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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
This argument only makes sense if you ignore the responsibility element. The people getting an abortion often don't use protection or alternatives before just having raw sex and getting knocked up. You can make the claim that they did use protection for about 5-10% of abortions (and that's being generous) but the other 90-95%? Even harder to argue is that hospitals will give birth control for free often, and low cost birth control is easily affordable by the most poor citizens (or at least it used to be)

It's not the pro-lifers fault the pro-choice person can't act like a responsible adult, however it can force them to reconsider their actions and act responsibly instead of trying to emulate dat porn star life. Also many pro-lifers would adopt even more children if adoption agencies didn't make it a three ring circus to adopt. It's also not the pro-lifer who may not want to have to fund an irresponsible prat's abortion out of his/her tax money since more often than not the abortion-bound don't finance their own with a few exceptions (The elite cases)

Pro-choicers: "It's about my health! I should be able to have that option as a responsible adult.
[Pro-choicers proceed to ignore responsible alternatives and options]
Pro-Choicer: Hee Hee! I don't need to be responsible when big daddy government will just fund my irresponsible decisions.

Y'all are acting like birth control has a 100% non-failure rate.

And that incest and rape don't happen.

And that all pregnancies are viable and safe for the mother to carry to term.

And before you say: 'well, they should make allowances for that', Ireland didn't, so why would bumfuck USA?

No one should be forced to carry a child to term, no one should be forced to take a vaccine/medication, no one should be forced to donate organs.

The right to life and liberty should envelope all bodily autonomy.
 
Y'all are acting like birth control has a 100% non-failure rate.

And that incest and rape don't happen.

And that all pregnancies are viable and safe for the mother to carry to term.

And before you say: 'well, they should make allowances for that', Ireland didn't, so why would bumfuck USA?

No one should be forced to carry a child to term, no one should be forced to take a vaccine/medication, no one should be forced to donate organs.

The right to life and liberty should envelope all bodily autonomy.

You are talking about a rate that is often very low I don't have the actual stats on me but I remember it being within the .00X rate of having a failure per usage. It's why failures of birth control are often around 1% of total abortions up to around 3%.

Incest and rape are also primarily rare, alongside birth control failures which accumulates directly around 5% of total abortions. I gave it up to 10% total but that was being generous as mentioned prior.

Ireland is not the USA and how the government works is also different.

No one is being forced to carry a child to term IF they take preventative measures, using the 1-10% group to argue on behalf of the majority of abortions is silly. The right to life and liberty would be fine to envelope all bodily autonomy aas long as it isn't coming out of my wallet, once it is, MY wallet MY choice.
 
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I’m actually okay with this. It’s too bad the death penalty isn’t just automatically applied to convicted rapists though. That would be my ideal justice system.
ironically, when debating criminality and punishment, it's mostly men who demand harsher punishments for criminals, while women generally oppose such demands
 
"If you're pro-life, you're anti-woman."

"If you're against abortion, you're pro-rape."

"If you don't want the vaccine, you're anti-science."

"If you've ever disagreed with me, you're a Nazi."

It's all so tiresome.
I'm absolutely pro-death. The world has enough niggers as is. I just want us to start admitting that abortion is pre-emptive child murder. It'd be a lot easier and a lot less retarded if we stopped acting like there's any good morals to it. You don't want a kid but were too lazy to get contraceptives. Is what it is. Got a family dog when I was a kid that I absolutely hated taking care of. Did some of it but not enough, though it was still more than most of the other people in my family. When he finally dies, I'm pretty sure it'll haunt me and them for the rest of our lives. But that's just what it is.

And rape is one of the least stated reasons for abortion, as is incest. It's hilarious.
 
@Snekposter
with a quality justice like the above they're basically serving as typists for their boss, who will explain the what, why, and how of their argument in precise detail, citing both existing law and their own logical thought processes: "This is what they said, this is why I agree/disagree, here's my own citations and arguments, now go write all that up."
How many are quality justices? Alito for sure is, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh probably, Barrett, I don't know much about her decisions and prior work. I heard Thomas goes for clerks with views like his and tells them what's what, and makes sure what they write is in line with that. Roberts could be but he cucks more often than not.
With Sotomayor, its pretty much guaranteed so long as the clerk says something that agrees with her, they're largely left alone to research and write the whole damn thing.
I heard this about her too but she's also made dumb as fuck statements in speeches and from the bench. She ain't no Oliver Wendell Holmes so its guaranteed her clerks do the thinking and writing.
 
ironically, when debating criminality and punishment, it's mostly men who demand harsher punishments for criminals, while women generally oppose such demands
Hmm, I'm noticing a trend of women demanding the state intercede to prevent anyone from having to face the consequences of their actions.

That's surely the way towards a healthy society.
 
@Snekposter

How many are quality justices? Alito for sure is, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh probably, Barrett, I don't know much about her decisions and prior work. I heard Thomas goes for clerks with views like his and tells them what's what, and makes sure what they write is in line with that. Roberts could be but he cucks more often than not.

I heard this about her too but she's also made dumb as fuck statements in speeches and from the bench. She ain't no Oliver Wendell Holmes so its guaranteed her clerks do the thinking and writing.
If we look further back, I think the Wise Latina and Scalia were considered exceptional justices, right?

I find it funny no one mentioned Breyer here, but iirc he's pretty middle of the road with a really bad living constitution leaning.
 
