Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[The Foldless Brain]

According to Sergei Lavrov, Zelensky's Jewish ancestry doesn't negate his total 100% unquestionable Nazi status because Hitler was also Jewish.
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I'm glad that Lavrov is moving towards the ultimate position:

 

[mindlessobserver]

Please tell me you meant it as a jab and not as an example to look after.

Nah, I get all tingly whenever Joe Biden sniffs my hair. I wish daddy would govern me harder.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

You kept repeating yourself from the start of the conflict.

They will not give up. Putin can't afford it. He will be eaten alive if he tries.
And the Russian population is accustomed to hardships; they demand retribution, not ceacefire.
Republics made it through 8 years of the grind, and I believe their larger cousin will be fine for a few more months.

To me, the whole question of if Putin can afford it depends on what Russia's actual objectives are. It definitely started with regime change and an expectation of what Stalin thought how the Winter War would turn out, where troops expected to be welcomed by most people and expected to march right into the capital with little real resistance. The retreat from the north and the whitewashing of it actually just being a massive pinning operation is testament that regime change or annexing regions in the north are now off the table.

Without mobilization, Russia's advances are stopping at taking Donbass and maybe taking Kharkiv. The issue with mobilization is it can quickly turn a popular war into an unpopular one, especially if the stated main objectives ("Liberating" Donbass) have already been achieved.

 

[Wy4M]

A minor update from Lavrov where he throws shade at the US and clarifies a few things.

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Haha, Lavrov offering Zelensky a way out.
A few weeks ago the White House said that they already have a successor ready in case something would happen to Zelensky (an accident)
I'm curious how Zelensky will react to this.

 

[Wy4M]

Please tell me you meant it as a jab and not as an example to look after.

It started with the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.And now the Russians will finish it.
Although I agree that they should have done it much earlier.

The fire in the Odessa House of Unions on May 2, 2014 is one of the largest in terms of the number of victims of fires in Ukraine; it was one of the episodes of civil confrontation between Euromaidan supporters and anti—Maidan supporters in Odessa during the political crisis in Ukraine in 2013-2014. 6 people died during street clashes between Euromaidan supporters and pro—Russian activists in the center of Odessa. Another 42 people died as a result of a fire in the Odessa House of Unions, in which anti-Maidan activists (whose street camp was located nearby, on Kulikovo Field), tried to hide.

What a very ideologically inclined mob. What a pleasant people.

backups...

 

[JosephStalin]

To me, the whole question of if Putin can afford it depends on what Russia's actual objectives are. It definitely started with regime change and an expectation of what Stalin thought how the Winter War would turn out, where troops expected to be welcomed by most people and expected to march right into the capital with little real resistance. The retreat from the north and the whitewashing of it actually just being a massive pinning operation is testament that regime change or annexing regions in the north are now off the table.

Without mobilization, Russia's advances are stopping at taking Donbass and maybe taking Kharkiv. The issue with mobilization is it can quickly turn a popular war into an unpopular one, especially if the stated main objectives ("Liberating" Donbass) have already been achieved.

Indeed. This is one reason the US never mobilized for Vietnam. The war was unpopular enough, and a mobilization would have drastically ramped up opposition.

Would be interesting to see how Putin would justify a mobilization. No Ukrainian soldiers are obviously on the soil of the Rodina. Don't believe Ukraine has taken public credit for the recent fires. Far as I know, Ukraine hasn't declared war on Russia, but Russia declared war on Ukraine. Russia faces no existential threat, and many Russians know that.

Nevertheless, the same questions remain. How many would actually show up if mobilized? Can the Russian training base handle the conscripts in the numbers envisioned? How can the Russians support the mobilization logistically when they are having problems supporting the troops presently in the field?

A couple of articles re Russian/Soviet conscription in general and things young Russians are doing today to avoid conscription. And during my namesake's time, some men hid out to avoid conscription, heard anecdotally.

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htpeace/articles/20220303.aspx

https://archive.ph/xtXLE

http://www.zyri.net/2022/04/01/war-ukraine-russia-how-young-russians-avoid-military-service-so-as-not-to-be-sent-to-the-front/

https://archive.ph/KsSe3

 

[DumbDude42]

Haha, Lavrov offering Zelensky a way out.
A few weeks ago the White House said that they already have a successor ready in case something would happen to Zelensky (an accident)
I'm curious how Zelensky will react to this.

"we do not demand that he surrender, we just demand that he stops all resistance"
what kind of offer is this supposed to be lol
"stop resisting!" is literally the same as "give up and capitulate!"

 

[cistendered]

To those of you who have an entrepreneurial spirit and are on that Sigma Griftset - there is a nascent industry producing biographies about Zelenskuiiyji:

If you're seeing these and thinking "wow, there's already a bunch of titles, the market must be saturated!" I wouldn't worry about it too much. The libtard appetite for topical books which demonstrate to their libtard friends how much they enjoy the Current Thing™ is basically endless.

