Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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Soon to be 4 navies as well. Korea getting in on the act by building their own baby flattop. China must be feeling a little crowded since all their neighbours are building up their own carriers, and given how shitty the Chink force is I'd take a baby flattop flying F35Bs over theirs anyday.


Probably not. Russia is far too large, and has far too many potential targets to make guarding all of them practical. Plus the fact that Ukraine (or worse disaffected Russians acting on their behalf) are able to sabotage shit in country is a bad sign in and of itself.



Not even remotely. This is precisely why
a)we have an independent nuclear deterrent (inb4 retards claim that using American missiles means we need their permission to launch, we don't)
b)why our deterrent is sub based, so it can't be neutralized with a strike on the Isles.
Plus I'm pretty sure knowing BoJo, his letters of last resort are almost certainly some variation of "nuke am all, and let god sort em out".

The other argument I've seen is that Britain is vulnerable tiny little island while Russia is big stronk mega country and we don't have enough nukes to destroy it. However that argument is utterly retarded because 99.99% of Russia literally isn't worth nuking. This is a population density map of Russia, notice anything?
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Those two spikes are Moscow and St Petersburg, and it's pretty clear that simply destroying those two, something well within the capabilites of our subs would functionally destroy Russia, because the fuck else would be left other than a billion miles of nothing?
I think talking about "winning" total thermonuclear war is mongoloid talk, because it's like "winning" a cool new strain of aggressive nut cancer or something, but a couple of things Russia has to its advantage:

* Civil defense isn't a joke in Russia, they have bomb shelters

* The country is big enough that there might still be some kind of a Russia after the big booms

Britain would be a glowing cinder and most of Western Europe would be uninhabitable, but it's likely some Slavs would survive on the steppes. Irregardless, I think the Dr Evil underwater nucular superweapon is retarded af, and idk what the fuck is wrong with Russians boasting about having such a thing.
 
btw, an NLAW made it's way to Russian TV

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Railways are secretly the unsung heroes of modern warfare, their importance is vital and this is one of the reasons why the French lost in 1871 and the Germans lost the 20th century in the first battle of the Marne.

The Germans were terrified of the possibility that the Russians would have an extended railway network by 1918 and their fears were vindicated in WW2.
Yes and no. One weakness of the WWII Soviet railway network, least in European Russia, was that everything ran through Moscow. But the network still functioned and am sure was expanded.

Also important, for those who may not know it, but the Russian track gauge isn't the same as most others, five feet vice the standard 4 feet, 8.5 inches.. Done deliberately to hamper an invader coming in by rail. When a train from outside comes into or leaves Russia changes must be made. During WWII the Germans converted a great deal of railway lines in the occupied areas of the USSR.

Interesting info about the Russian railroad gauge and the various world railroad gauges.


 
but really, it isn't impossible to guard most important railway bridges, and fix whatever needs fixing quickly, when you have 30,000 people dedicated to doing so.
The thing is it's not just bridges. It's switches, and depots, and stations, and isolated stretches of track etc. At that point 30k bodies isn't a drop in the bucket, it's a drop in the ocean.

Railway sabotage has played a very tiny part in this war up to now and it will continue to do so. They will be minor setbacks and annoyances, at their worst.
I'm not suggesting it will have a huge impact on the war, merely pointing out that if it wants to Ukraine can and will continue to score points with these little hits and there's functionally nothing Russia can do to stop them.
 
Irregardless, I think the Dr Evil underwater nucular superweapon is retarded af, and idk what the fuck is wrong with Russians boasting about having such a thing.
Russia likes brinksmanship and strong-arming countries into submission. Showing yourself as a force to be reckoned with is an essential part of that strategy. That's why Russia boasts about every new advanced weapon they have, played up its ceberwarfare capabilities, and frequently breaches airspace of neighboring nations. They have to look like they can back up their threats, otherwise they won't work. China and North Korea are other two states who use similar approach.
Brinksmanship's big downside is that it only works if the country issuing ultimatums looks strong. If that state can't back up its threats conventionally, nukes are the only thing it can use to scare others. This is where Russia is now along with North Korea. China does not have to do it as their economy is too important and influential.
 
