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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Yeah. But I mean look, just put an amendment in there clarifying that. Just so people shut up.

Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by poor draughtsmanship, especially in legislation. The skill of conveying things in the fewest, plainest words possible is surprisingly rare.
 
This is faggot logic.

Fucking an asshole just makes your dick smell like doodoo. Turbosluts have learned how to use an enema but most women don't wash out their rectum. Too much anal also causes prolapse and incontinence.

Oral only feels good if your girl is really good at it.
I think you're entirely missing my point.
Bottom line: vaginal sex feels the best and if you disagree, you might be a little bit gay and in denial.
It's in the context of people bitching about not being able to have sex without abortion being legal in case they have a kid. If you want it that bad, there's ways to do it that don't result in a kid. You don't have to have unprotected vaginal sex.

Btw, buddy I don't know what kinda women you hook up with but I've never not enjoyed head.
 
Ben Sasse weighs in on Peppermint Patty's press conference from earlier:

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Sasse and the other Republicucks need to realize that the left doesn't care about decorum or hypocrisy or anything other than power. The only time Democrats care about decorum and rules is when they're out of power.
 
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Sasse and the other Republicucks need to realize that the left doesn't care about decorum or hypocrisy or anything other than power. The only time Democrats care about decorum and rules is when they're out of power.
Ben Sasse is a slave to his wife and daughters pulling the strings.

I am interested in theur education backgrounds and it will show, if I am right.
 
After having decreed that the "b" in "black people" be capitalized while explicitly keeping "white people" lower-cased, the Associated Press has now put out the new progressive Democratic strategy in light of the latest rabbling over abortion:
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So there you have it, "women" wins. "Pregnant/Birthing people" will now be restricted to articles specifically about trannies.

I tried looking up the source directly but it appears that the AP style guide is a paid subscription service.
That is a first. Considering Kate Strangio and the Transgender Journalist Style Guide recommending we use 'uterus owners' or 'birthing people'. I wonder how long it'll take for them to reverse the decision. I mean look at those replies and retweets. That's a ratio.

That's a classic. It was during the Floyd riots, and these doctors were fresh off the Stay Home boat. They loved this black dude until he said something they didn't like.
 
Lol that bitch that was kneeling to say blm and then got up and walked away when he brought up aborted black babies
I noticed that too. You'd think she'd at least have the self-awareness to think "it will look really bad if I get up while this black man is preaching" but nope lol.

Is it wrong part of me hopes that protestors go a little bit too far?

If ACB mixed race kids were hurt / killed by a Molotov what do you think the medias coverage would be?
"ACB murdered her children by recklessly opining in the courtroom like she was hired to do! Also if she REALLY loved them she would stay at home and not have a career!" (Remember how they tried that one during her confirmation?) Then they'd say something about how their dead Haitian parents are the REAL victims here, because muh white babystealers.
 
Check this one out.
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She’s so poor she can’t even afford condoms, and she can’t afford to not have sex with some guy who busts all up inside her. It’s such a huge risk to her to fall pregnant she just had to get an abortion, and not just either not have sex until you’re stable or at the very least have safe sex
Truly not her fault.
I hate single moms. I've asked them on mutilate occasions why they choose terrible men that will be terrible fathers and they start crying. Bitch you picked them

People love calling these women whores yet forget who impregnates them.
Outside of rape, women choose those men
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Like women already always forgetting they're the ones who had sex with them.
They're acting like they'll die because they're women who were told no.
These women have contempt for mothers. They see their social life dying (even at 35 when they get passed over) as the end of their life
They just want to LARP being in Handmaiden’s Tale. Getting pregnant in a first world country is safe overall. Even safer if you keep up with prenatal care. There’s also laws that allow doctors to take out babies that have already died in the womb or fixing ectopic pregnancies. Those aren’t considered abortion.
From what I've read, handmaidens tail sucks worst for men nwvausr while women are forced to give birth most men are sent off to die in a war. Only women can see that and think women have it worst
Give it about a week or two. It is headed to the House, where it likely will be signed and then to the Senate, where it will get signed, and then given to the governor, who will sign it.

We use that 'heated' rhetoric because it's true. We can mock the landwhales and their five abortions. My sympathies are for those women who need them because their pregnancies are killing them or it's an ectopic pregnancy. Remember that politician who said you can just re-implant them and to charge doctors with homicide if they didn't? I do.

Just last month Lizelle Hererra got a murder charge for a self induced abortion. The charges were dropped yet she still had them levied against her. Predictably, all the pro life groups distanced themselves for that issue. Can't go back to the clinic bombing days, you know?

@Standardized Profile

It isn't a slippery slope when it keeps happening. It also isn't a fallacy or a Netflix pitch when you have actual women being harmed by these laws.


There is no exception for medical emergencies in the Bill. I've read it too. Again, I'll point to Hererra in South Texas who induced an abortion on herself and was charged with murder. Yeah, prosecutors said there was no case yet they decided to charge her with murder anyways.

Ectopic pregnancies being ended with abortion is still murder according to this law, as it declares the zygote to be a full human. Again, did you see a clause for medical emergencies in there?

Maybe it should be asked why Louisiana decided to draft this law in the first place without any medical exceptions.
And I think this is what will cause the pendulum to swing more pro-abortion. When leftist were talking about celebrating your abortion ad well as late term and post birth abortion people were willing to say it's better to outlaw abortion than allow it that late. But people do tend to think abortion is okay when the mothers life is in danger or in rape cases
 
Schumer's senate abortion bill is stunningly retarded. Abolishes parental consent laws, creates a "right" to abort through the ninth month in all 50 states, allows nurses to perform abortions...

