Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[DumbDude42]

Why are you assuming only the Russians have artillery and drones in this war? Seems like a weird point to make when the Ukes have largely the same shit deployed as some kind of own. Msta, Giatsint, Pion, Grad, Smerch, etc.

because the russians have like 10 times more of it

 

[Givi]

The largely quantities of masses of abandoned equipment and the atrocities are a matter of record for anyone but Russian propagandists and those who believe them. There are so many recording where vehicles with crews of at least three were struck and no evidence of evacuation.

Anyone attempting to understand a war based on 30 second clips of shit exploding is a fucking retard, I'm sorry but there's no nicer way to say this. All of these clips are fairly irrelevant outside of the entertainment factor.

However the main point about the loss per vehicle is to highlight the incredible claims about Russian losses the Russian MoD makes.

Legitimately who cares. Nobody is going to tell the truth about their losses, it's the middle of war. You don't want to demoralize your men and you want to demoralize the others. You'd be a retard to believe either side's MoD. Armies couldn't count kills in previous wars and they certainly cannot count them now, even if they had the best intentions in mind.

Some of the Moskva sailors lost are now classed as AWOL and apparently the ship was not taking part in the 'special operation' when lost. The efforts of some of the next of kin to get answers appears the reason for this slight

Russian cope, who cares. Their navy sucks ass, always has and probably always will. Next of kin being unable to get answers is sad, but not really relevant to the situation on the ground.

. The initial operation was laughable with a vast confusion of vehicles and men of three sides of Kyiv, with similar at Cherniv and Sumy,

Obviously the first few days were rife with confusion, yes.

That supposedly elite operation was defeated by the most improvised forces Kyiv had.

If you're referring to the VDV drop on the airport, that's not the truth at all. The VDV's casualties notwithstanding, by all accounts they held Hostomel, and not against "improvised forces". Ukrainian special force were present there and fought them. The VDV held Hostomel until the Russian Army linked up with them, I understand that people have taken the VDV and started meming them, and I don't really care, but I don't think I need to point out that due to this "the VDV was shredded guys" meme, Ukrainian civilians were surprised to see them patrolling the outskirts of the airport the day after the initial air drop.

The sheer inability of Russian troops to deal effectively with ambushes is well known.

When you're trying to gun it full speed around cities, through well defended bush and forests, yes, your ability to deal with ambushes is going to suck ass. That phase of the war is over and done with, it was an OK idea if they expected the UAF to collapse, but they didn't, and it failed. I really don't see how this is relevant to this phase of the war, where advances are counted in meters and not kilometers, and every inch of land is fought over, and half the fighting is done in urban settings.

Firing of Russian artillery to destroy vast urban areas, a blanket bombing from the ground, is the main Russian tactic. It was a characteristic of the second Chechen War, the Russian effort in Syria where urban areas where the Russian forces under Dvornikov battered cities until their populace could take no more, and now in Ukraine.

OK?

This has to be contrasted with Ukrainian operations into Russia which resulted in few to almost no civilian casualties.

Seriously what relevance is this? I don't care about the 6 gorillion civilians dying, that sucks, but I'm here because I like wars and seeing them happen. Mass war crimes and repeating Grozny, unless it's militarily relevant, I really couldn't less about. If you're going to kvetch about civilian casualties, by all means do so, but find someone else to argue with because I don't deny them and I don't care to discuss them either.

Russia keeps launching precisely scheduled wave attacks which makes almost no progress

Citation needed. 99% of attacks that Russia launches are meant to prove Ukrainian defenses, and progress is made daily. Today, the UAF likely retreated from Popasna, one of the most heavily defended cities in the Donbas.

, and there are reported loss of ground around Kharkiv and Kherson.

Kharkiv yes, the Russians abandoned many villages in the face of a Ukrainian counter-offensive because they did not have enough men to properly defend against it. They're currently attempting to secure a 7-8km buffer zone from the Russian border to Kharkiv, but most sources believe that more men must be sent to that front if this is to be achieved.

