The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
I don't know what the argument even is tbh. I'm inclined to believe @NoTimeToLose is correct when he says the majority of abortions are elective.

Your first post I replied to gave me the impression that you felt the original source contradicted this fact. Is this an incorrect assumption?
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when you read the study as a whole, you realize that the original poster was arguing in bad faith.
 
snailslime said:
when you read the study as a whole, you realize that the original poster was arguing in bad faith.
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Okay, but what exactly is your issue with the premise that the majority of abortions are elective? I'm a fucking internet retard and I have no idea what a bad faith argument is.
gang weeder said:
I don't see what difference it makes. According to every anti-life person in this thread, so far as I'm aware, if 100% of abortions were elective and 0 were for rape or muh health or whatever, that would be fine and wouldn't change anything.
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Exactly - this is why I'm confused.
 
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BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
Okay, but what exactly is your issue with the premise that the majority of abortions are elective? I'm a fucking internet retard and I have no idea what a bad faith argument is.

Exactly - this is why I'm confused.
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A bad faith argument means intellectual dishonesty. Example of an actual exchange I had with someone:

"We can't build a border wall because it costs too much money."

"What if it could somehow be built for 0 dollars?"

"Well, we still shouldn't build it."

The initial argument that it costs too much money was thus exposed as dishonest. Another common example:

"We have to protect the right to abortion because of cases of rape and fetal abnormalities."

"What about the 95+% of abortions where those are not factors?"

"Well, we have to allow those too."
 
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snailslime said:
when you read the study as a whole, you realize that the original poster was arguing in bad faith.
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S'up Bitch?. Not arguing anything. Just pointing out what everyone already knew.

Again, Why not Condoms? :story:


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gang weeder said:
Well yes, they empathize primarily with the woman and not with the child, having been socialized into a quasi-religion which holds "women's rights (including the "right" to an abortion)" as a sacred tenet. Then you have people who empathize more with the unborn child who is being murdered. Then you have people such as myself who are not particularly empathetic one way or the other, but simply arrive at the conclusion that life beginning at conception is the position which makes the most sense.

I guess I would say I have some anti-empathy towards women who "shout their abortion" and treat it like some sort of religious ritual, but that disgust developed after I had already decided on my pro-life stance.
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I personally have no real animus for those who think abortion is necessary, as an opinion doesn't harm me or anyone else. It's those who have abortions or facilitate them that I don't care for. It's especially irksome when they take what amounts to an expression of differing opinions and turns it into "you want my rights taken from me—you're an oppressor." If you genuinely believe abortion to be a right women are entitled to, then I can see why you'd would think that. Even if it's rather hyperbolic to think a different opinion is tantamount to oppression.
 
I'm pretty sure the Tard Baby General is filled with hysterical women (and trannies) from some kind of pro-choice groupchat. You get 10 people downvoting any comment that doesn't completely fit with their narrrative and headcanon, even if you're on the same side.

It's a shame because I like the topic, it is a good thing for people to know about and I wish it could be discussed sincerely.
 
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Marcus Tullius Cicero said:
I personally have no real animus for those who think abortion is necessary, as an opinion doesn't harm me or anyone else.
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Even aside from abortion that is just untrue. If things go unopposed, or worse, supported by public opinion, then that can, has, and does include terrible things. Example, transing minors; enough people support that evil shit and so it's allowed.
 
Marcus Tullius Cicero said:
I personally have no real animus for those who think abortion is necessary, as an opinion doesn't harm me or anyone else. It's those who have abortions or facilitate them that I don't care for. It's especially irksome when they take what amounts to an expression of differing opinions and turns it into "you want my rights taken from me—you're an oppressor." If you genuinely believe abortion to be a right women are entitled to, then I can see why you'd would think that. Even if it's rather hyperbolic to think a different opinion is tantamount to oppression.
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Those who think abortion is necessary are facilitating it, though. If public opinion was 95+% that abortion was wrong, it would be illegal. Yes, they do think it is an issue of "women's rights" and that the child has none, but they are simply wrong. Just like slave owners thought the Emancipation Proclamation denied them their right to property. That was their genuine belief and yet we still outlawed slavery.
 
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Adding two thoughts that might be semi-fresh:

1) Armchair political strategizing: Do you think that Roe actually being overturned will change the political landscape at all? I really think both Republicans and Democrats wanted Roe to stay exactly where it was, precarious but in standing, to motivate their bases without energizing their opposition. In days past, there used to be a large group of single-issue Republican voters against abortion. In a post-Roe environment, will they still be motivated to show up? Maybe they will in Virginia or Georgia state elections, but will a Texas Catholic still vote reliably Republican? Have the borders of the culture war expanded enough that this single-issue voter no longer exists?

2) It's a Blue-check cliché, but I think there really is a lot of truth in the claim "You're not really pro-life because if you were, you'd support x, y, or z social program for children." Normally that's deployed to quickly just cry hypocrite before moving on, but it really warrants examination. Many vocal pro-lifers are also quite cavalier warhawks and so on, (not to claim pro-choicer are free of contradictions.) I think this contradiction is because pro-life politics often come from somewhere else.

In my personal opinion, there really is something Freudian about the pro-life arguments. The real implied argument feels like "people need to be punished for sex, it cannot be a part of healthy adult's relationships for the sole sake of pleasure." I think a lot of it is a deep, subconscious fear of sexual inadequacy. The unwillingness or inability to confront that causes a lot of the rage and emotion around the topic.

Certainly, there are some supporters who really do have a principled belief in the sanctity of life, but I just don't believe that's the case for the majority.
 
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BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
Okay, but what exactly is your issue with the premise that the majority of abortions are elective? I'm a fucking internet retard and I have no idea what a bad faith argument is.
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I don't have an issue with it. Some regressive boomers do, though.

gang weeder said:
A bad faith argument means intellectual dishonesty. Example of an actual exchange I had with someone:

"We can't build a border wall because it costs too much money."

"What if it could somehow be built for 0 dollars?"

"Well, we still shouldn't build it."

The initial argument that it costs too much money was thus exposed as dishonest. Another common example:

"We have to protect the right to abortion because of cases of rape and fetal abnormalities."

"What about the 95+% of abortions where those are not factors?"

"Well, we have to allow those too."
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Almost all abortion should be allowed.

NoTimeToLose said:
S'up Bitch?. Not arguing anything. Just pointing out what everyone already knew.

Again, Why not Condoms? :story:


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it takes two to tango, incel. tag me again when men have to deal with the burden of pregnancy for being mansluts.
 
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Muh Vagina said:
My profile picture should turn everybody pro-choice, but your camp is obsessed with making tard babies and pregnant women suffer.
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Jesus Christ you actual fucking psycho, that tard kid shouldn’t have died, I pity them for having dog shit people for parents much like how you’re acting like a dog shit kiwi.
 
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Muh Vagina said:
My profile picture should turn everybody pro-choice, but your camp is obsessed with making tard babies and pregnant women suffer.
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I didn't know I was anti-abortion just by making an amusing observation. Still doesn't explain why you have someone else's dead child as your profile pic or your weird obsession with abortion, but I have a gut instinct why.

Here, i'll help you out with some fap material.
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Don't cum too quickly.
 
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