Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Lol, cults

We've been living and dying this way for a couple thousand while producing great artists and scientists and running an empire here and there so not bad for a bunch of fringe nuts I guess.

 

[b0x]

Related to your post because I've noticed a pretty common theme is trooning out as an alternative to actually fixing yourself. Instead of losing weight, learning how to meet people, figuring out why you're in dead-end jobs, etc, just change gender! Magically become your idealized fantasy of the opposite sex just by a trip through the clothing department!

So what will be the next step in LGBTQA+? Are people going to wait until then to speak up? Or will people be so overcome by then they'll do nothing?

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

Troons deny hard biological facts as men and women are biologically different and one cannot become the other no matter what extent the treatments a person undergoes in the process.

The shift in gender ideology has been really interesting. When I was growing up, I heard it as "sex and gender can be different", and that trans women understand that they were born male but identify as women and want to be seen that way. I was like, okay, I understand the logic. They aren't denying the biological reality, but they want to be seen a certain way in society and almost everyone takes steps to be seen in a particular way whether it's related to gender or not. But now the argument is that there is apparently no such thing as biological sex, and the "evidence" is that every once in a while someone's chromosomes are fucked up at birth. That's like saying people don't normally have two arms just because sometimes people are born without them.

Anyway, this opens up wonderful questions like "why do you need a neovagina if there's nothing inherently feminine about a vagina?" or "why do you need estrogen when testosterone is just as feminine, since biological sex doesn't exist anyway?" It's just absolutely nuts. By transitioning, they're acknowledging that biological sex is a real thing because otherwise why would you feel the need to look that way?

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

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Translation: I am a massive sperg.

the account is pretty easy to find just typing that into google. This dude seems to tweet pretty often for someone with 16 followers

 

[snake aids]

the account is pretty easy to find just typing that into google. This dude seems to tweet pretty often for someone with 16 followers

Oh God lol, maybe I should delete it. I don't wanna doxx myself. Sorry about that. It would probably be very easy to find out who I am and I don't really want that because I'm a bit of a tard.

 

[Agarathium1066]

Related to your post because I've noticed a pretty common theme is trooning out as an alternative to actually fixing yourself. Instead of losing weight, learning how to meet people, figuring out why you're in dead-end jobs, etc, just change gender! Magically become your idealized fantasy of the opposite sex just by a trip through the clothing department!

It's a real shame as these people are usually already in a poor way either due to some physical failings. Frequently physical failings being twisted further by mental issues that are only exacerbated by this ideologically driven mauling of their body and mind.

They DO need support, they do need some care from others in these times but they won't listen to anyone who ins't involved in the usual lovebombing shenanigans.

 

[Noir drag freak]

Plenty of "homophobes" think that gayness as a trait is not real in the way activists say it is real. They question "born this way" and the idea that it is a natural variation that should be accepted as within the range of normal for human sexuality. They will argue that homosexuality is a behavior that is learned through child abuse, social pressure and social contagion, and political manipulation.

Most serious academics and researchers argue that the origin of homosexuality is complex. Even homosexuals like myself and others have argued and questioned the narrative of "born this way". Besides, early homosexual rights activist had wildly different perspectives on the origin and the development of homosexuality.

The reason even conservative religious communities are falling to the LGBQWERTY onslaught is there's always that one guy who says, "Is it really expressing Christian love to treat these people with anger and contempt? They need the love of Christ, just like everyone else, and are sinners, just like us. Jesus ate with the prostitutes and sinners, you know. How would he treat an Alphabet Person? Can we, as the Christian community, really say we're without sin here? Perhaps it's the un-Christlike hatred we've shown these people over generations that has resulted in this backlash, and we need to search ourselves first before passing judgement." Then they turn anyone who was a little weak-kneed against anybody who is trying to keep the wolves out of the fold for being "un-Christlike."

