny that Russia gets to demand for others not to host foreign military forces, but they straight up have military presence inside other nations to secure the breakway republics.
You defend Russia's intentions to bend everyone and fuck them in the ass and chastize those who don't drop their pants at will, while feeling that it's unreasonable that smaller countries might want to get a turn at bending Russia over.
So because some faggot in a suit had to flee the country to avoid prosecution over the deaths carried out by riot police, Russia used military force and glowops to punish Ukraine for their political wrongthink. Now after Russia used aggression against Ukraine, it asks for "peace" where the peace is accepting that Russia used proxy forces to seize Ukrainian territory.
This sort of "teehee now Russia will have to take what it wants by force" attitude - as if Russia wasn't using military force before - is exactly why so many are cheering for the hohols. It legitimately makes one's blood boil to see people defend such behavior, when Russia's underhanded tactics don't work they use that as a justification to start thrashing around.
I understand. Russia is le bad, separatist is just a glow op, Ukraine is le good and did nothing wrong, America is not involved in any way and overall Russia just should have taken a knee and watch it's people being slaughtered. We've done this song and dance with you before and it is my understanding that we will never agree on this issue until something groundbreaking is introduced.
Nigga then what the fuck is the problem with nations becoming NATO members if "guarantees" are functionally identical? It's still a military assistance and mutual defense deal.
That's exactly my point. Why propose membership if guaranty would serve the same purpose with the added benefit of deescalation?
 
"Prosecutor General's Office of the DPR initiated a criminal case against a group of foreign mercenaries
"The case was initiated against British citizens Sean Pinner and Aiden Daniel John Mark Aslin, as well as a citizen of the Kingdom of Morocco, Saadoun Brahim," the department said.
The investigation established that Sean Pinner, Aiden Aslin and Saadun Brahim, acting as mercenaries in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, took part in the preparation and conduct of hostilities against the Donetsk People's Republic. The arrested foreigners are accused of mercenarism and the commission by a group of persons by prior conspiracy of actions aimed at forcibly seizing power and forcibly changing the constitutional order of the DPR.
The defendants are being held in custody, giving detailed testimony. The investigation into the case is ongoing."
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They thought they were going to be threated like POWS and be home again in a couple of weeks.
The DPR will threat them like mercenaries which can result in the death penalty. We'll find out how it goes in a couple of weeks/months.
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It’s literally a blood/suicide pact in a way. That’s the point of martial alliances. I hope Russian leadership doesn’t have the same view, but the more Slavs I hear say this, the more concerned I am.
Eh, it's more of a saber rattling, really. Slavs on the internet just need to bully the Balts somehow, so they say to them that they are next and nothing will save them.
 
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