General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Twin Addler]

Someone pointed this out before, but the key to explosive popularity seems to be having an aquatic blue kusogaki character ("bluekogaki"?). We'll keep a lookout and see if it happens a third time.

So what you're saying is, Cover fucked up by limiting Chloe's power.

 

[Zinnaha]

Speaking of watching oshis, if you haven't already (and interested), this went from typical to "They'll be getting contacted on Slack after Golden Week" in a heartbeat.

 

[You're an idiot]

Is it exclusive to Japanese copyright laws tho? I thought it is the way copyright laws supposed to work anywhere in the world.

Any corpo, Japanese or not, would prefer not to spend their resource seeking permission if possible. But then some of them learned the hard way that game devs/pubs have power to wipe out their channels. So they seek for permissions before they stream to avoid headache later.

I think they would be more likely to lose in Japan, but I wouldn't have high hopes of them winning in the US. There is an argument that Hololive could force the issue to be settled in US court (venue agreements with YouTube and a US company being the one actually distributing it), but I'm not sure a Japanese court would buy that.

No one seems to want to force the issue in the US, leaving it a somewhat open question. I would expect the streamer to lose pretty decidedly, but I also expected Sargon to lose.

Let me do some extremely light interpretation of the copyright laws between the US and Japan, specifically in regards to games. In the United States, the copyright laws are currently recognized as such: if you are streaming a game/making a video about it, you are 'transforming' it because each playthrough and usually the commentary over it is creating a new and unique experience that is not a substitute for the game itself. Nobody has actually ever gone to court with this stuff though because not only is the generally held view that the US courts would ultimately side with streamers/youtubers because of our relaxed view on transforming content, but you would also incur extremely bad press and lose customers. Now, there are some interesting questions I'd like to see a court handle, like how are you transforming a piece of content if you upload a full, unedited playthrough of a walking simulator without any commentary at all, but this will likely not get answered unless some company would like to take the terrible PR hit over it.

Japan is not like that. Their view is completely different when it comes to how you can use copyrighted material and it usually amounts to something like this: Fuck you, I'll destroy you if you ever use this without my expressed permission. As far as I know they have no personal protections in the form of 'transformation of content'. This version of copyright law can be applied even to American youtubers/streamers because Youtube/Twitch operates inside Japan and has to follow their laws to be able to operate there. There is a way around that though. If you block a video from being shown inside of Japan, then there is no violation. Unironically that is a perfectly legal way around Japan's copyright retardation. If your business is outside Japan, you and Youtube both are not violating Japanese law because you are not distributing that product to Japan which means Japanese courts have no power and no case to hit you with. However, that Japanese game company can either send a team of lawyers over here, or use whatever American branch they own to sue you in the United States court system, but now they are subject to American copyright laws which would likely be unfavorable to them. The problem is that the tools to block videos in certain countries are not available to regular content creators. I won't explain that but it's retarded.

Every branch of Hololive is owned and operated by Cover Corp., which is a Japanese based business. This means there was no way around the Japanese faggotry associated with their draconian copyright system. Even if Cover blocked Japan's access to those video, it wouldn't matter because they are still distributing their illegal products from Japan. In conclusion, Hololive was always building their house on sandy ground because of their location. I don't think it's fair to shit on Cover for how retarded the law is over there, but they knew that it could happen, and Capcom is completely fine with bad press so what can you do?

Spoiler: Here's what you do as Cover.

You move your Headquarters to the United States. That means you buy a small shack in the middle of nowhere and have a ghost staff operate out of it so now you are a US based company just like Youtube. Now, as an MCN Cover has the tools to be able to block distribution to Japan. Obviously this doesn't work for the JP talents, and this means the EN and ID branches cannot be watched by the Japs when they play games without permission, but all the worldwide talents now get unfettered access to whatever they want without the Japanese law hanging over them. This would never happen but it's fun to think about!

 

[Tatsunoko]

 

[augment]

Fuck Withers. Cheating assholes. Been playing Minecraft ever since the pre-release days and never could defeat one of the fuckers, no matter what equipment or buffs I have. Worst video game boss ever. Good luck, Pikamee.

 

[Retink]

Go with whatever the voices in your heads tell you. It'll be funnier this way.

No, I must know! The voices won't let me sleep otherwise.

@Retink you got everyone talking about Pippa and that makes me smile. Thanks!
BTW Pippa might be asexual, or lonely....

It's how I do, and if she's just lonely I volunteer as tribute.

No, she just gets heavy gut punches for every yab shes done. Her job is just to be his personal ryona punching bag.

No Bully Pippa!

She said just a few streams ago that she's a furry but "not into the weird sexual stuff." Make of that what you will. The real discovery will be once her old cringe furry fanfics are dug up.

Well, ok, I guess we can work through that. I suppose wearing a shag rug helps with the fear of intimate contact.

 

[Beeg Booba Fishing]

Yeah guys make love not war etc... here's a reminder Reine's thing for the youtube music weekend starts in around 20. Ollie has a segment too afterwards.

 

[Scuttle]

I don't think it's fair to shit on Cover for how retarded the law is over there, but they knew that it could happen, and Capcom is completely fine with bad press so what can you do?

Just in case this conversation ends up as thread quicksand for the next few pages, or is brought up as people catch up and spark it up again, I was responding specifically to the wording of this post:

Hololive got fucked hard when a company decided to copyright strike (note: not DMCA) all the gameplay videos of their game. Took down all the videos in multiple channels some of which were never unprivated. To avoid that happening again they ask first.

(I'm sorry for tagging you again, FlappyBat).