Source: Personal experience

You'll be surprised of the number of people that attend Christian churches that care little for doctrine. I had a friend that attended church just for the sense of community. In the United States, doctrine is not taught like it should be and most people use church as a form of networking.

 

[Punitive Castration]

Mentioned a couple weeks ago that I would be trapped "like Pac Man with no fruit" in a room containing some troons, day one of that is in the can.

Notable observations:

It's really funny how even when it takes you a moment to clock someone from far away, even in a loud space where you can't hear people very clearly, simply hearing the bass of a man's voice is enough to give him away. I saw what in the first half second looked like a woman, mouth moving, and had an uncanny feeling that I was hearing a man's voice from her direction. Then the details kicked in and he stopped passing at all.

The troon I'm acquainted with had, unfortunately, plenty of Progressive women to bother. So he didn't have to pester me at all. Standing to the side with a friend we observed him hugging, practically slow dancing, a shitfaced autistic girl. After at least three minutes of consecutive euphoric hugging and back rubbing they parted ways, she stumbled away from him and bumped into us, barely coherent and muttering. I wanted to do something then, but what? She initiated it, she was basically treating him like a big Disney Mascot suit, hey kids gather round the tranny, I've seen trannies like you on TV, I'm a big fan of trannies can I give you a hug..? I feel protective but she would not understand how she had been taken advantage of. They take from women in abstract ways, this morning she woke up and probably thought to herself "why did I hug him for so long?" And not fully understanding what he got out of that interaction.

Fortunately my cultivated terven group grew a little bit even just from that. It's not like religion, it's simply something that everyone believes and won't say until they share in the experience of not being allowed to stop a fat boy from grappling a drunk woman under threat of being called a bigot.

Outside of that there were a few other women totally willing to listen to him blithering so I'm sure he'll have a major crash once this is through and he's back to his ordinary situation where literally no women are ever around him.

 

[The Ugly One]

The shift in gender ideology has been really interesting. When I was growing up, I heard it as "sex and gender can be different", and that trans women understand that they were born male but identify as women and want to be seen that way. I was like, okay, I understand the logic. They aren't denying the biological reality, but they want to be seen a certain way in society and almost everyone takes steps to be seen in a particular way whether it's related to gender or not. But now the argument is that there is apparently no such thing as biological sex, and the "evidence" is that every once in a while someone's chromosomes are fucked up at birth. That's like saying people don't normally have two arms just because sometimes people are born without them.

Anyway, this opens up wonderful questions like "why do you need a neovagina if there's nothing inherently feminine about a vagina?" or "why do you need estrogen when testosterone is just as feminine, since biological sex doesn't exist anyway?" It's just absolutely nuts. By transitioning, they're acknowledging that biological sex is a real thing because otherwise why would you feel the need to look that way?

Nobody's giving trannies what they want because they're making logical arguments and demonstrating anything with evidence. They're using shaming, bullying, and threats to either get into power, or get people in power to do what they want.

 

[pwnest injun]

I've known a few people who were transexual, back when that was a thing, and they were all cool. They just wanted to be people and they wanted to live as the opposite sex does, in all their trappings. No big deal. Now transgender, I've had a few friends who have gone off that cliff. In both of the cases where I had a good idea of their history, there were a bunch of common elements. First and foremost is late stage internet addiction. They need to be online always. Computer terminal junkies. They also shifted from being sort of liberal/libertarian to intersectional feminist authoritarian leftists. Finally, and most importantly, they have let their new "queer identity" completely subsume everything else about their personality. It's all they talk about and it's boring as fuck, so I don't mess with them anymore. You lose people in life. Not worth dwelling on it too much. One was actually a good friend and I literally mourned him when he told me how much he looked up to Lena Dunham. I knew at that moment that he was going to kill himself, sooner or later. C'est la vie..

 

[Nate Scully 025]

Been waffling on posting here for awhile, and finally decided I might as well whilst catching up on Kevin Gibes thread and seeing it mentioned again.