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That’s super dumb. It’s unreasonable and they will lack the senate votes for that. They didn’t really have them to begin with, but all this will do is just be a pointless virtue signal to say that they “tried.” Dems have had 50 years to do something by either working to codify it by state or through federal legislation (which was unlikely to pass anyway).
 
That’s super dumb. It’s unreasonable and they will lack the senate votes for that. They didn’t really have them to begin with, but all this will do is just be a pointless virtue signal to say that they “tried.” Dems have had 50 years to do something by either working to codify it by state or through federal legislation (which was unlikely to pass anyway).
Not just pointless virtue signaling, It serves as something that they can point at and say "We tried." Just don't go reading exactly what we tried to pass...
 
Have any pro-choice people used the "we need abortion, to prevent The Next Hitler/Trump/Putin/Chris-Chan/*Insert white man bad here*" argument, as reasoning for being pro-choice?
I've heard it in counter to pro-life people saying that could be the guy who cures cancer, etc. Which is fair- both arguments suck balls and are weak and dumb, so they deserve each other.
 
Schumer's senate abortion bill is stunningly retarded. Abolishes parental consent laws, creates a "right" to abort through the ninth month in all 50 states, allows nurses to perform abortions...

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They don't care.

The bill is titled the Woman's Health Protection Act and was never intended to pass. This is intended to generate political ammo for attack ads.

Any clear cut explanation would take longer than the attack and be met with hair splitting "fact checks" in the rebuttals.
 
Look, if you're going to engage in moral posturing, at least have the decency to make sense.
He's an idiot who thinks gas companies purposefully dumped lead into gasoline willy-nilly to purposefully dumb down boomers because... there was money in that somehow? Not that leaded gasoline is you know, good for a person, but it did have uses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead
Tetraethyllead (commonly styled tetraethyl lead), abbreviated TEL, is an organolead compound with the formula Pb(C2H5)4. It is a fuel additive, first being mixed with gasoline beginning in the 1920s as a patented octane rating booster that allowed engine compression to be raised substantially. This in turn increased vehicle performance and fuel economy. TEL had been identified chemically in the mid-19th century, but General Motors had discovered its effectiveness as an antiknock agent in 1921, after spending several years attempting to find an additive that was both highly effective and inexpensive.
Funnily enough since the lead disassociated from the rest of the molecule into pure lead once exposed to hot engines (which is how it bound to knock-causing impurities and combustion by-products), it helped seal up microcracks by spontaneously melting into them and welding them shut before they could spread, so engine manufacturers liked it as well. Modern ethanol isn't exactly good, either:
Ethanol combustion in an internal combustion engine yields many of the products of incomplete combustion produced by gasoline and significantly larger amounts of formaldehyde and related species such as acetaldehyde. This leads to a significantly larger photochemical reactivity and more ground level ozone. This data has been assembled into The Clean Fuels Report comparison of fuel emissions and show that ethanol exhaust generates 2.14 times as much ozone as gasoline exhaust. When this is added into the custom Localized Pollution Index (LPI) of The Clean Fuels Report, the local pollution of ethanol (pollution that contributes to smog) is rated 1.7, where gasoline is 1.0 and higher numbers signify greater pollution. The California Air Resources Board formalized this issue in 2008 by recognizing control standards for formaldehydes as an emissions control group, much like the conventional NOx and Reactive Organic Gases (ROGs).
Its higher water content than gasoline also fucks up engines and causes rusting on internal components. We should be switching to ETBE, but because we'd be putting less of it in our cars compared to pure ethanol, lobbyists won't let us.
Manchin and Sinema have already said, once again, that they won't nuke the filibuster for it. It's DOA. Miscarried. Aborted.
That Monty Python skit about the dead parrot always comes to mind about the Dems saying they're totally going to pass a law...
I don't personally like Chief Justice Roberts, but that has to be heart wrenching for him to see - after decades of public service to try and make sure the Supreme Court is never seen as anything other than a hallowed ground of justice, he has to deal with all of this shit during his tenure. Roe v Wade is a huge overreach that Democrats had five decades to put into law and didn't and now the Supreme Court looks like some shithole in Seattle preparing for a riot. He's watching the institution he wanted to preserve be destroyed by the very people he saw as friends and compatriots.

Unheard of and remarkably sad.
That's his problem. All he had to do was take a decisive stand at some point and firmly assert the authority of both him and the court instead of side-stepping matters. But those who constantly step aside wind up on the outside sooner or later.
Gettin' a bit personal there, aren't ya, Hoagie?
Somebody has clearly never looked at Roe v. Wade actually says. If anything should have been aborted in this country, it was such a poorly-written decision.
the best solution overall would be a heavy handed crackdown against all who have children out of wedlock. remove all welfare, benefits and aid programs for single mothers to annihilate the welfare queen lifestyle once and for all. hunt down the runaway fathers, and force them to either do their duty to their family or get thrown in prison.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan warned his fellow Democrats fatherless welfare would have consequences back in 1965. They either didn't listen or considered the consequences a good thing.
Why do the liberals hate the 3/5ths compromise so much? If they had counted slaves (not blacks, there was no reference to race) as full people slavery would never have ended. They're so fucking retarded.
Because they're pissed the slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person for apportionment of direct taxation as well. The Dems have always hated being forced to choose between eating their cake and having it.

And fuck it, I ain't reading another 15 pages before I hit "Post Reply".
 
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