Jim Sterling / James "Stephanie" Sterling / James Stanton/Sexton & in memoriam TotalBiscuit (John Bain) - One Gaming Lolcow Thread

[Nixxit]

As someone who used to go to the TERF subreddit (and I don't mean the "women vaguely wary of trans' people/repercussions of trans' laws on females" ones, I mean the one populated with stuff like "I had a panic attack when I was told a store had mixed fitting rooms" that fixated on trans' people despite most of its posters having much deeper issues, and that has since been banned) as if going to the zoo, I think that while Jim's totally wrong to say that trans' issues were used as a proxy/foothold to deny women's rights and stuff, he's entirely right that the hardcore portion of the TERFs regularly "allied itself" (considering their size, more like "cheered for them from the sidelines", really) with the people who wanted abortion outlawed and stuff - though there was definitely people who disagreed with that alliance - and now probably feels a bit dumb about it.

I will say, though, while I think abortion should be a possibility (especially in case of rape or risk for the child/mother), legally, Roe v. Wade does look like a mess, and one can hope that after a small period of legal chaos, it'll all fall back into place with a stronger foundation, and with a Left that will have learned to argue in good faith, over the fact abortion is not murder instead of the non sequitur "But it's muh body who cares if you say it's murder ?".

It's also hilarious seeing the Left collectively sh#t itself in fear and talking about "Wow I'm forced to be a baby factory now " or "Wow gay me may go to prison for f#cking my boyfriend in the #ss next" all the while discovering with all their "We should totally not have sex with men until we can have abortions" arguments that yes, abstinence does work.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

it'll all fall back into place with a stronger foundation, and with a Left that will have learned to argue in good faith, over the fact abortion is not murder instead of the non sequitur "But it's muh body who cares if you say it's murder ?".

I do think it's high time for it to be gone. It's practically useless.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

I know @Lightly Buttered Crumpet already pointed out his 900k spergathon, but I just wanted to remind everyone Jim also had a conspiracy theory that Ubisoft was personally having YouTube bury his channel, because his video on the sex scandal at Ubi didn't get as many views as he thought it should and subsequent videos also dropped off.

Couldn't be that people subscribed to an entertainment channel don't want to watch a fat man screech about rape for 15 minutes; couldn't be that any video discussing rape is going to be de-prioritised by the almighty algorithm (peace be upon it); couldn't be that Jim's views were already declining because people were sick of hearing the same shit week after week.

No, the only logical conclusion is a cabal of industry leaders conspiring to ruin Jim, because he's that fucking important.

If its the same video that I'm thinking of its pretty clear why no one watched it, its because he did a Jimquisition episode three days earlier talking about the exactly same topic and that actual Jimquisition episode on Ubisoft got about his usual number of views. In fact it was one of his more popular ones around that time.

As someone who used to go to the TERF subreddit (and I don't mean the "women vaguely wary of trans' people/repercussions of trans' laws on females" ones, I mean the one populated with stuff like "I had a panic attack when I was told a store had mixed fitting rooms" that fixated on trans' people despite most of its posters having much deeper issues, and that has since been banned) as if going to the zoo, I think that while Jim's totally wrong to say that trans' issues were used as a proxy/foothold to deny women's rights and stuff, he's entirely right that the hardcore portion of the TERFs regularly "allied itself" (considering their size, more like "cheered for them from the sidelines", really) with the people who wanted abortion outlawed and stuff - though there was definitely people who disagreed with that alliance - and now probably feels a bit dumb about it.

Its kind of ironic that we're seeing basically the same thing with the LGB struggling to deal with the T they had allied themselves with.

 

[Nixxit]

Its kind of ironic that we're seeing basically the same thing with the LGB struggling to deal with the T they had allied themselves with.

Heh, I think the huge difference is that the "T problem" only appeared after the "alliance" was made (and for the most part only appears in the Anglo-Saxon hell-holes where it was allowed to fester), so it was only a "mistake" retrospectively, whereas the TERFs were fully aware of the views of the people they were cheering for at the moment they were cheering for them - hence the internal disagreement over said cheering.

Come to think of it, I wish r/gender-critical were still around to witness the meltdown.

 

[Coccxys]

I mean this is precisely how the pendulum swing of politics works. It goes in one direction until it goes too far for most people and then there is a backlash. The troon problem is going to be that "too far" for the leftwards swing that we've had pretty much since the last world war. They just need to hope the backlash isn't too extreme otherwise we might find a solution to the trans question.

 

[Burt Offerings]

a Left that will have learned to argue in good faith, over the fact abortion is not murder instead of the non sequitur "But it's muh body who cares if you say it's murder ?".