I’ve had a pretty large section of my friend group (that I’m still apart of) transition more and more LGBT-what the fuck ever over the years. Being a nerd, probably shouldn’t be surprising that it’s primarily a gaming group, having originally started with us playing tabletop games but occasionally doing other shit. Got into it because I met a member in real life that I shared a college course with, and we started hanging out. I loved these people to death, and still do. But…

My best friend is now ‘poly sexual’ and is fine with using ‘any pronouns’. This hasn’t changed much for me, but it’s still a point have to be mindful treading on. His change is the most understandable to me, since he had daddy issues (not without reason, his dads a legitimate jackass), but it still just feels like he’s acting out against his right-leaning father. His girlfriend now uses ‘they/them’ and is ‘Ace’… I think on the latter bit. It’s really hard to keep track of this shit tbh. Anyway, she’s always been much more openly lefty than my friend was (he’s much worse about that now, but I try and keep political discussions out of our conversations), and an artist, so considering how much time she spent on Twitter and Tumblr… not exactly shocked there either. And the last major one went from being a pretty standard Californian lefty, doing art on the side but having a stable job and boyfriend, to now being a lesbian Wiccan who is paid solely off her art now. That last one is honestly the hardest to deal with, as she legitimately insists she can cast spells. Considering the environment, I have to just stay quiet, seeing as my actual Roman Catholic stance of ‘no, you really aren’t doing any magic, and if you somehow were, see a priest’ wouldn’t go over well in this crowd.

Now, I unloaded a lot of shit there… but I still really do love these people… even if some days they don’t feel the same at all. Not asking nor expecting any miracle cures for the situation, but still figured I’d go ahead and share, in the hopes it’d at least let me stop keeping this bottled in everywhere, even if just to have this laughed off by people who have it way worse than I.

 

[snake aids]

Spoiler: Long sperg, sorry

So, one of my exes friends who I'm still in contact with has gone the agender/nonbinary route. He's using it pronouns. Its fucking infuriating that this shit rubs off on like, the entire little nerdy group. I stayed in contact with this guy because my ex always shit talked him and they weren't super close. My ex constantly used him for his money which he inherited after his father died. I'm really upset, he's such a cool guy. So far he hasn't really changed other than some name and the it pronoun but I'm scared he will become insufferable. Also, I'm 90% sure my ex is in possession of child porn. I don't know how to report it or how to prove anything, but I know he would lurk the "minor NSFW" twitter community and I saw some questionable porn in his computer files before (I wasn't looking through his stuff, he just had stuff open). I hate this shit, I hate the way everything is now. At least my psychologist understands and agrees.

I deeply apologise for sperging out here every so often, I probably look like some insane BPD woman haha.
Edit: I am retarded, removed some stuff because it was 100% incorrect and embarrassing that I ever posted.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I truly do not comprehend how people keep "enby" and troon friends even if they are supposedly "based." How "based" can a person be when they are asking everyone they meet in the world to lie and perjure themselves in order to play along with a sexual malfunction/fetish?

I feel sick just having to be civil to them from across the room. If you're friends with them and think you're staying grounded, someone involved is lying to himself.

 

[DumbDude42]

I truly do not comprehend how people keep "enby" and troon friends even if they are supposedly "based." How "based" can a person be when they are asking everyone they meet in the world to lie and perjure themselves in order to play along with a sexual malfunction/fetish?

I feel sick just having to be civil to them from across the room. If you're friends with them and think you're staying grounded, someone involved is lying to himself.

it's hard to cut people off if you've been close for a long time
like, there's cases of fuckup kids whose close friends and family still stand by them even after they do horrendous shit like steal and pawn off grandmas jewelry for drug money. it hurts, but cutting them off completely would hurt even more

 

[Nate Scully 025]

it's hard to cut people off if you've been close for a long time
like, there's cases of fuckup kids whose close friends and family still stand by them even after they do horrendous shit like steal and pawn off grandmas jewelry for drug money. it hurts, but cutting them off completely would hurt even more

Right on the money with me at least as well, yeah. I won’t even claim that my friends based or anything the like… but fuck, I’ve known these people going on five years or so. For god’s sake, these friends were there for me after I tried offing myself (I was a moron, not really anything relevant to the thread), and I might not have been able to pick myself back up had it not been for them. Tossing aside relationships like that is really damned hard, and I just can’t manage it.

