The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

gang weeder said:
There are no moral or ethical arguments in favor of abortion. There are bad ones, I guess you could say. Like all these people saying "well if you don't kill the children in the womb they won't have a good life." But there are no legitimate ones. There is no legitimate moral or ethical argument for why murdering a child is okay.
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It does seem to boil down to a shared sense of sympathy, rather than some moral imperative. The morality of it never really enters the picture, except in the case of supposedly saving the child from a supposedly terrible life. In my experience, though, a lot of the pro-abortion side frame it as it pertains to women, and how overturning their "right" to get one affects them. It's seen as a punishment placed upon them, rather than an attempt to save the lives of the unborn. The child never enters the picture unless it's meant to justify what's done to it.
 
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Visible Belly Outline said:
I love the people who talk about hating certain demographics but are against abortion.

Do you really want those people breeding? Would you like a brand spanking new crack baby to add to your family?

I’m sure they’ll be lining to adopt if they’re not white.

Better they never exist.
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Actually, I've seen this very position unironically held by certain users of the A&N persuasion. Horseshoe theory is real.
 
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Marcus Tullius Cicero said:
It does seem to boil down to a shared sense of sympathy, rather than some moral imperative. The morality of it never really enters the picture, except in the case of supposedly saving the child from a supposedly terrible life. In my experience, though, a lot of the pro-abortion side frame it as it pertains to women, and how overturning their "right" to get one affects them. It's seen as a punishment placed upon them, rather than an attempt to save the lives of the unborn. The child never enters the picture unless it's meant to justify what's done to it.
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Well yes, they empathize primarily with the woman and not with the child, having been socialized into a quasi-religion which holds "women's rights (including the "right" to an abortion)" as a sacred tenet. Then you have people who empathize more with the unborn child who is being murdered. Then you have people such as myself who are not particularly empathetic one way or the other, but simply arrive at the conclusion that life beginning at conception is the position which makes the most sense.

I guess I would say I have some anti-empathy towards women who "shout their abortion" and treat it like some sort of religious ritual, but that disgust developed after I had already decided on my pro-life stance.
 
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gang weeder said:
There are no moral or ethical arguments in favor of abortion. There are bad ones, I guess you could say. Like all these people saying "well if you don't kill the children in the womb they won't have a good life." But there are no legitimate ones. There is no legitimate moral or ethical argument for why murdering a child is okay.
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Honestly when you think about it more yeah it's something that's just repulsive. Abortions just degrade a society I guess.
 
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snailslime said:
Did you even read the whole page lol?
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What's misleading/incorrect about the chart? It seems consistent with the rest of the source.

Per the previous interpretation of Roe V. Wade, Federally, elective abortions were a perfectly valid reason to get one. It makes sense to me that a majority of women would have non-medical reasons for getting an abortion.
 
BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
What's misleading/incorrect about the chart? It seems consistent with the rest of the source.

Per the previous interpretation of Roe V. Wade, Federally, elective abortions were a perfectly valid reason to get one. It makes sense to me that a majority of women would have non-medical reasons for getting an abortion.
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They conveniently left out other graphs, such as this one
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snailslime said:
They conveniently left out other graphs, such as this one
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I guess it wouldn't hurt to post the full context of the article summary, so there's no confusion ITT:
Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape, 0.3%; in cases of incest, 0.03%; in cases of risk to maternal life, 0.1%; in cases of risk to maternal health, 0.8%; and in cases of fetal health issues, 0.5%. About 98.3% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. This includes perhaps 30% for primarily economic reasons and possibly 0.1% each for sex selection and selective reduction of multifetal pregnancies.
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