You are talking about a rate that is often very low I don't have the actual stats on me but I remember it being within the .00X rate of having a failure per usage. It's why failures of birth control are often around 1% of total abortions up to around 3%.

Incest and rape are also primarily rare, alongside birth control failures which accumulates directly around 5% of total abortions. I gave it up to 10% total but that was being generous as mentioned prior.

Ireland is not the USA and how the government works is also different.

No one is being forced to carry a child to term IF they take preventative measures, using the 1-10% group to argue on behalf of the majority of abortions is silly. The right to life and liberty would be fine to envelope all bodily autonomy aas long as it isn't coming out of my wallet, once it is, MY wallet MY choice.

Yeah well, tiny percentages of the general population still makes up a giant amount of people. Sucks to be them I guess. I know of enough people who got into that situation while being 'ResponsibleTM'. Condom broke, one had an undiagnosed bowel disorder and shit out the pill (I kid you not) before it could be absorbed, one's body excreted the IUD, rendering it ineffective, etc.

So in your opinion, women should be able to get an abortion everywhere, as long as they pay for it?

And wouldn't it be more expensive to pay for all the abandoned children in foster care, and also the societal costs down the line (uptick in crime for example)?

How is it different from paying taxes for schooling, safe roads, hospitals or police protection? Or is that just because those are things you would actually use?
 
Yeah well, tiny percentages of the general population still makes up a giant amount of people. Sucks to be them I guess. I know of enough people who got into that situation while being 'ResponsibleTM'. Condom broke, one had an undiagnosed bowel disorder and shit out the pill (I kid you not) before it could be absorbed, one's body excreted the IUD, rendering it ineffective, etc.

So in your opinion, women should be able to get an abortion everywhere, as long as they pay for it?

And wouldn't it be more expensive to pay for all the abandoned children in foster care, and also the societal costs down the line (uptick in crime for example)?

How is it different from paying taxes for schooling, safe roads, hospitals or police protection? Or is that just because those are things you would actually use?
That doesn't make a valid argument. If I were to cortail to a society, would I curtail to the minority or the majority. The answer is obvious. You're wanting me to disregard common sense and logic to do the opposite. How about no. If they got into that situation in a large enough number they're either lying or you are exaggerating. It happens every now and then but it isn't that frequent.

If women were going to pay for it without being a net drain on society by advocating the government steal even MORE tax payers money, let's be honest most women aren't paying for their own abortions. Keep in mind I use to be pro-choice but I have some issues with how pro-choice carries itself and it's irresponsible behavior.

It'd be easier for women and men to learn to be responsible. Yet the dregs of society want me to pay for their issues. First off foster care wouldn't be an issue if adoption was made easier to obtain as mentioned prior. I know countless couples trying to qualify and can't.

It'd also be easier if women actually picked up birth control for free which many don't, I know I've seen the majority who say "It's expensive" (which is a lie) and or blatently don't even know about hospitals handing it out like candy for those in need. So let's not pretend a lot of people are going out and doing that, because they aren't.

Because those are roads I drive on, those hospitals I may potentially need/etc. Unless a woman is sharing her womb or allowing me to penetrate her I get no financial obligation or holding too of her children and or irresponsible actions. * (The rare exception excluded) When some women are getting multiple pregnancies and abortions draining the tax dollars that's not by accident, when multiple women are choosing to forgo condoms because raw "feels better." that's not a failure of birth control, and when women lie about these things it's less birth control being an issue, but them being irresponsible whores that is the issue. That is THEIR problem not mine, well with exception to the girls I get romantically involved with but I know how to handle myself.
 
Cool. Win, win.

I have strong doubts that this SC Court thing is real, so wait and see.
It seems to be really from the pen of Justice Alito, but still needs five justices to join that opinion and the joiners (or whatever) might suggest changes to the draft. It is still a draft. The harpy howling might be unneeded.
 
3. Modern-Day Slavery: I've seen a rise in folks doing gig economy work (Uber Eats, Lyft, etc) where they'll work at their own pace and make less than federal minimum wage after all taxes, wear and tear, etc is counted.
Slavery: the condition of voluntary employment for which you are paid an agreed upon amount of money for work you can walk away from any time you want.

Enough of this self-pitying, explicitly Marxist horse shit. "Every job doesn't provide benefits!" That's why they're side gigs you fucking imbecile.
 
It's actually rural people that are the problem, they are far more uneducated and promote a lot of the ideas that are causing issues right now in the country. Partly cause of religion but mostly cause of their shitty culture that needs to be stomped out. Why do you think the left all of a sudden became interested in guns lately?
Okay MovieBob.
 
And wouldn't it be more expensive to pay for all the abandoned children in foster care, and also the societal costs down the line (uptick in crime for example)?
the solution to this is to treat child abandonment as a major crime and throw the people who do it into jail
we already do this to deadbeat dads who skip on child support, no reason not to expand that sort of treatment it to shithead mothers like that
 
Y'all are acting like birth control has a 100% non-failure rate.

And that incest and rape don't happen.

And that all pregnancies are viable and safe for the mother to carry to term.

And before you say: 'well, they should make allowances for that', Ireland didn't, so why would bumfuck USA?

No one should be forced to carry a child to term, no one should be forced to take a vaccine/medication, no one should be forced to donate organs.

The right to life and liberty should envelope all bodily autonomy.
Going full pro-death is the most intellectually consistent policy :jaceknife:
 
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