Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

L50LasPak said:
Yeah, but that's kind of the problem. Any race can invent technology that eats your soul. The Borg are supposed to be something special, since they're far older and much more advanced than just about anything else.

Also specific to Star Trek is the problem that, if cybernetics eat your soul, why is it that only the Borg ended up the way they did? Shouldn't there be other cyberhivemind races that fell into the same trap? Star Trek has lots of races that fell to plagues, nuclear war, alien invasion, subspace assholes, or ruled over by insane AI, etc, but the closest we see to the Borg from anyone else are Bynars from that TNG episode where they rip off Star Trek 3. Obviously the out of universe explanation for this is that its a blind spot the writers couldn't really see back in the day since technology hadn't reduced society to a howling dystopian nightmare yet, but in universe it suggests there's something specific to the Borg that made them fall to it.

There's also the perennial joke explanation that the Borg were a civilization that fell prey to a Paperclip Maximizer AI, but that kind of goes back to the same problem I just said above.
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For me the Borg came from the discarded soulless husks Q left behind when they ascended. It hasn't happened again to other species because Q keep a lid on shit like that, retroactively fucking with the timeline, but they can't prevent the Borg from ever existing or really eradicate them because technobabble.
That's also why Q don't want to fuck with the Borg, it'd be an existential threat to them. Not because the Borg are too powerful, but because they're intrinsically linked and connected.
Also, somethingsomething Borg seek Omega to break the loop and link to Q so the Borg can ascend to perfection themselves.
 
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Meriasek said:
For me the Borg came from the discarded soulless husks Q left behind when they ascended. It hasn't happened again to other species because Q keep a lid on shit like that, retroactively fucking with the timeline, but they can't prevent the Borg from ever existing or really eradicate them because technobabble.
That's also why Q don't want to fuck with the Borg, it'd be an existential threat to them. Not because the Borg are too powerful, but because they're intrinsically linked and connected.
Also, somethingsomething Borg seek Omega to break the loop and link to Q so the Borg can ascend to perfection themselves.
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Nice idea but the Q are supposed to be the final form of Humanity, they have essentially survived to the end to time and space and then foudn themselves masters of it, the Q are not frightend of teh Bog but what the borg have the possibility to to become and thats the final species dominant through the galaxy thus negating there own existence.
 
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Allanon said:
The only problem is that he will absolutely cut his losses when it's time to cut losses. If you're a nobody and saving you would risk the rest of the crew, you're just dead.
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Admittedly its not too often we actually see a ton of people die just because they didn't do the cold logical thing in Star Trek. The only thing that comes to mind right away is actually Voyager in Year of Hell with the deck decompression scene. That said, realistically, I wouldn't want a bunch of the crew to die trying to save my ass either. Unless I really hated my post.

Allanon said:
The problem I have with Bones is that while he has the buff of being TOS crew and therefore has some of the most staggering feats, I believe he's also the doctor who most often fails to save his patients. People die on his watch all the time, and not just in a 'we have a full infirmary and people are dying off all around us' kind of situation. The EMH technically also has all of Bones' skills and teachings pre-programmed into him, so he's close to a strict improvement.
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Most of the time when Bones loses a patient its to establish the brand new threat that he later cures in the same episode. So I guess under Bones you're really fucked if you're the first one to come down with something and he can't tell you what it is right away. Or he can tell you what it is, but he's never seen it before.
 
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Phalanges Mycologist said:
Nice idea but the Q are supposed to be the final form of Humanity, they have essentially survived to the end to time and space and then foudn themselves masters of it, the Q are not frightend of teh Bog but what the borg have the possibility to to become and thats the final species dominant through the galaxy thus negating there own existence.
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The Borg are also humanity's future after some timeline fuckery. Future humanity is also the proto-humanoid species that jizzed on all the planets to create all the humanoid species to begin with.
Star Trek is really the ultimate HUMANITY FUCK YEAH story where everything starts and stops with humans fucking with the timeline like they're Captain Kirk and time is green alien poontang.
Jokes aside, was it actually really established somewhere that Q was supposed to be some final evolution of humanity?
 
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Meriasek said:
The Borg are also humanity's future after some timeline fuckery.
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Allanon said:
It's very hard to expand Seven into Annika and retain the feeling of 'Seven'. But that's especially so when she has no one to bounce off of.
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Seven works best as a foil to more headstrong and brash characters.

Nu Seven is too in-line with the rest of the crew: running off against advice, cocksure of herself, a human train wreck. They're all too similar to really be foils, in my opinion.
 
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Has anyone ever confirmed the rumour that "Q Who" was given its name due to the fact that the creation of the Borg was essentially ripping off the Cyber-Men?
 
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Sex Cannon Lupa said:
Sisco's a war criminal. Fuck him. (Imagine if some random negro captain poisoned your state because an antifa faggot ran there after attacking a ship.)
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Real-life militaries often run by the principle that as soon as someone on the other side commits a war crime, all bets are off. Eddington was the first one in that conflict to use biological weapons even if it technically wasn't against the Federation, so while I doubt Starfleet were thrilled about Sisko's actions, that's probably why he seemed to get off so easily for it.

Admittedly, that same principle also means they also couldn't have charged Eddington with use of biological weapons. They'd just have to settle for charging him with treason, desertion, theft, espionage, smuggling, aiding and abetting an enemy combatant, etc.
 
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Die Dunkle Maus said:
I haven't seen this show at all, haven't watched Trek since DS9.

They for real have a 400-lb crew member? Like, she's a member of Star Fleet?

HARD PASS
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Not quite that bad but she's big, like would fail any medical requirement for military / naval service a human could be expected to conform to.

There is a lot - LOT worse in Discovery than Ensign chubby cheeks, and bring tissues the cast cry... a lot, a hell of a lot.
 
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L50LasPak said:
I'm going to pick Spock as Captain by the way. Being a trainee under him on the Enterprise looks like it would have been a blast, other than the whole getting blown up by Khan thing which was Kirk's fault anyway. Also, once Kirk gets taken hostage by the Klingons, Spock pulls an entire rescue operation out of his ass and successfully infiltrates Klingon space with zero casualties. He's also less uptight in the movies than he was in the show.

Doctors is a hard one. I'm inclined to go with Bones since he's the most dedicated, and he's almost never taken out of action even when the ship is falling apart around him. The EMH would be my runner up. He's always on call, hyper competent, and because its Voyager he has more ridiculous technobabble solutions at his disposal.
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You're crazy to pick Spock as a captain. When he led the expedition team to study the inhabitants of a planet in the episode where the Enterprise was going to deliver a cure to save an population, he made every wrong decision, got crew members killed due to his "logic" & nearly stranded them on the planet.

He was the only high ranking member of the series that had a crew around him mutiny.
 
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HarryHowler said:
And, just to keep things fair, the first two seasons of Enterprise did give these new shows a run for their money in the continuity errors department. In the pilot episode alone we had the Federation making first contact with the Klingons about 50 years early, Qo'nos somehow being closer to Earth than Alpha Centauri, and the first contact itself being A-OK instead of a disaster that resulted in a century of hostilities between them.
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Don't forget first contact with the Ferengi and Archer escaping Rura Penthe by essentially waking out the back door.
 
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JamesFargo said:
I believe the actual answer is Lorca did it because she's known to be crazy-loyal on his side.
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I honestly liked Lorca - he was one of the few believable Officers in Trek dammaged in the second major war of his carrier and his sides losing and he feels that he can be better used else ware until that Spore Drive muguffin becomes effective.
 
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