I was amidst an argument on another site last night and realised that this is essentially the problem with the entire abortion debate in the US. Each side (Abortion is killing a human with a soul Vs It's only a clump of cells with no right to life) is just shouting right past one another. It's a pragmatist arguing with a moralist, and it isn't getting you anywhere. Neither position is remotely compelling to the other, when really both are kind of right.
What both sides need to do is wind back on the hyperbole and find some common ground to bash it out properly. Otherwise this will end up as a civil war or something.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

I was amidst an argument on another site last night and realised that this is essentially the problem with the entire abortion debate in the US. Each side (Abortion is killing a human with a soul Vs It's only a clump of cells with no right to life) is just shouting right past one another. It's a pragmatist arguing with a moralist, and it isn't getting you anywhere. Neither position is remotely compelling to the other, when really both are kind of right.
What both sides need to do is wind back on the hyperbole and find some common ground to bash it out properly. Otherwise this will end up as a civil war or something.

Thats the real desire, yes, but its exceedingly difficult. One side is of the belief that this is on a fundamental level literally committing murder. Asking them to compromise is just asking them to sign off on killing a few children instead of all of them. Thats not to say that compromise can't be reached, but that its not going to be a 50/50 split down the middle of the existing argument. The pro-life compromise isn't on the abortions, the pro-life compromise lives in that before pregnancy space with widespread contraceptives - Their compromise is making sure there's never a human life to kill in the first place. The Pro-Choice side has taken Contraceptives as a completely separate argument entirely who's only relevance in the abortion debate is "They're not 100% perfect, therefore we need to be able to do more".

A lot of the abortion argument tries to cut the pie narrowly to just compromising on that one narrow piece and it doesn't work. Which is why the sides scream past each other so effectively, they're quite literally arguing on different points to find a middle ground. There won't be any effective compromise until both sides acknowledge that there is a wider space of discussion here than just the final end-run at "welp, someones pregnant". And that's not gonna happen when public discourse is primarily conducted in tiktok videos and the character limit of a tweet.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

I was amidst an argument on another site last night and realised that this is essentially the problem with the entire abortion debate in the US. Each side (Abortion is killing a human with a soul Vs It's only a clump of cells with no right to life) is just shouting right past one another. It's a pragmatist arguing with a moralist, and it isn't getting you anywhere. Neither position is remotely compelling to the other, when really both are kind of right.
What both sides need to do is wind back on the hyperbole and find some common ground to bash it out properly. Otherwise this will end up as a civil war or something.

My issue is how normalising and making abortions more convenient has basically made them be seen as a type of birth control.

 

[Burt Offerings]

Thats not to say that compromise can't be reached, but that its not going to be a 50/50 split down the middle of the existing argument.

So what you're saying is that it's become so firmly entrenched that to give even an inch of ground exiles you from your side and into no-man's land. Would I be right in thinking that even if a pro-choice were to admit "Yeah ok, it's not a good thing to do but it is a necessary evil in many situations" that would be enough to be dogpiled by both sides? Because if that's the case, then the whole thing is so poisonous that I really don't know how it's supposed to be resolved other than the complete destruction of one side.

 

[NotFatChild]

Jim's 1 month old turismo video is almost at 200k views now. I think it's safe to say that his subscribers that actually view his content is easily almost half of that since you have to go back a whole year to start seeing his average video hit 200k+. 800k cope video soon(tm).

I will say, though, while I think abortion should be a possibility (especially in case of rape or risk for the child/mother), legally, Roe v. Wade does look like a mess, and one can hope that after a small period of legal chaos, it'll all fall back into place with a stronger foundation, and with a Left that will have learned to argue in good faith, over the fact abortion is not murder instead of the non sequitur "But it's muh body who cares if you say it's murder ?".

That's already happening in blue states. Roe Vs Wade being tossed doesn't mean abortion is now illegal everywhere, it means states get to decide if they want it to be legal or not.

At most you're just going to have to drive 3 hours to get one.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Would I be right in thinking that even if a pro-choice were to admit "Yeah ok, it's not a good thing to do but it is a necessary evil in many situations" that would be enough to be dogpiled by both sides?

Depends how many situations they claim as necessary. Generally speaking, if the child was conceived through criminal action (Rape, Incest, etc) or if the child is medically non-viable (serious developmental defects) then all but the most hardline pro-lifers would be some level of accepting with that. There would be some hardliners that'd still say its murder, but the idea of restorative justice up to and including death has historically been a thing that people will accept. The other Pro-Choice people, I can't speak for the distribution as clearly. Some are fanatically "Abortion is a good thing" regardless, all the way down to the human extinction movements.

The reason you'll see a lot of public discourse about it from the pro-life group hardlining "absolutely none" is because the "Safe legal and rare" compromise was already tried, and it was abused to hell and back. There is no trust left that it won't be abused. Even the extreme case of rape babies, there's no trust that it wouldn't be just "show up six months into a pregnancy, claim to be raped six months ago and never reported it, get abortion and go back to boyfriend". The pro-lifers have already see the pro-choice crowd abuse the power and revel in the act of doing so.

 

[Corn Flakes]

The reason you'll see a lot of public discourse about it from the pro-life group hardlining "absolutely none" is because the "Safe legal and rare" compromise was already tried, and it was abused to hell and back. There is no trust left that it won't be abused. Even the extreme case of rape babies, there's no trust that it wouldn't be just "show up six months into a pregnancy, claim to be raped six months ago and never reported it, get abortion and go back to boyfriend". The pro-lifers have already see the pro-choice crowd abuse the power and revel in the act of doing so.