Kherson? No. There has been no UAF gains in that area in weeks and no Russian offensives. The battlefield there is reported as being static as the bombing of Mykolaiv continues. The Kryivi-Rih offensive is also stopped as the surrounding villages are bombed.

Aside from Kherson, Russia hasn't taken a single large urban area in this war. Mariupol is still contested, and utterly wrecked.

Mariupol is not contested and it's major cope to say so. Most Russian and DPR troops, as well as all the Chechens, have already been removed and redeployed to other fronts. What remains is a bunch of soldiers low on ammo, with no medicine or food, begging Turkey and their president to arrange a way for them to leave ASAP and occasionally staging breakout attempts that result in all of them being captured, wounded or killed, such as yesterday when a group attempted to leave through a field and was captured, and another attempted to leave in a car which resulted in 1 dead and 6 wounded.

The weaknesses of Russian communications and command coordination is well known. Operations with little or no coordination was the story of Russian military operations in the north. Use of Chinese made Baofeng civilian walkie talkies has been claimed by Ukrainians, but while not confirmed,

If it is not confirmed; then it is irrelevant. All of what you said, while it can easily be inferred in the North, is not true in the South and is already old news at this point.

Convoys without escort were possible in Syria, but ambush has a rich source of success for Ukrainian troops and foreign contingents like the battle hardened Georgian Legion.

Was. That ended with the North offensive. Why are you constantly bringing up shit that isn't relevant to the current situation on the ground anymore?

The partly Chinese made R-187P1 Azart is supposed to provide Russian troops with secure comms, but it has had severe issues and there are notable doubts about how many units have access to them. Its manufacturer has been investigated for the usual embezzlement. Early doubts about Russian comms have been borne out b

> One of the most striking images from Russia’s war in Ukraine so far has been the photograph of a civilian handheld radio. Although impossible to confirm, sources on social media said this radio had been captured by Ukrainian troops

Great source. Next time link directly to Twitter so I don't waste my time reading this shit.

Incredibly some troops are relying on mobile phones for communication despite them being meant, wisely, to be left behind or confiscated if found.

Citation needed, unless you're stupid enough to believe what the SBU puts out.

Ukrainian intelligence can be contrasted to Russian efforts where an assassination squad brought a copy of the Sims rather than sim cards.

Seriously, no offense but you're a complete moron. Attempting to compare intelligence agencies using this is so stupid I legitimately have nothing else to say, everyone with working brain cells should be able to recognize how stupid this argument is.

Not sending their best. This claimed intercept with 25k losses has more credibility than the tiny numbers Peskov asserts have been lost. Many claims are propagandistic, but what matters is results, and Russia has not been shown results.

You're arguing in complete bad faith. If the tiny numbers bother you so much, then I can't imagine how much it bothers you the 3 instances where the Ukrainian government posted videogame footage and passed it off as true and honest. You're clearly attempting to cope and believing what you want to despite there being no proof, and that's fine, but don't shit up the thread with uneducated opinions and walls of text with nothing of value in them.

25,000 losses would imply around 80,000 wounded as well, which would have effectively ended Russian military involvement in Ukraine. These numbers, simply, cannot be true either. And just for good measure, I'm going to call you a drooling moron again for unironically believing wartime propaganda from one of the war's belligerents.

By the by, found this funny Russian propaganda where Moslem migration to Europe is attacked, the masculinity of European men attacked, but Russia has a vast level of migration from almost wholly Moslem Central Asia (many bewildered migrants have been taken as prisoner) which adds to an already large native Moslem population.

How the fuck is this relevant to this war? I don't care. I'm not Russian and I most definately don't spend my time on the internet chimping out about sand niggos. I've never seen a Buryat or Tajik and I probably never will in my entire life.