Also important, for those who may not know it, but the Russian track gauge isn't the same as most others, five feet vice the standard 4 feet, 8.5 inches.. Done deliberately to hamper an invader coming in by rail. When a train from outside comes into or leaves Russia changes must be made. During WWII the Germans converted a great deal of railway lines in the occupied areas of the USSR.
Not sure what your point is, Ukraine uses the same gauge as Russia. Belarus as well.
 
Russia's cyber is actually very high on the list as far as top cyber powers and they've flexed those muscles before as I described hundreds of pages ago. It's part of why Ukraine has a ton of IT nerds and malware reverse engineer specialists - it's out of necessity.
However, I think it's probably safe to say Ukraine now has direct NSA, GCHQ, and others support and, as always, the cyber war stays in the shadows.
 
Russia's cyber is actually very high on the list as far as top cyber powers and they've flexed those muscles before as I described hundreds of pages ago. It's part of why Ukraine has a ton of IT nerds and malware reverse engineer specialists - it's out of necessity.
However, I think it's probably safe to say Ukraine now has direct NSA, GCHQ, and others support and, as always, the cyber war stays in the shadows.
its interesting to watch, but honestly, in my opinion the whole 'cyberwarfare' thing is WAY overblown in the media. they make you think that there are russian gigahackers sitting in a basement under the kremlin, who have custom backdoors into a billion systems ready to go and could shut down critical american infrastructure on demand, when in reality all they managed to do is fuck up like 40 mostly unimportant computers in ukraine, with no significant impact on real life beyond making IT departments in ukraine work overtime.

Now that we've given away all our weapons to the Ukraine (to be stolen by Chechens and separatists), sure would be a shame if China started making moves on Taiwan.
a defense of taiwan would not be fought with javelins and switchblade drones, it would be fought by warships and naval aircraft
 
its interesting to watch, but honestly, in my opinion the whole 'cyberwarfare' thing is WAY overblown in the media. they make you think that there are russian gigahackers sitting in a basement under the kremlin, who have custom backdoors into a billion systems ready to go and could shut down critical american infrastructure on demand, when in reality all they managed to do is fuck up like 40 mostly unimportant computers in ukraine, with no significant impact on real life beyond making IT departments in ukraine work overtime.
It is overplayed and underplayed due to ignorance. Russia's reach is unknowable as they've shown an ability to get into some of the most secure networks undetected and stay there for an unknown amount of time.
I haven't watched the video and can't right now but I assume it mentions the powerplant flex that happened about a decade ago. That was just fluffing up feathers to say "We can do more." Not sure what Russia has done cyber-wise since February but like I said, Ukraine has no doubt been told that even bigger cyber powers are now all over their networks trying to snuff Russia out.
Anything that does happen won't be publicly attributed to hacks anyway as the name of the game right now is to deny Russia competency across the board. Not that I think much is happening except maybe generic intel gathering; nothing to have effect like shutting down power or water treatment plants.
 
After Unit 731, the continued whale hunting and the annual slaughter of dolphins by Taiji fishermen, Japan is still on the waiting list for re-admittance to the human race. I hardly dare mention Nanjing or the Comfort Women.

They are worse than Germans.

Going a bit off thread, or maybe not. You can tell a lot about a person by the country he is born in. For example, most people born in a certain country will be American, or British, or Japanese, if that was their country of birth. Men that reach higher can 'break' their 'national character'. Some men can still be great men and keep their national character; this is just an observation and generalisation.

Sometimes being too American or too British or too Japanese can hold a man back. Jingoistic and taking the last refuge of the scoundrel (Patriotism) - they do themselves nor their kinsfolk much favour. Men who can break through that have an edge in world affairs. That is why diplomats tend to be children of diplomats, brought up in different, often hostile countries. They really live it in a way that someone born in Gary, Indiana, or Hull, UK, or Matsomotu, Japan; just can't.

Or maybe they can? Anyone can read a book, anyone can study psychology, learn to sew, gut a hog, butcher a pig, change a distributor cap/spark plugs, etc. etc.