Not yet, at least. The second any of them speak a word about pedo/‘MAP’ shit, they’d better be out or I walk. There’s other lines I’ve got… but I’d rather not invite shit in by talking about it.

I respect people who can just cleanly cut long term friends out of their lives, but I’ve been trying to form friend groups outside of them to recent success. Hopefully I won’t ‘need’ to jump ship to them for some online socialization… but I’ve got the options, if worst comes to worst.

 

[snake aids]

I truly do not comprehend how people keep "enby" and troon friends even if they are supposedly "based." How "based" can a person be when they are asking everyone they meet in the world to lie and perjure themselves in order to play along with a sexual malfunction/fetish?

I feel sick just having to be civil to them from across the room. If you're friends with them and think you're staying grounded, someone involved is lying to himself.

Yeah that's true. I guess you're right. I don't really agree with it, I think it's dumb but at least they aren't mutilating themselves...? Just delusional. The dude I'm probably just going to cut off, we aren't close and I will never see him in person again. Based is the wrong word, just not as fucking gross as the average troon. But yeah my apologies, I'm a massive tard.

it's hard to cut people off if you've been close for a long time
like, there's cases of fuckup kids whose close friends and family still stand by them even after they do horrendous shit like steal and pawn off grandmas jewelry for drug money. it hurts, but cutting them off completely would hurt even more

Exactly.. Most of these people I've been friends with for over 4 years. I hate the change but at least they're not as God damn annoying or disgusting like Kevin Gibes. It's really conflicting and I don't know what to think anymore. All I know is I don't like it.

Right on the money with me at least as well, yeah. I won’t even claim that my friends based or anything the like… but fuck, I’ve known these people going on five years or so. For god’s sake, these friends were there for me after I tried offing myself (I was a moron, not really anything relevant to the thread), and I might not have been able to pick myself back up had it not been for them. Tossing aside relationships like that is really damned hard, and I just can’t manage it.

Not yet, at least. The second any of them speak a word about pedo/‘MAP’ shit, they’d better be out or I walk. There’s other lines I’ve got… but I’d rather not invite shit in by talking about it.

I respect people who can just cleanly cut long term friends out of their lives, but I’ve been trying to form friend groups outside of them to recent success. Hopefully I won’t ‘need’ to jump ship to them for some online socialization… but I’ve got the options, if worst comes to worst.

Yeah, I feel you. I wish you luck with making new friends. Definitely easier to slowly distance yourself rather than immediately cut off.

My ex was never really a "MAP" type, but he clearly had pedo-ish tendencies. I was a fucking idiot and decided to just overlook it because I was and still am young and dumb. There was a lot of manipulation and careful wording I hadn't realised until recently. I feel so embarrassed for ever being with a freak like that. People tried to tell me but I just didn't listen and here I am, suffering the consequences of being a retard. Low IQ moment.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

I respect people who can just cleanly cut long term friends out of their lives

Live in the present, not in the past or the future-to-come. Sure, they used to be pretty alright, and sure, maybe they could turn it around, but right now, they're a drain on you at best. A lot of people who go through rough patches, when you try to help them out - you'll have to grit through the vitriol or the bile, but you'll also get a sense of them underneath. Sometimes that's a trap, but sometimes it's also a sign that your efforts have a purpose, so you might be able to help them. But you can never really 'save' them, given that's up to them.

You'll not really find any of that when an individual or a group hops on the transtrender train, either as a trender or as an "ally." Everything gets subsumed into the zeitgeist, and the primary mode of communication is via references to pop culture. Once you value yourself and your time, the sheer vapidity these once-deep friendships will bear on your nerves far more than will the nostalgia of remembering their former selves.

