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[Mothra1988]

I apologize for disliking this but it gets my goat as bad as the logic that we need a multi-party system. It's an illogical take on a phenomenon that's capable of being understood with logic equally simple: it's not that "you go so left you end up back on the right", it's that there's only so many ways in which you can manifest political power for varying reasons, and as such you end up with similar solutions for very disparate reasons.

Take censorship for example. For those on the right who view it as a possible positive force, the reasoning is to stop "degeneracy" and promote what they feel are positive social values. For those on the left, who view it as a possible force for good, the reasoning is typically to protect the public from "bigotry" and to promote their political values. Similar endpoint, but clearly different reasoning behind the action. It doesn't suddenly make the right-leaning guy a leftie nor vice versa.

Say two guys make a cauliflower crust pizza. One guy's doing it for keto, and one is doing it because dough fucks up his IBS or Crohn's or what have you. Both people made pizzas but the guy doing a keto diet doesn't suddenly develop a digestive issue, if you get my gist.

Right, but the affiliations underlying the authoritarianism remain the same was my main point. An authoritarian communist != an authoritarian NatSoc or whatever simply because they're taking/wanting to take the same or similar actions.

The entire point is it doesn't matter if it's a left foot or a right foot stomping on your face with their boot, you're still getting stomped on. The flimsy ideological bullshit justification doesn't matter, it's still the same fucking end point, and for all practical purposes there is no difference.

Also, the ideology is a pretense. Was anyone not paying attention during the Ukraine invasion? Whose side did the meme-nazis who want authoritarianism take? The side that was accused of hiding nazi elements in their ranks or the big strong man character who claims to want to eliminate nazis? Horse shoe theory is real.

I'd like to hear the galaxy brained take on why we don't need a multi-party political system, but somehow I don't think it's for the moral reasons that George Washington took that stance.

 

[LurkTrawl]

The entire point is it doesn't matter if it's a left foot or a right foot stomping on your face with their boot, you're still getting stomped on. The flimsy ideological bullshit justification doesn't matter, it's still the same fucking end point, and for all practical purposes there is no difference.

There is indeed a difference if you want to know how, what, and why they do what they do to attempt to get into power. Reading up on your ideological enemies instead of just writing them off as all the same isn't a bad thing. Some would even call it a good thing.

Also, the ideology is a pretense. Was anyone not paying attention during the Ukraine invasion? Whose side did the meme-nazis who want authoritarianism take? The side that was accused of hiding nazi elements in their ranks or the big strong man character who claims to want to eliminate nazis? Horse shoe theory is real.

I legitimately don't get what your point here is. A group of people, under threat from both abroad and from their government if they don't enlist, enlisted. I don't see the relevance in your statement.

I'd like to hear the galaxy brained take on why we don't need a multi-party political system, but somehow I don't think it's for the moral reasons that George Washington took that stance.

Take a look at any Euro country with multiple parties and the answer is obvious as to why. I've explained it elsewhere but if you're that interested I'll go into it.

 

[deepFriedBaka]

Y'all are cute. Time to bring back QuantumLink! Free software with every modem purchase!

Nobody mentioned CompuServe

 

[Mothra1988]

There is indeed a difference if you want to know how, what, and why they do what they do to attempt to get into power. Reading up on your ideological enemies instead of just writing them off as all the same isn't a bad thing. Some would even call it a good thing.

People already know, LurkTrawl, you don't have to educate them on the definition of national socialist or communist like this is a classroom. Apparently, the point of horse shoe is beyond you if you think it's invalid because of the technical definitions in people's stated motivations.

I legitimately don't get what your point here is. A group of people, under threat from both abroad and from their government if they don't enlist, enlisted. I don't see the relevance in your statement.

Like how? You must not know what meme-nazis mean. Do you not know what /pol/ is? Is this where the confusion is coming from with you? That must be it, you don't understand 4chan culture or how it would bleed into discussions here because people influenced by it come to Kiwi Farms. If you are completely ignorant of that, which would be the case for most normal people, then I apologize for my previous comments directed at you because I didn't think you were clueless regarding /pol/ culture, but Jesus.

My point is /pol/ contains a group of people claiming to internet national socialists and they sided with Putin, the guy who says he wants to exterminate nazis like rats. What does that say about the ideological convictions of people who believe in authoritarianism?

