Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Fleetwood]

Ethan is the biggest dumbass in the world. If he made a nickel off every book sold he would have a Lamborghini. Instead he took a pittance and then gave away the original art, which Peterson continued to reproduce and sell without sending fatso a penny. Lmao

He could have done much worse but it sure is maddening to see how the guy has bungled the many opportunities given to him. I don't think he knows the significance of Jordan Peterson especially at the time that book came out. Peterson's fandom was probably bigger than the entire comics fandom and Van Scriver could have made more money than his crowdfunds have off selling prints and other merch of the 12 rules illustrations. It was funny at the time to watch the crestfallen Peterson simp Adam Friended try to mooch off EVS connection to Peterson only to find he really didn't give a shit about that stuff enough even to make money. Anyway it is clear at this point the guy is just going to do whatever dumb shit he does so there is no use in trying to help point out things like this.

 

[Analog Devolved]

Neal Adams has died.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

My understanding is that while he sounds young, he's actually in his 40's

What the hell?? Yep, 1000% Pedo.

 

[FROG]

Ethan is the biggest dumbass in the world. If he made a nickel off every book sold he would have a Lamborghini. Instead he took a pittance and then gave away the original art, which Peterson continued to reproduce and sell without sending fatso a penny. Lmao

That's work-for-hire, which was the agreement that was offered to me. At no point was Penguin Books about to squabble with a spot illustrator for incentives on a book that no one speculated would even sell. My job was to draw 12 cartoons for a payout, and grant the rights to Jordan Peterson. The other alternative was to say No Thanks, which I ended up doing for the second book.

It's no different than doing Buy Out work for Marvel or DC. Dale Keown spent a year doing drawings of The Hulk for Marvel Entertainment to use on merchandise. There was one particularly famous image that ended up EVERYWHERE. For years, if you saw anything about the Hulk at Walmart or Target or at a theme park, it was this particular Dale Keown image. Beach towels, toy packaging, t-shirts...

He was paid what most people pay in a month's rent for it. And that's it. It's disgraceful.

The original art was a gift to Peterson. Had I sold it, I might have earned another $10K or so. But the real value in working on that book was having done it. People found me, and are still finding me, because of it. Many of them are buying CYBERFROG now. So if I want a Lamborghini, I can buy a Lamborghini.

 

[Fleetwood]

I was curious who took over and in this video he interviews the new illustrator. Peterson explains he liked "Ethan Van Siver"'s illustrations a lot they were very successful but he had other opportunities he was pursuing. (Sound byte is in the first minute of the interview) Instead he had an online contest and hired some Latvian woman who I could not sit thru more than a few minutes of an interview with between her and post-benzos Peterson.

I still think you are severely undervaluing those original illustrations @FROG
To be fair, broken post addiction Dr Peterson seems to have trouble keeping track of things too.

 

[Cuckoman]

Ethan is the biggest dumbass in the world. If he made a nickel off every book sold he would have a Lamborghini. Instead he took a pittance and then gave away the original art, which Peterson continued to reproduce and sell without sending fatso a penny. Lmao

Contrary to his woke and broke detractors that often have to e-beg to be able to buy food, Ethan can already afford to buy a lambo, or two.
As he has not bought a lambo yet I guess it is more a lack of interest than a lack of funds.

Seriously, if you are a grown up, somewhat successful, with a 30 year long career, and prudent with your spending, buying a lambo is not exactly breaking the bank.
If you are woke and struggle to get funds to order the daily door-dash hamburger, ok maybe a lambo is out of your reach.

 

[Orson Raygun]

That's work-for-hire, which was the agreement that was offered to me. At no point was Penguin Books about to squabble with a spot illustrator for incentives on a book that no one speculated would even sell. My job was to draw 12 cartoons for a payout, and grant the rights to Jordan Peterson. The other alternative was to say No Thanks, which I ended up doing for the second book.