@ColtWalker1847

Why are you assuming only the Russians have artillery and drones in this war? Seems like a weird point to make when the Ukes have largely the same shit deployed as some kind of own. Msta, Giatsint, Pion, Grad, Smerch, etc.

The Russians have a lot more of all of these things, and more by the day as Ukrainian artillery is destroyed by the Russians and cannot be easily replaced, while the Russians have more than enough of this shit on stockpile to replenish any losses. Remember that Russia has one of the most artillery-heavy armies on Earth. I can't find the article now, and witness accounts aren't worth much in war, but a Ukrainian soldier in the Donbas claimed for every 3 artillery shells they fire, the Russians fire 300.

Also worth nothing is that the Russians can bring much more of their artillery force to bear on any given target - they're not defending and don't need reserves in several places like the Ukrainians do.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I keep hearing about Russians not having personal phones & their infosec being locked down.

Yet then we get shit Russian GoPro footage on the regular, like the one a couple pages back; where a based red goes for some inspiring TikTok footage, but forgets the backblast & gets his arm/hand & face fired up instead.

And most of them were also wearing Soviet flag morale-patches. Surely this footage is Putin-approved, right?



Edit: And in other news (though 3 days old), a medic becomes the first female Russian soldier to be killed in Ukraine.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

To help secure the island until they get something better in maybe? Whatever the reason it was there. Then it got blown up.

And that TEL sure looks like a Tor 9A330/9A331 to me. I thought Osa used that three axle truck thingy as a TEL.

https://nitter.eu/UAWeapons/status/1522525618432315393#m

I am not able to discern the wheels/tracks since the video is too low quality .... So you might be right (I can see how it might be a tacked vehicle). I would make sense they are putting it as some sort of early warning/missile interceptor for RU navy actions.
It does seem even odder they didn't have an additional antenna set for the Tor setup so it doesn't have to get whacked for using its own radar. I was expecting something like a 9S15M Obzor-3 (see picture) and a command vehicle to link it. Guess I expected too much.

 

[kuuu]

I keep hearing about Russians not having personal phones & their infosec being locked down.

Yet then we get shit Russian GoPro footage on the regular, like the one a couple pages back; where a based red goes for some inspiring TikTok footage, but forgets the backblast & gets his arm/hand & face fired up instead.
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Red bands are LDPR forces. They are not regular Russian army who have white bands. If you see white bands with phones - those are Kadyrovites.
I could also speculate that by this point, some Russian volunteers are probably on the battlefield and who knows what rules apply to them. They would probably be wearing white bands too.

Edit: And in other news (though 3 days old), a medic becomes the first female Russian soldier to be killed in Ukraine.

Lovely comments.


Relatives' pages confirm KIA.
Her mother's comment:
"I was told yesterday that Valyushka had died under mortar shelling. She was a paramedic. She was saving the lives of others. But she couldn't save herself."

 

[Givi]

I keep hearing about Russians not having personal phones & their infosec being locked down.

Yet then we get shit Russian GoPro footage on the regular, like the one a couple pages back; where a based red goes for some inspiring TikTok footage, but forgets the backblast & gets his arm/hand & face fired up instead.
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And most of them were also wearing USSR morale-patches. Surely this footage is Putin-approved, right?

These are likely LPR (O group?) The LPR are well known for being Soviet LARPers (they had a few international commie volunteers back in the day), which means that despite the forced buttfucking of the Russian military, they're still the gayest force fighting in this war.

They are also decidedly less competent than the DPR, or at least, that's the impression I've always had, if anyone here has more knowledge of them I'd like to hear it. This war hasn't changed my opinions as I've heard their commanders derided for being retards who send their troops into meat grinders.

LPR and separatist troops in general are not allowed to have phones, but the rumor has it that they were not removed prior to the start of the invasion and so, if your superior doesn't catch you using it, you may be able to keep it. I've heard a fighter say that even if they do find you with one, if they're cool, they'll let you keep it as long as you don't have any sensitive shit on it. But this is all anecdotal evidence, of course.