Take a look at any Euro country with multiple parties and the answer is obvious as to why. I've explained it elsewhere but if you're that interested I'll go into it.

Everyone knows a Euro-style 20 party system is dysfunctional, but this is a US based forum, where we have a virtual two party system. Overall, being able to change parties through elections when one side fucks up shit is a healthy way of purging that does not destroy the entire system, which is the entire point of it.

 

[LurkTrawl]

People already know, LurkTrawl, you don't have to educate them on the definition of national socialist or communist like this is a classroom. Apparently, the point of horse shoe is beyond you if you think it's invalid because of the technical definitions in people's stated motivations.

The point of horseshoe theory is to tie up in a bow both radical ends of the political spectrum, and dismiss them both as being "the same". It used to be used as a tool of mockery but people nowadays act like it's actually a valid political statement when it's not. Which to be fair to those who do, it's not difficult to see why as it's been parroted enough times in culture now to have that kind of effect.

Like how? You must not know what meme-nazis mean. Do you not know what /pol/ is? Is this where the confusion is coming from with you? That must be it, you don't understand 4chan culture or how it would bleed into discussions here because people influenced by it come to Kiwi Farms. If you are completely ignorant of that, which would be the case for most normal people, then I apologize for my previous comments directed at you because I didn't think you were clueless regarding /pol/ culture, but Jesus.

Well I was confused because I thought you meant the Azov battalion. And no, if you're talking about poltards the reason they go to bat for Putin is because they have some odd misconceived notion that he's /theirguy/ and wants to make the white race great again or some other ethnonationalist/supremacist horseshit. Which goes towards my point that it's not exactly unexpected because horseshoe theory isn't really all that accurate. Yes, you'd think they'd be against the dude who's openly against anti-semitism but, their core principles about "whiteness" and their obvious misunderstandings played it out differently.

Also, real talk, they're kinda fucking retarded though to be an extremist of any kind I suppose that's practically a prerequisite.

My point is /pol/ contains a group of people claiming to internet national socialists and they sided with Putin, the guy who says he wants to exterminate nazis like rats. What does that say about the ideological convictions of people who believe in authoritarianism?

Explained above but to make a point directly at this, acting as if though it'd be normal if they cared more about a guy saying he wants to exterminate nazis than their fantasized version of Russia being a "based" place is a bit odd. When you throw in the mix that he's the guy who pissed off a shitload of their political adversaries, then yeah it makes total sense. The inverse of this, by the way, would be progressives, socialists, and whatever other flavor of marxist on twitter siding with the side that has troops openly wearing nazi imagery on their equipment instead of what used to be the U.S.S.R. goes against this notion that they'd act similarly simply due to being authoritarian in mindset. I mean fuck logically speaking they're the kind of cretins who'd love to live in an oligarchy like Russia - if they were given the same status there that they are here anyway.

Everyone knows a Euro-style 20 party system is dysfunctional, but this is a US based forum, where we have a virtual two party system. Overall, being able to change parties through elections when one side fucks up shit is a healthy way of purging that does not destroy the entire system, which is the entire point of it.

Yeah. That's what I was talking about, there's a lot of folks who for one reason or another seemingly believe that the problems in the US can be solved by just adding more political parties to the electoral system. I didn't mean a single-party state lmfao, I'm not retarded.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

My fellow Americans, due to Musk buying Twitter we now need to pass laws and bills to stop hate speech and protect all the fags and negros.

 

[Mothra1988]

The point of horseshoe theory is to tie up in a bow both radical ends of the political spectrum, and dismiss them both as being "the same". It used to be used as a tool of mockery but people nowadays act like it's actually a valid political statement when it's not. Which to be fair to those who do, it's not difficult to see why as it's been parroted enough times in culture now to have that kind of effect.

It is completely valid. If the policies are literally the same as well as their practical implications, acting like the labels matter is intellectual masturbation. Do you think it really matters what North Korea's retarded state ideology is actually labeled as?