People tried to tell me but I just didn't listen and here I am, suffering the consequences of being a retard. Low IQ moment.

posting things like this and carrying the requisite aura put off by having such a self-image is only going to attract more weirdos like that. they seek it out, often unconsciously
calm down, shit happens

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Yeah that's true. I guess you're right. I don't really agree with it, I think it's dumb but at least they aren't mutilating themselves...? Just delusional. The dude I'm probably just going to cut off, we aren't close and I will never see him in person again. Based is the wrong word, just not as fucking gross as the average troon. But yeah my apologies, I'm a massive tard.

Exactly.. Most of these people I've been friends with for over 4 years. I hate the change but at least they're not as God damn annoying or disgusting like Kevin Gibes. It's really conflicting and I don't know what to think anymore. All I know is I don't like it.

Yeah, I feel you. I wish you luck with making new friends. Definitely easier to slowly distance yourself rather than immediately cut off.

My ex was never really a "MAP" type, but he clearly had pedo-ish tendencies. I was a fucking idiot and decided to just overlook it because I was and still am young and dumb. There was a lot of manipulation and careful wording I hadn't realised until recently. I feel so embarrassed for ever being with a freak like that. People tried to tell me but I just didn't listen and here I am, suffering the consequences of being a retard. Low IQ moment.

It's alright, you're fine. Hell, that's part of what leads people into troonism to begin with, is anxiety and a constant sense of contrition along with social isolation that makes them want to escape themselves and withdraw from people to the safety of their cults that will reassure them. It's much better to accept bad ("bad") things that happen as irremovable parts of yourself, and that you can't take pride in the good things you have without accepting the bad things were equal parts in the recipe that has lead to what you are now. Besides, what's bad or good all depends on how you look at things and what you take from it: you can find value in some unexpected places if you're willing to look for it.
You've got to have some faith in people too, most of them are a whole lot more screwed up than you think, they just try not to show it for the same reason you try not to. By and large they're all pretty mixed up and pretty lonely nowadays.

Look at it this way: like I said previously, I've never known anyone personally who's done this trooning bullshit, so it's only because of people like you and places like this that I know the experience of being party to it and how it progresses. Obviously I'm just some person online, but my point is that this is how things improve; by taking bad shit and collectively trying to glean any good people can from it. Consider it social recycling.

Apologies for the intense gayness, but this thread's already extremely feminine so I figure it's not too out of line.

Homosex is a sin, crossdressing is a sin. Sinners receive sharp rebukes. Saved people who sin receive sharp rebukes. I hate this generic feel good message nonsense.

Pretty much every weird or nerdy female friend I had in high-school is now a they/them. They're also unhappy, fat, potato shaped people with no aspirations, histrionic, have a laundry list of exaggerated illness both physical and mental. Most of them are addicted to social media. And they all say the same thing, over and over. I can guess what hobby they've taken up based on what hobby is popular. They're bugwomen.

You aren't being ironic I'm guessing?

But you are a nerdy bugwoman who is fat, histrionic, unhappy, and potato-shaped with no aspirations...oh, I'm sorry, you've decided to call the people you don't like "sinners" instead of "bigots". Much better.

 

[Eggwhore]

Pretty surprised that as a zoomer with a fairly liberal social circle nobody close to me has trooned out yet. Maybe bc most of my friends and family arent nerdy or autistic/mentally ill?

 

[InteracialBowelSyndrome]

Our public education curriculum is overun by groomers and leftists, and kids here are being taught gender identity at a young age.

My neighbor's 13 year old girl already says she's a boy. He's divorced from her mother, and she supports the troonery, he doesn't. He told another neighbor that he was worried that "rejecting" his daughter's new made-up identity would result in his ex wife calling CPS or denying him time with his daughter. Poor guy.