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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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This pope might legitimately be one of the last, between churches in western europe becoming completely LGBT+ focused or turning into mosques, shitloads of priests being pedos and pissing off everyone in eastern europe by trying to visit putin so he can wash his feet like he did refugees in 2016 catholicism might really get another great schism that will finally put nails into it's coffin.
 
Everyday, Catholic peeps must feel like stupid assholes knowing the Waldensians and Episcopalians were the actually correct branch.
No wonder they are a joke
This pope might legitimately be one of the last, between churches in western europe becoming completely LGBT+ focused or turning into mosques, shitloads of priests being pedos and pissing off everyone in eastern europe by trying to visit putin so he can wash his feet like he did refugees in 2016 catholicism might really get another great schism that will finally put nails into it's coffin.
catholics were and always be a joke
 
the more solid approach would be to phase out gas as a power source entirely. replace gas cooking ovens with electric ones, replace gas power plants with nuclear, and replace gas heating with district heating. you'd still need gas for chemical industry, but that's a lot less volume and a lot less intertwined with critical infrastructure than energy itself. maybe scrap the eco retard regulations that make gas exploration and fracking illegal so you can cover your chem industry demand with domestic sources.
Not happening. Europe been too busy phasing out fossil fuels and nuclear power on their own continent like retards. The war has got many rethinking their non-viable stances, but it will take years to undo the damage at this point. They need alternate viable sources of fuel now.
 
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having your highest ranking diplomat rant about "this jew is actually a nazi, like hitler, who was probably jewish as well" really is next level vatnik schizophrenia.
like, in no possible universe does it make sense to make statements like that. jews will hate you for calling one of their own a nazi, nazis will hate you for calling their boss a jew, everybody else will consider you an insane lunatic and tell you to take your meds. you gain absolutely nothing, and lose a chunk of reputation and credibility. it's just absurd.
Cons: Destroy the delicate realpolitik detente you'd reached with Israel, giving them the green light to start sending advanced weapons to Ukraine and resume fucking with your allies abroad, as well as making you sound more like the geopolitical IRL schizoposter that you are

Pros: /pol/ calls you based and redpilled in relief

The big brain plays keep coming for the Monke Tsardom, I'm shitting my pants in terror of the endsieg against globohomo here.
 
I didn't mean in a human wave sense, just that Russia has more X Y and Z and that given a long enough time frame and a willingness to destroy infrastructure Russia will eventually at least get some of the land it wants at which point they will loudly declare they win and go home.

I don't think there's really a situation the Ukraine keeps all its territory or makes Russia give up. Unless they can somehow into Nato or the EU (but they won't do either)

Long range artillery is the key here. It's cheaper than rockets and cruise missiles and it's accurate enough to destroy large accumulations of hardware/armor/people. This is the reason Ukraine was begging for it for so long.

this is the map of Kharkiv les environs:

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basically, the biggest issue is that heavy artillery is not in range anymore. Russia is running low on missiles, probably beyond low as it takes them away not from warehouses but active units where they are needed for the defense.

Russia can't easily make or replenish those missile at the current rate. Sanctions will have more effect. Ukrainian politicians and state figures work pretty well to drum up support.

Russia is about 2% of world economy, US/UK are about 51% ... those are good odds NOT in Russia's favor.
 
Putin is never using nukes. I can't speak as to the reason why, but I just know at this point he wouldn't, either because he can't or because he still realizes that launching a nuke means the apocalypse for Russia. Russia can't get away with only launching one nuke, just one is enough to put everyone into scorched earth mode. If he resorts to nukes, he has to launch all of them and they have to be aimed at everyone who could possibly retaliate hoping the devastation would be enough to prevent them from taking retaliatory measures. Even if by some miracle he disables everyone's retaliatory nukes, somehow, it's open season on Russia for everybody in the whole world.
 
Putin is never using nukes. I can't speak as to the reason why, but I just know at this point he wouldn't, either because he can't or because he still realizes that launching a nuke means the apocalypse for Russia. Russia can't get away with only launching one nuke, just one is enough to put everyone into scorched earth mode. If he resorts to nukes, he has to launch all of them and they have to be aimed at everyone who could possibly retaliate hoping the devastation would be enough to prevent them from taking retaliatory measures. Even if by some miracle he disables everyone's retaliatory nukes, somehow, it's open season on Russia for everybody in the whole world.
the nuke thing would be career suicide for someone like Putin
 
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It be LITERAL suicide.

some time back there was a discussion about it.

1. Basically, West has some idea where Monke is hiding. It may not be hard to communicate that shit to him. At least they have good idea where some of these bunkers are.

2. Russians (specifically Patrushev) spoke in volumes about using tactical nukes, but limited in scope. It does not have to be global response and West also could communicate that limited nuke strike will be responded to with another limited nuke/or not strike on a target of their choosing.


There is a lot that goes behind closed doors that we don't know about. During Russia-China war over an island on Amur river, Chruschev was going to nuke Beijin (for real) and Nixon let him know that doing so will somehow get US involved. Chrustchev backed down to conventional means, but that threat did not become public until many decades later.

What I do know is that the whole hysteria over Monke doing nuke strike has toned down a whole lot from the West. The rhetoric about escalation also died down a whole lot too, especially that UK's Boris mentioned that UK won't need to confer with other NATO allies about making a strike on Russia with nukes.

I don't think that Monke cares about Russia or anyone there. He does care about himself and just may be about his own kids. A strike on Monke's bunker could make him change his mind.

I also think that despite all the troonery, Western intel services still have effective spy networks and may be even sources within monke's close crowd.
 
Putin is never using nukes. I can't speak as to the reason why, but I just know at this point he wouldn't, either because he can't or because he still realizes that launching a nuke means the apocalypse for Russia. Russia can't get away with only launching one nuke, just one is enough to put everyone into scorched earth mode. If he resorts to nukes, he has to launch all of them and they have to be aimed at everyone who could possibly retaliate hoping the devastation would be enough to prevent them from taking retaliatory measures. Even if by some miracle he disables everyone's retaliatory nukes, somehow, it's open season on Russia for everybody in the whole world.

I want you to be right so much that I kind of agree with you. I think the time to use nukes, even battlefield ones, was mid-April or late March even. They've been rolled back so hard, they're even losing ground in the East (somewhat?), it wouldn't gain them anything except a swift global response.
Also, fuck the pope and the papists who support him. "NATO's fault" fucking hell, we know you're a commie dude but come on.
 
Joe is a dangerous mad man that is sun setting
Are you kidding me? The Russians at this point can’t escalate. Politically, they’ve walked into a corner and escalating to tactical nuclear strikes means that Putin himself is likely to be targeted directly by NATO. With a tactical nuke.
 
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