Well I was confused because I thought you meant the Azov battalion. And no, if you're talking about poltards the reason they go to bat for Putin is because they have some odd misconceived notion that he's /theirguy/ and wants to make the white race great again or some other ethnonationalist/supremacist horseshit. Which goes towards my point that it's not exactly unexpected because horseshoe theory isn't really all that accurate. Yes, you'd think they'd be against the dude who's openly against anti-semitism but, their core principles about "whiteness" and their obvious misunderstandings played it out differently.

Your problem is you are assuming people's ideological justifications are actually their real motivations or that the ideological component is what they are mainly invested in instead of using that ideology as a bandwagon means to an end. Nah, I don't believe this has to do with with some ridiculous idea that Putin is standing up for the white race. You completely undermine that yourself since their number one argument is Jews=evil, and Putin can't stop talking about how much he loves jews and even Israel.

You also ignore the fact /pol/ also salivated over non-white leaders with beyond zero connection to their ideology. In those cases, whiteness isn't even an element. The ideology is a pretense, and they seem even semi-aware of that. It's the strong man element that draws them in.

 

[Broadside]

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Hiding what citizens say from state agencies? That's literally what dictators do!

Elon is one of those great figures like Trump where I didn't give a single fuck about their existence (and thought they were weird faggots tbh) but seeing them drive the absolute worst of society into a collective hissy fit has earned my respect

 

[Meat Target]

Hiding what citizens say from state agencies? That's literally what dictators do!

Elon is one of those great figures like Trump where I didn't give a single fuck about their existence (and thought they were weird faggots tbh) but seeing them drive the absolute worst of society into a collective hissy fit has earned my respect

It's just nice to see someone with power and influence express independent thought from their peers for once.

I don't expect Musk to save us from the libtards, but it's just a relief from the gaggle of Cathedralites endlessly circlejerking about how much better they are than us damn dirty peasants.

 

[quaawaa]

It's somewhat fruitless to try and boil down politics like this in the first place, but if we're talking specifically the modern American right and left, then you're correct. The right tends to lean more libertarian and the left leans more authoritarian, but to me, horseshoe theory just means "The more politically extreme you become, the more likely you are to adopt authoritarian practices, regardless of your principles." Libertarians/ancoms/ancaps are the exception to this of course.
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The political compass is stupid because two of its quadrants (libertarian left and authoritarian right) don’t exist in the real world. Fascism and National Socialism are both placed in “authoritarian right”, yet both are explicitly left-wing ideologies only a hair removed from communism. Every single leftist issue requires state control to enforce, so “left libertarian” is an oxymoron. Horseshoe theory is to the political spectrum as epicycles are to circular orbits: a way to patch up a fundamentally flawed theory that contradicts reality.

What happens when you remove those two quadrants from the political compass? You end up with a line stretching from complete and total control (1984/socialism) on the absolute far left to a complete lack of control (anarcho-capitalism) on the absolute far right.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

It's just nice to see someone with power and influence express independent thought from their peers for once.

I don't expect Musk to save us from the libtards, but it's just a relief from the gaggle of Cathedralites endlessly circlejerking about how much better they are than us damn dirty peasants.

"We wish only to bring Unity to the wasteland, and end the division."

 

[OrsonZedd]

If you think that's bad, try fucking with Null for a couple of hours.

Why would I do that? Null isn't a hypocrite

 

[AGPinochet]

Uh things are getting a little spicy, second is in a response to more Ghislane Maxwell stuff.

 

[Josterman]

 

[Flying Whale]

Has anyone tried to explain why 43 billion dollars is the magic number to end world hunger? Or was it always gonna be whatever amount Elon Musk used to buy twitter.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

Has anyone tried to explain why 43 billion dollars is the magic number to end world hunger? Or was it always gonna be whatever amount Elon Musk used to buy twitter.

Why are you answering your own rhetorical question?

 

[Meat Target]

The camp that pisses and wails about "CoNsPiRAcy ThEoRiEs", faced with being told "no", comes up with this.

 

[Random Internet Person]

HOW MUCH IS THAT BIRDIE IN THE WINDOW?​

Elon Musk’s buyout of Twitter is a done deal. At the end, those in control of Twitter couldn’t resist his fat offer of $44 billion. After all, it wasn’t exactly chicken feed.
Musk has expressed a strong desire to return free speech to what once was a public square known as Twitter. Once he’s in control, can we expect the reinstatement of all the conservatives who got banned? Let’s hope GrrrGraphics will be included. We had nearly 300,000 followers when Twitter suddenly shut us down. They claimed we were ‘spamming’ their platform. (Forget what Wikipedia says about it, that page about me is chock full of lies and erroneous information).