(Emphasis mine.)

What a coincidence, that's what resulted in Roe v. Wade.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

Jim's 1 month old turismo video is almost at 200k views now. I think it's safe to say that his subscribers that actually view his content is easily almost half of that since you have to go back a whole year to start seeing his average video hit 200k+. 800k cope video soon(tm).

That's already happening in blue states. Roe Vs Wade being tossed doesn't mean abortion is now illegal everywhere, it means states get to decide if they want it to be legal or not.

At most you're just going to have to drive 3 hours to get one.

Subs versus actual viewers ratio is something that hits most channels, plenty of factually dead channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers getting single digit viewers in terms of percentage. A stellar example is Fatso Jack, guy has almost half a million subscribers and at his best he gets 50k viewers at very good luck nowadays. Jim still holds some engagement, but as he becomes more and more insufferable to the point only schizo fuckers like MovieBob's Short Bus Crew of dedicated followers watch him, odds are he will get just as fucked!

 

[BoomerSperg1922]

Subs versus actual viewers ratio is something that hits most channels, plenty of factually dead channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers getting single digit viewers in terms of percentage. A stellar example is Fatso Jack, guy has almost half a million subscribers and at his best he gets 50k viewers at very good luck nowadays. Jim still holds some engagement, but as he becomes more and more insufferable to the point only schizo fuckers like MovieBob's Short Bus Crew of dedicated followers watch him, odds are he will get just as fucked!

Hopefully soon.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Jim's whining about 'northeast' wrestling excluding him is interesting because he flat out states that they allow other genderspecials in without an issue. I wonder what he thinks the reason is? Similar to that, he just can't seem to find a country that doesn't "want to kill" him.

Somewhere in here there is a metaphor about smelling the odor of shit everywhere you walk and needing to check your shoes. How is the annoying, fat, entitled man not able to find a culture that caters to him?

Short of posting a video colleage of nude photos of himself, I can't imagine anything that would tank his subscriber count harder than him banging on about why abortion is amazing...

I'm not sure, I can't imagine many people who are still 'active' would be watching his videos unless they are fully in with the woke "politics is everything and anyone who disagrees is a nazi-enabler" viewpoint.

I was amidst an argument on another site last night and realised that this is essentially the problem with the entire abortion debate in the US. Each side (Abortion is killing a human with a soul Vs It's only a clump of cells with no right to life) is just shouting right past one another. It's a pragmatist arguing with a moralist, and it isn't getting you anywhere. Neither position is remotely compelling to the other, when really both are kind of right.
What both sides need to do is wind back on the hyperbole and find some common ground to bash it out properly. Otherwise this will end up as a civil war or something.

Unfortunately for any hope of compromise, every attempt at a legal standard between conception and birth is largely arbitrary. It makes it extremely hard for pragmatists to come up with a sustainable argument that absolutists can't breach.

 

[Squirrelcop]

Remember how fun his feud with the Slaughtering Grounds idiots was? Before he trannied out and became whatever the fuck he is now?

Good times.

 

[Oliver Onions]

My issue is how normalising and making abortions more convenient has basically made them be seen as a type of birth control.

This is why I constantly find myself torn on the the issue, because I definitely believe making it widely legal has made people more careless, but at the same time I wouldn't want the kind of person who treats an abortion like a haircut to go through with the pregnancy because they're clearly dangerously irresponsible.

It's always been a 'lesser of two evils' scenario for me, there are no good abortions.

 

[Lightly Buttered Crumpet]

Jim's whining about 'northeast' wrestling excluding him is interesting because he flat out states that they allow other genderspecials in without an issue.

Is it North East American wrestling that's excluding him? Just asking because all the wrestling he's doing right now is in the North East (of England) and is even called North Wrestling.
Looks like the event he's next taking part in is sold out, so he's got that to boast about. The next one after that is in Sheffield and he's included in the show.

Even though the brewery he performs at, in Newcastle, has been called out due to homophobic remarks from the owner, the wrestling company has a very inclusive set of rules for the audience - https://www.northwrestling.co.uk/policies/fan-code-of-conduct

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Oh God, I hope Jim doesn't float back across the pond when he finds out Britain has more restrictive abortion laws than the US. We have enough plastic pollution littering out highways without his nasty naugahyde wig enveloping the countryside like the Axis octopus.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Is it North East American wrestling that's excluding him? Just asking because all the wrestling he's doing right now is in the North East (of England) and is even called North Wrestling.
Looks like the event he's next taking part in is sold out, so he's got that to boast about. The next one after that is in Sheffield and he's included in the show.

Even though the brewery he performs at, in Newcastle, has been called out due to homophobic remarks from the owner, the wrestling company has a very inclusive set of rules for the audience - https://www.northwrestling.co.uk/policies/fan-code-of-conduct

maybe, all the wrestling shit is so tedious that I can't even pretend to keep up with it