The truth is, some people are given an edge in life. Being born in to a good family, getting a good education, living in a different country, having extended family that take interest in your wellbeing - all these things increase the odds of a child advancing later in life. It's not just about the connections and the old boy's club, though that helps.

Enough of that. I get your feeling about the japs and the krauts too. They are sick puppies. Cowardly people who are given to great sadism once the opportunity presents. It comes from living in such a regimented society. In fact, they are the two biggest industrial nations on Planet Earth by certain metrics. They have a lot in common.

If you really want to know about a man, look where he comes from and study his people. What is their national character? What is their porn like?

The Japs and the Krauts have the most sickest porn on God's Good Earth. Sadism is a major selling point. Never mind the under-age aspect of it when it comes to the Japs. What about the scat angle with the Krauts? But the Japs are deep in to that as well. Sick fucks.

I want to like porn. I try my hardest. The Japs and the Krauts really knock it out the park until you get to that point in the Jap video where the girl starts crying, screaming the fucking house down! Shut the fuck up! Put a sock in it! Jesus. Then we have the Krauts, all is going fine until that rubber glove comes out. Then we all know what comes next! No. NO! Don't fucking do it! But yes, they do it every time. Right up the arse! Up to the fucking elbow! No! You didn't need to do that! They just can't help themselves. They've got to go 'industrial' and go the extra mile. Sick fucks!

We see you motherfuckers!

Also, Germans and Japs are the most passive-aggressive people on planet earth. They can't say NO. So they find a million other ways to say NO. Say what you like about the fucking French, but they let you know pretty tout suite if they are up for the game or not! They can be passive-aggressive, but they are most likely to just be rude cunts. Or, quelle surprise! actually quite nice and pleasant to deal with. This is a generalisation again. But they DO have their national character, and most of them don't break it.

Germans look down on non Germans, Japs look down on non Japs. They aren't the only people that do this, but they are certainly at the top of the tree.

Next time a German or a Jap looks down on you, don't mention ze war, or Unit 731, just picture in your mind what 90 percent of their porn is like and what they get off to as a national character. As I said, sick fucks. Joke is though, if you do ever get a Kraut or Nip g/f they probably will be more disgusted by that stuff than you are. This is the problem with generalisations. Not all people are the same. Everyone is an individual. Porn is just the driver for more loneliness as they seek solace in the extreme breaking of rules that they can not do in real life. It's a downward spiral.

They are worse than Germans

They are just as bad as each other, or any other nationality when decadence takes hold because of higher living standards and social coherence. What? You thought that would make a nation greater? Wrong! A certain amount of diversity is required. Not talking about importing niggers by the bucket load, but you get me. When living standards go up, women stop having babies. They go to work, for some reason, and farm out child-rearing to 3rd world nannies, sometimes men. Why the fuck would a woman become a nurse and tend to the sick and dying when she can get her tits out on ONLY FANS and earn not just more money, but more RESPECT!

Japs and Germans just get to live the dream more becuase they are more capable of bringing things about. They have greater autonomy. Imagine what a degenerate culture like Brazil would be like if it was fucking half-efficient! [Shudders]

And it's a good job those Slav Niggers are both killing each other off. The world will be a better place without any of them in it. They had some merit. But they just couldn't get their shit together, Tyrone, to just go along to get along. That goes a long way. But no, just blow the fucking living shit out of each other instead. That'll teach 'em!

Mmmmm.. I wonder what Slav Porn is like? I can feel a new research project coming on!

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Soon to be 4 navies as well. Korea getting in on the act by building their own baby flattop. China must be feeling a little crowded since all their neighbours are building up their own carriers, and given how shitty the Chink force is I'd take a baby flattop flying F35Bs over theirs anyday.


Probably not. Russia is far too large, and has far too many potential targets to make guarding all of them practical. Plus the fact that Ukraine (or worse disaffected Russians acting on their behalf) are able to sabotage shit in country is a bad sign in and of itself.



Not even remotely. This is precisely why
a)we have an independent nuclear deterrent (inb4 retards claim that using American missiles means we need their permission to launch, we don't)
b)why our deterrent is sub based, so it can't be neutralized with a strike on the Isles.
Plus I'm pretty sure knowing BoJo, his letters of last resort are almost certainly some variation of "nuke am all, and let god sort em out".