Naturally the left is terrified by the takeover news. Musk is a loose cannon among the billionairiat class. He doesn’t go along with CRT or wokeism. Hillary is probably worried that a legion of deplorables will soon be back on Twitter to spread nasty memes and ‘disinformation’ about her. Obama and Hillary claim free speech is a threat to their democracy. Musk sees free speech as integral to democracy. All he has to do now is clean house, fire the current racist, anti-white CEO and return Twitter back to a neutral platform.

It sounds great, but will it happen? I have my doubts. Pardon my cynicism, but it all seems too easy. Can we really expect that the Deep State, the WEF, the CIA, and the central bankers will allow common folk to use Twitter as a platform to question the ‘official’ narratives about vaccines, the man-made climate change bunk, and the disgusting war mongering in Ukraine? These criminals have spent far too much time stamping out free speech after Trump was elected. They’re not going to easily give up and allow Twitter to revert back to the good ol’ days.

Twitter was on its way out well before Musk showed up. It excoriated nearly half of its user base—conservatives. Those allowed to remain are the Hollywood limousine liberal crowd, the LGBTQ-ETC types, Democrats, the leftist media entities, and the groomer crowd. It was becoming an irrelevant echo chamber plagued with bots. Its stock was in decline and many predicted it would go the way of MySpace. In a way, Musk rescued Twitter—and at a ridiculous price at that. Why would he spend $44 billion when he could have easily created a similar platform for half the price?

Will the wealthy among the left refuse to buy his Teslas? Isn’t Musk afraid of that? The electric car is aligned with the globalists’ climate change agenda. The rich on the left find his cars to be status symbols—they engage in virtue signaling on wheels. The rabble certainly can’t afford them, but Musk is welcoming that rabble back on Twitter.

Musk is no free speech purist. He has tried to shut down criticism of his precious Tesla in the past. Will he get rid of users who criticize his company on Twitter? Was Musk somehow selected to buy out Twitter in order to restore its reputation in time for the midterms—thereby giving the left more credibility? In other words, he might talk about restoring free speech, but the fulfillment of his promise might be intentionally delayed until well after those midterms.


Something isn’t adding up here. Let’s see if Musk can really get his bird off the ground. I truly hope he does restore free speech on Twitter. Only then will I trust Musk.

— Ben Garrison

TWITTER BIRD NEEDS A WORKOUT​

From Twitter’s soy boy founder, Jack Dorsey, to the “blue check mark” mob that patrolled Twitter like BLM looking for a well stocked store to loot, no one can deny Twitter leans hard left.

The incredible uproar from the left over Elon Musk’s recent purchase of Twitter tells you who supports free speech and who wants to shut it down. The left is running the “Trump” playbook on Elon Musk, calling the billionaire “racist” “nazi” and the usual accusations they reserve for people who don’t follow the woke narrative. Musk is taking it all in stride and with a sense of humor which makes him much more appealing than the frothing woke mob.


Funny things are starting to happen on the platform. Such as conservative accounts gaining thousands of followers in days, even hours. Blue check mark wokesters are losing thousands of followers. Looks like the bots are being removed and the right wing shadow banning switch is being turned off. Or is Twitter just “burning the evidence”?

Twitter has been playing fast and loose with it’s investors too, claiming millions of more users than they really had..for the last three years. Did Musk over pay for Twitter? Looks like it.

Musk has his work cut out for himself if he expects to turn the fat blue bird into a free speech athlete.

-Tina

 

[Catloaf]

Has anyone tried to explain why 43 billion dollars is the magic number to end world hunger? Or was it always gonna be whatever amount Elon Musk used to buy twitter.

It was 6 billion dollars announced by the UN's WFP. Now troons and leftists are reeing because he could do it multiple times or something like that iirc

 

[linchan]

It was 6 billion dollars announced by the UN's WFP. Now troons and leftists are reeing because he could do it multiple times or something like that iirc

If that's the case, the US government alone could have ended world hunger several times with amount of money they are sending to Ukraine.