It's no different than doing Buy Out work for Marvel or DC. Dale Keown spent a year doing drawings of The Hulk for Marvel Entertainment to use on merchandise. There was one particularly famous image that ended up EVERYWHERE. For years, if you saw anything about the Hulk at Walmart or Target or at a theme park, it was this particular Dale Keown image. Beach towels, toy packaging, t-shirts...

He was paid what most people pay in a month's rent for it. And that's it. It's disgraceful.

The original art was a gift to Peterson. Had I sold it, I might have earned another $10K or so. But the real value in working on that book was having done it. People found me, and are still finding me, because of it. Many of them are buying CYBERFROG now. So if I want a Lamborghini, I can buy a Lamborghini.

You said on one of your previous videos you were offered a choice, a flat fee or Royalties. You said you went with a flat fee to pay for your Wedding because you didn't know how many copies 12 Rules would sell. So are you now saying you were only offered a flat fee?

 

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

In nine hours Vikki's sister is going live on the CG Slums channel for an interview. Should be exciting!

 

[FROG]

You said on one of your previous videos you were offered a choice, a flat fee or Royalties. You said you went with a flat fee to pay for your Wedding because you didn't know how many copies 12 Rules would sell. So are you now saying you were only offered a flat fee?

Can you find that previous video?

 

[Orson Raygun]

Can you find that previous video?

yes, but it'll take time. I can't remember which extract one it was and your videos tend to be on the long side.

 

[FROG]

yes, but it'll take time. I can't remember which extract one it was and your videos tend to be on the long side.

I'd appreciate it. Either you misunderstood me or I was speaking esoterically (like I should have bargained with them), but there was never an offer of royalties. I double checked the correspondence between myself, Peterson and Penguin CA to refresh my memory. It was always a buyout in two paid installments, with a heavy emphasis on "you need to sign the rights over to Jordan."

 

[Analog Devolved]

That's work-for-hire, which was the agreement that was offered to me. At no point was Penguin Books about to squabble with a spot illustrator for incentives on a book that no one speculated would even sell. My job was to draw 12 cartoons for a payout, and grant the rights to Jordan Peterson. The other alternative was to say No Thanks, which I ended up doing for the second book.

It's no different than doing Buy Out work for Marvel or DC. Dale Keown spent a year doing drawings of The Hulk for Marvel Entertainment to use on merchandise. There was one particularly famous image that ended up EVERYWHERE. For years, if you saw anything about the Hulk at Walmart or Target or at a theme park, it was this particular Dale Keown image. Beach towels, toy packaging, t-shirts...

He was paid what most people pay in a month's rent for it. And that's it. It's disgraceful.

The original art was a gift to Peterson. Had I sold it, I might have earned another $10K or so. But the real value in working on that book was having done it. People found me, and are still finding me, because of it. Many of them are buying CYBERFROG now. So if I want a Lamborghini, I can buy a Lamborghini.

I think the way the industry treats artists is a disgrace and that was the point i was trying to make. Dale should have made a million dollars off his art. Maybe now that he's in comicsgate he will.

 

[FROG]

I think the way the industry treats artists is a disgrace and that was the point i was trying to make. Dale should have made a million dollars off his art. Maybe now that he's in comicsgate he will.

Working at Marvel and DC, (or on 12 Rules For Life) is valuable, though. Without Dale's memorable time on THE HULK, he wouldn't have been able to do PITT, and he wouldn't have the name recognition he has today. Even though Marvel and DC completely exploit their creative talent, you should still work there. If you do it right and treat it as paid exposure, you can do what I'm doing now, and what Dale is going to do when he starts crowdfunding his own stuff.

I do think he'll get 7 figures.

 

[Rupin]

Working at Marvel and DC, (or on 12 Rules For Life) is valuable, though. Without Dale's memorable time on THE HULK, he wouldn't have been able to do PITT, and he wouldn't have the name recognition he has today. Even though Marvel and DC completely exploit their creative talent, you should still work there. If you do it right and treat it as paid exposure, you can do what I'm doing now, and what Dale is going to do when he starts crowdfunding his own stuff.