The other argument I've seen is that Britain is vulnerable tiny little island while Russia is big stronk mega country and we don't have enough nukes to destroy it. However that argument is utterly retarded because 99.99% of Russia literally isn't worth nuking. This is a population density map of Russia, notice anything?
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Those two spikes are Moscow and St Petersburg, and it's pretty clear that simply destroying those two, something well within the capabilites of our subs would functionally destroy Russia, because the fuck else would be left other than a billion miles of nothing?

Britbong Stronk!

Yeah that's right, us bongers can fucking nuke anyone anytime anywhere we like. So don't fuck with us. As long as our Submariners aren't too coked out of their heads having fucking orgies 20 thousand fathoms under the sea. Unleash the Krakheads!

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Actually, you kind of answered the question I had earlier. I thought that St. Petersburg might be the second Russian City that got one of the 3 special nukes off the Titan II. It would make a lot of sense. No point in nuking Moscow twice if it's already rubble. What's the point of nuking anywhere else?

I think the 3rd one probably was destined for some major city in China. But Russia was a more credible threat and more in need of strategic retaliation. China was just trying to bust in on the game. They weren't in a position to cause major havoc at that time. Now, however?

Now? We got nukes, you got nukes, EVERYONE's GOT NUKES! Fucking Sith Effrica had fucking nukes in a joint program they ran with Israel, until they decommissioned them when the ANC took over. Prolly best! Imagine a Zulu Warlord taking offence and wanting to nuke an entire continent just because someone pointed out the fact they live in the most fertile ground on Planet Earth, yet, still just can't get it the fuck together, Tryone!

The Jews did well out of that one!

Jesus, I'm sorry. We've reached that point in the thread where: "It was the Jews!".

Wake me up when Russia turns Britbongistan in to Atlantis.

Or when the Burgers decide to drop in 20,000 trannys from 20,000 feet!


I don't really want the world to burn. But I got a nasty feeling it's going to do just that in the next 24 months.

At least hope it's going to be funny!
 
Been thinking about what might happen on 9 May.

Might Putin declare war on Ukraine? Maybe. How much will things change? Don't think the Ukes will stop fighting. Might even accelerate rate of fires, sabotage, etc., within Russia.

Might Putin threaten to use nukes on Ukraine? Maybe. However, Vlad might want to remember the winds could well give the Rodina a dose of fallout. Doubt the Ukes will give up, and you would likely see not just an accelerated rate of sabotage, fires, etc., within Russia, but likely also certain types of attacks against places like the Moscow Metro and other ostensibly non-military targets, on top of even more sanctions and ostracism by the rest of the world. Question if even China would continue supporting someone who nukes a nation that posed no threat to his own, a nation he attacked.



Or maybe Putin will just declare victory and declare a unilateral cease-fire on the present lines in the east/southeast. Suggest Ukraine might be heavily pressured by the West to accept those lines.

Anything can happen, and we'll see what happens. Both countries have been damaged by this war, but longer-term believe Russia will suffer most.

This war didn't have to happen.
Who started this idea that May 9th was some significant milestone in THIS war? I understand the Soviet history connection. But who started this idea?
Literally nothing is going to happen on May 9th. Putin will come out, say "We've been bombing the hohols to shit even though the entire world is against us, lol! Donetsk and Luhansk will be liberated soon™", a lot more shit is going to explode in Ukraine to commemorate the occasion, and they'll put out some rhetoric about le evil azov neo nazis who number in the 6 gorillion and have been defeated by the brave and stunning Russian troops.


The Ukrainians need to get better at sabotage if they want to continue, because their epic railway bombing put the rails out of commission for an entire 4 days and has probably guaranteed it will be secured for the rest of the war.




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Pretty much this. I doubt Putin has a timetable and is just creating a meat grinder for Ukrainians.
bad optics but scholz is universally becoming hated because of his response to ukraine. pretty much everyone in the german government is going behind his back leaking shit to the press/ukraine trying to get things moving


still a bad look though
I will laugh if in a few years Germany elects a leader with a funny mustache again.
 
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