NYT reading libtards bought every one of this stupid suitcase lipped nigger's books, turning him in into a millionaire several times over. There's plenty of room to cash in on the Ukraine crisis.

 

[White_N]

Right, because everyone who sees the Russians for the incompetent morlocks they are are obviously all reddit troons.

Or anyone from the list below.
Others were busy grilling.
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Place your bets:
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Eternal Britbong
Gay Parisienne
Drunk Hollander
Even More Drunk Mick
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To me, the whole question of if Putin can afford it depends on what Russia's actual objectives are.

- February 24, Dmitry Peskov. Its goal is demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine to eliminate the threat to the Russian Federation.

- On March 25, the chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff, Colonel-General Sergei Rudskoy. The purpose of the SMO is the liberation of the LPR and the DPR

- March 29, Sergey Shoigu. The main goal of the SMO is the liberation of Donbass.

- April 3, Dmitry Peskov. One of the main goals is to save the LPR and the DPR and restore their statehood within the borders of 2014, fixed in their constitutions.

Demilitarization, denazification and protection of Donbass respectevly

Not a Russian politician, but from what I observed from interviews with Lavrov and Shoigu


Denazification - ban on the national battalions and a constitutional ban on neo-Nazi groups.
Demilitarization—to pull out the fangs and claws of the Ukrainian army, just as it was with Georgia.
The protection of Donbass is to take control of the territories of the republic as prescribed in the constitution and diploamtic guarantees with Ukraine of their sovereignty.

This is a small problem for the LPR, but the DPR has never controlled about 30% of these territories after 2014, so there may be difficulties with this.

("Liberating" Donbass) have already been achieved.

No, some of their constitutional territories, particularly those of the DPR, are not under their control. Furthermore, liberation doesn't mean much without protection. If war ended tonight, the citizens of the Republic would still be in danger. Taking the place is the easy part. Being certain that it will stay the same is the hard part.

 

[UVB-76]

Have heard Putin has mentioned "mobilization". Hmmm...wonder how many will show up, with what they have heard about the war, and seeing so many return in boxes. Wonder how the Russian Army could support those mobilized logistically, when they have the greatest difficulties supporting those already in the field. Where will the additional trucks come from, for example? Civilian sector? Do that enough, you can hurt the economy at home, and keep in mind most civilian trucks aren't built for military use.

This might be Russian liberals mainlining pure hopium, but Maxim Katz has proposed that Putin absolutely cannot have a true mobilization.
Despite most of Russia's population living in cities, most of the volunteer soldiers fighting and dying in Ukraine are from the rural regions and the other republics inside the federation.
So the Russian state can sweep the true human cost of the war as the bodies returning in boxes are ending up in villages and towns away from Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Republics made it through 8 years of the grind

Because it's their fight. Simple as.

 

[mindlessobserver]

To those of you who have an entrepreneurial spirit and are on that Sigma Griftset - there is a nascent industry producing biographies about Zelenskuiiyji:
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If you're seeing these and thinking "wow, there's already a bunch of titles, the market must be saturated!" I wouldn't worry about it too much. The libtard appetite for topical books which demonstrate to their libtard friends how much they enjoy the Current Thing™ is basically endless.
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NYT reading libtards bought every one of this stupid suitcase lipped nigger's books, turning him in into a millionaire several times over. There's plenty of room to cash in on the Ukraine crisis.

Combine this with the closed species grift, and I am starting to see a recurring pattern along with a recurring target demographic.

 

[White_N]

"we do not demand that he surrender, we just demand that he stops all resistance"
what kind of offer is this supposed to be lol
"stop resisting!" is literally the same as "give up and capitulate!"

If your only weapon is human shields and your only fighters are neo-Nazis, then this is indeed a bad offer.

According to him, Russia demands that the President of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky, give an order to the participants of the neo-Nazi formations to release the civilians they are holding and stop the resistance.

We don't demand that he give up. We demand that he give the order to release all civilians and stop resisting.

And of course, you just forgot to add the middle part of the sentence.

 

[DumbDude42]

If your only weapon is human shields and your only fighters are neo-Nazis, then this is indeed a bad offer.


And of course, you just forgot to add the middle part of the sentence.

>dude lay down your arms and let our soldiers take your women and children lmao
>aren't we generous for making you such a nice offer hehe

 

[kuuu]

To those of you who have an entrepreneurial spirit and are on that Sigma Griftset - there is a nascent industry producing biographies about Zelenskuiiyji:
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If you're seeing these and thinking "wow, there's already a bunch of titles, the market must be saturated!" I wouldn't worry about it too much. The libtard appetite for topical books which demonstrate to their libtard friends how much they enjoy the Current Thing™ is basically endless.
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NYT reading libtards bought every one of this stupid suitcase lipped nigger's books, turning him in into a millionaire several times over. There's plenty of room to cash in on the Ukraine crisis.

Fap fuel for chicks with bad taste past their prime and neo-cons?

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Some more hardcore Russian propaganda, curated by someone who knows English.

https://t.me/s/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses

Tonns of stuff with with subs, for anyone interested.