I do think he'll get 7 figures.

i‘d be very surprised if Dale didn’t blow past seven figures with his new Pitt book. I can only imagine what numbers an omnibus would bring.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Even though Marvel and DC completely exploit their creative talent, you should still work there. If you do it right and treat it as paid exposure

Is it even possible these days? Between the perceived gatekeeping, the drop in readership, and however many other factors?

 

[A Meme to Power]

Is it even possible these days? Between the perceived gatekeeping, the drop in readership, and however many other factors?

It’s very difficult to get big exposure and become a name brand without some sort of similar position. There are a hundred million little artists selling prints and indie books at conventions and none of them have recognition they need. Whether someone can get a job at the much reduced DC/Marvel comics…well there are definitely challenges, but the advantages of being able to say “former artist on Superman/Batman/etc” or if you’re very lucky/skilled have a book with big name recognition is a big deal.

Although these days a random indie artist with the right diversity boxes checked who dislikes you can have you cancelled from shows so its really just about getting your name out there. If someone can manage it, its a big deal. But it was always hard to manage, and now its much reduced from before.

 

[A nameless trool]

It’s very difficult to get big exposure and become a name brand without some sort of similar position. There are a hundred million little artists selling prints and indie books at conventions and none of them have recognition they need. Whether someone can get a job at the much reduced DC/Marvel comics…well there are definitely challenges, but the advantages of being able to say “former artist on Superman/Batman/etc” or if you’re very lucky/skilled have a book with big name recognition is a big deal.

Although these days a random indie artist with the right diversity boxes checked who dislikes you can have you cancelled from shows so its really just about getting your name out there. If someone can manage it, its a big deal. But it was always hard to manage, and now its much reduced from before.

CG can be summarized as "she who controls the Batman controls the comicbooks world"

 

[Analog Devolved]

I was curious who took over and in this video he interviews the new illustrator. Peterson explains he liked "Ethan Van Siver"'s illustrations a lot they were very successful but he had other opportunities he was pursuing. (Sound byte is in the first minute of the interview) Instead he had an online contest and hired some Latvian woman who I could not sit thru more than a few minutes of an interview with between her and post-benzos Peterson.

I still think you are severely undervaluing those original illustrations @FROG
To be fair, broken post addiction Dr Peterson seems to have trouble keeping track of things too.

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The fact someone as rich as Peterson hasn't Hi-res scanned those and framed them says a lot about his drug addled mind. Drawings that iconic belong in an archival frame so they can be enjoyed by future generations.

Jordan Peterson is a fucking clown. Fuck him and his gay book. He deserves to have people throw shit at him from the ground floor of his ivory tower.

 

[The Coon]

I do think he'll get 7 figures.

i‘d be very surprised if Dale didn’t blow past seven figures with his new Pitt book. I can only imagine what numbers an omnibus would bring.

I think he will get past the 7 figure mark pretty easy, I mean its a Dale Keown book on @FROG's stream. Hell the collective CG(and non CG) coom will be heard around the world when it goes live.
The best thing for Dale to do is to get the omnibus together, launch the omnibus and get it out fairly quickly. Then launch the new Pitt comic during fulfilment of the omnibus. That way people will already have and read the old material and be ready to back the new stuff. Then he can sit around and do nothing for a year or 2, take other non comic work, forget he has a crowdfund to do, remember he has a crowdfund and finally get it done. Its an improvement on the Fraga method.

 

[Greed]

I'm hyped for a new Pitt. Shame about the charisma vacuum writer who thinks wearing random Halloween costumes with zero context is a substitute for being entertaining on streams, but I've come to accept that Dale sees himself as some kind of savior of CG, swooping down from heaven to give the runts of the litter a leg up (behind their head, in some cases). He's too big for all of this and he knows it.
Either way, Pitt was always about the art and I have no reason to believe Dale won't deliver on that front. And that omnibus is a no-brainer.