I was responding specifically to something about Hololive, and it's unnatural to asterisk anything I say with examples of other companies doing the same because no one else does that so why should I?

Secondly, the phrasing at the end, to me, implied more of a casual verbal agreement rather than the standard of what Japanese copyright law expects of businesses. My correction in hindsight can certainly be read as brusque, mostly by the use of the word 'shirking", but it's not tribalistic nor was I spinning a narrative on it.

Just wanted to get that out there. Peace and love to a thread full of people who apparently don't like me but I'm still going to post my Oshi and respond as always!

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Edit: Roha is using 360° VR tech in her piano stream so you can look around while she plays. Just don't look down.

 

[EenGevolg]

Fuck off retard, good job not leaving a reflection in your pictures this time. That said, learn how to fucking edit a photo, I'd say your photo editting is what an Elementary schooler would put together for a Power Point, but that's actually age appropriate for you.

Hey man, say what you want about tribal shit throwing, MATI or not, but leave our autistic mascot out of it. As far as I can see, this just seems like specifying the circumstances, with about as much bait thrown in as you'd expect (kudos for pitching the other side of the fence, at least). To be fair, if @Scuttle suddenly started going on about how Niji did nothing wrong on year 1, and Nijisanji Resistance never happened, pitchforks would probably start going up. Long story short, JP copyright law bad, very retarded.

Now, Pokemon tax.

 

[masterstocking]

Iofi seems desperate for that verification check mark...

 

[paule]

Yeah guys make love not war etc... here's a reminder Reine's thing for the youtube music weekend starts in around 20. Ollie has a segment too afterwards.

3D Low-poly DJ Reine

Also Ollie is going to sing Holo songs translated into indonesian

 

[Slutpuppies]

[HOT GOS ALERT] [PINK CAT WARNING]

Seems everyone's least favourite(?) Pink Vtuber Nyanners has a boyfriend, and it is official! Hear it from the man himself:

Let's wish the couple many happy days and many entertaining meltdowns from their respective fanbases!
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Huh. Congrats to the pink hairs, I hope they're happy together! Athel's pretty dope, it's a way better choice than soda pops (besides him being loaded, and to that I say get money bish).

 

[Scuttle]

To be fair, if @Scuttle suddenly started going on about how Niji did nothing wrong on year 1, and Nijisanji Resistance never happened, pitchforks would probably start going up.

If I responded to that post with what I did and then said something like 'Nijisanji as a company were respecting game copyright by November 2018 and perhaps earlier' that would have actually been tribalistic and it would have been called out as such.

Niji aren't perfect and I never said they were. It's not hard to read what I write in the context I'm writing it in.

Posting on my profile about how they are going to 'dance on the grave of Niji graduations' is just weird because it's so far beyond the scope of anything that was being talked about.

 

[Mister Loser]

Is everyone having fun mooning over their parasocial cartoon girlfriend?

Look! Mine said something funny again:

Last night's Moominecraft was quite enjoyable. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually really glad Mumei is starting up the Minecraft arc again - something about her minecraft streams was always a bit more enjoyable to me than any of the other girls'.
I really hope that concept Ame planned out in her return stream like a week or so ago for a Hololive theme park gets fleshed out in MC. Feels like that was where they were going with it, anyway.

 

[thhrang]

No, I must know! The voices won't let me sleep otherwise.

The answer will be revealed to you in a dream once you finally let the voices completely consume you.

 

[Retink]

The answer will be revealed to you in a dream once you finally let the voices completely consume you.

Last time I did that I think I figured out perpetual motion, I'm just going to need monopole magnets now, and an energy efficient way to invert polarity on command.

 

[You're an idiot]

I was responding specifically to something about Hololive, and it's unnatural to asterisk anything I say with examples of other companies doing the same because no one else does that so why should I?

Secondly, the phrasing at the end, to me, implied more of a casual verbal agreement rather than the standard of what Japanese copyright law expects of businesses. My correction in hindsight can certainly be read as brusque, mostly by the use of the word 'shirking", but it's not tribalistic nor was I spinning a narrative on it.

Just wanted to get that out there. Peace and love to a thread full of people who apparently don't like me but I'm still going to post my Oshi and respond as always!

In the interest of full transparency I definitely read your post as a bit more harsh than you seem to have intended it, because Flappy's post, to me, doesn't seem like it needs any more clarification. They now ask for permission so they don't get anally violated by the retarded law. But whatever right? Wasn't it just a couple weeks ago when I used your's and another user's comments as a way to speak about something I thought was stupid, but it was assumed because of my phrasing that I was talking about you guys specifically? It doesn't matter in the end. I am a HoloCHAD and you are a Nijifag. Our love is forbidden. We're just like Kiara and Pomu. So close, yet always just out of reach.

Now, watch this Christian girl bleb for half a minute.

 

[kukkia]

Interesting Project Winter collab. I think this is technically Miori's first collab with an NijiEN member (Petra).

 

[Diya]

3D Low-poly DJ Reine

Actually fun and hype performance. Model is scuffed as expected, but song remixes been great.
Edit: This is actually much better than last year JP's concert cutout and Mori "I'm just gonna do karaoke stream from my room". Putting those connection and funds as literally princess to good use I say.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Less sperg, more clip

Spoiler: Opinions

VTuberCringe is a little too enthusiastic about defending loli stuff, which rubs me the wrong way

Who gives a shit about Pippa's politics. If people can support Disney and NBC, we can surely accept someone even if she really turns out to be left-of-center.

Copyright laws are kind of fucked, blame The Mouse for this

However Hololive was retarded for not covering their ass legally

I wish Nyanners all the best with her relationship!