 

[K-Hole]

We are fools to make war
Oh my brothers in arms

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Or anyone from the list below.
Others were busy grilling.
courtesy of Feline Supremacist



- February 24, Dmitry Peskov. Its goal is demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine to eliminate the threat to the Russian Federation.

- On March 25, the chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff, Colonel-General Sergei Rudskoy. The purpose of the SMO is the liberation of the LPR and the DPR

- March 29, Sergey Shoigu. The main goal of the SMO is the liberation of Donbass.

- April 3, Dmitry Peskov. One of the main goals is to save the LPR and the DPR and restore their statehood within the borders of 2014, fixed in their constitutions.

Demilitarization, denazification and protection of Donbass respectevly

Not a Russian politician, but from what I observed from interviews with Lavrov and Shoigu


Denazification - ban on the national battalions and a constitutional ban on neo-Nazi groups.
Demilitarization—to pull out the fangs and claws of the Ukrainian army, just as it was with Georgia.
The protection of Donbass is to take control of the territories of the republic as prescribed in the constitution and diploamtic guarantees with Ukraine of their sovereignty.

This is a small problem for the LPR, but the DPR has never controlled about 30% of these territories after 2014, so there may be difficulties with this.

No, some of their constitutional territories, particularly those of the DPR, are not under their control. Furthermore, liberation doesn't mean much without protection. If war ended tonight, the citizens of the Republic would still be in danger. Taking the place is the easy part. Being certain that it will stay the same is the hard part.

You're taking Russia's word as is, which I don't. The northern offensive was obviously an attempt to force a regime change to put up their own stooge who, in all likelihood, would basically be a yes man for Russia to the point he'll attempt to make Ukraine an extension of Russia like Belarus is.

Russia didn't do a full blown invasion over just Donbass, they obviously planned for something bigger, we don't truely know if their actual plan was doing full blown regime change, annexing Novorussiya regions to landlock Ukraine, or just trying to get Donbass and getting a landbridge to Crimea like they currently have, we don't know and probably won't for years, if ever.

But Russia has been saying one thing about their goals and their actions say another about their goals, and we all know which one speaks louder.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

>dude lay down your arms and let our soldiers take your women and children lmao
>aren't we generous for making you such a nice offer hehe
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Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror

 

[White_N]

>dude lay down your arms and let our soldiers take your women and children lmao
>aren't we generous for making you such a nice offer hehe
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You really like to distort people's words, for a person who complained about fake news.

They did not ask for them to be given Ukrainian women and children, but only for the Ukrainian military to release civilians from Azovstal (to the territory of Ukraine) and not use civilians as a cover. This demand also means Ukrainian forces cannot put any more artillery positions in residential buildings, so the fire in retaliation would be softened by civilian corpses so that later they can whine about the barbarity of the Russians.

 

[mindlessobserver]

You really like to distort people's words, for a person who complained about fake news.

They did not ask for them to be given Ukrainian women and children, but only for the Ukrainian military to release civilians from Azovstal (to the territory of Ukraine) and not use civilians as a cover. This demand also means Ukrainian forces cannot put any more artillery positions in residential buildings, so the fire in retaliation would be softened by civilian corpses so that later they can whine about the barbarity of the Russians.

I think the larger point is Russia's terms and their slamming of Zelensky fighting to the last Ukrainian can be boiled down too "How dare these uppity hohols fight for their country. Why would they do such a horrible thing?"

 

[Garm]

Observations and opinions...

Still think Putin may say something on 9 May to the extent that "We've punished the Ukrainians enough and are stopping on the present line." Unilateral cease-fire, responding only if attacked. More and more, the fight is being taken to Russia, what with all the fires. Those fires so far have happened at military/military-related targets. But let enough time go by and who knows what could happen, say, coordinated bomb attacks at several Moscow Metro stations during rush hour.

Surely Putin realizes the war is now a grind, his generals are getting killed right and left, Ukraine won't run out of support from outside, and the sanctions on Russia will continue. Not only that, Vlad has only himself to thank for Sweden and Finland applying to NATO, as well as the Russian conventional military's shot reputation. Suggest the Russian conventional military has been so damaged by this war that they couldn't succeed against NATO at all, conventionally. China must also be watching, with their own concerns.

Have heard Putin has mentioned "mobilization". Hmmm...wonder how many will show up, with what they have heard about the war, and seeing so many return in boxes. Wonder how the Russian Army could support those mobilized logistically, when they have the greatest difficulties supporting those already in the field. Where will the additional trucks come from, for example? Civilian sector? Do that enough, you can hurt the economy at home, and keep in mind most civilian trucks aren't built for military use.

Believe it's long past time for Vlad to play the magnanimous victor and cut his losses. Otherwise, the grind will go on, likely for many months to come.

On another forum I saw someone make the claim that there were 1,100 Russian Generals, compared to the US's 600.

I'm guessing "General" doesn't mean quite the same thing to Russia as it does to the West.