 

[White_N]

I keep hearing about Russians not having personal phones & their infosec being locked down.

Yet then we get shit Russian GoPro footage on the regular, like the one a couple pages back; where a based red goes for some inspiring TikTok footage, but forgets the backblast & gets his arm/hand & face fired up instead.
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Aren't red armbands republican ones?
From what I heard, they are also prohibited from having phones, but the rules for them are not enforced as strictly.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

because the russians have like 10 times more of it

Do they really? Or is this like the tank thing where we count rotten pieces of shit in Siberia? If we are then the Ukes have shitload of artillery too. They are a post-Soviet state and have tons of that shit lying around too. The Russians aren't alone here.

Also, point of note, the new Russian BTG-based army isn't the old Soviet one. They have a lot less organic artillery in their units than the old days. 6 tubes per BTG (18 per regiment plus 8 mortars). If they wanna Grozny some place they have to bring in guns and MRLS from division-level.

 

[K-Hole]

The person who invented this forum is a fucking spastic that can't even figure out how we get to quote posts! What a fuckwit!

But never mind about him. HIS FORUM USERS HATE HIM!

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/russian-invasion-of-ukraine-2022-thread-1.107023/page-299#post-11243143

Where is he now?

Bald and morally fucking bankrupt! Love him!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10793001/British-YouTube-star-arrested-near-Russian-spaceport-Kazakhstan-alongside-female-companion.html

https://archive.ph/5WUK6

If Coach Red Pill can't be our sacrifice to the Gods, please let it be Bald and Morally Bankrupt!

Amen.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Do they really? Or is this like the tank thing where we count rotten pieces of shit in Siberia? If we are then the Ukes have shitload of artillery too. They are a post-Soviet state and have tons of that shit lying around too. The Russians aren't alone here.

Also, point of note, the new Russian BTG-based army isn't the old Soviet one. They have a lot less organic artillery in their units than the old days. 3-6 tubes per BTG (8-18 per regiment). If they wanna Grozny some place they have to bring in guns and MRLS from division-level.

I'm not shure why you think artillery for the Russians is this kind of lost technology that they can't produce in enormous quantities.

The Chinese and the Japanese had an enormous amount of cannons and firearms dating back to the 16th-17th centuries and they still worked fine in the 19th century. (as attested by many European sources from the Opium wars and the Bakumatsu period)

I'm shure the Russians are really familiar with their weaponry and they know how to maintain them in enormous quantities despite being decades old.

 

[kuuu]

The person who invented this forum is a fucking spastic that can't even figure out how we get to quote posts! What a fuckwit!

But never mind about him. HIS FORUM USERS HATE HIM!

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/russian-invasion-of-ukraine-2022-thread-1.107023/page-299#post-11243143

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Bald and morally fucking bankrupt! Love him!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10793001/British-YouTube-star-arrested-near-Russian-spaceport-Kazakhstan-alongside-female-companion.html

https://archive.ph/5WUK6

If Coach Red Pill can't be our sacrifice to the Gods, please let it be Bald and Morally Bankrupt!

Amen.

Decided to see if his buddy Roman had something to say about it. He did not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNVcLygz2s

And I wish I didn't check.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

I'm not shure why you think artillery for the Russians is this kind of lost technology that they can't produce in enormous quantities.

I didn't. I'm questioning why people don't assume the same for Ukrainians. Ruskies aren't the only ones with large military equipment graveyards, depots, and arms industry. Not to mention whatever the west ships in. The US has something like 350 retired M198s just sitting in depot alone.

 

[FrickinFrackinFruckin]

The person who invented this forum is a fucking spastic that can't even figure out how we get to quote posts! What a fuckwit!

But never mind about him. HIS FORUM USERS HATE HIM!

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/russian-invasion-of-ukraine-2022-thread-1.107023/page-299#post-11243143

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Where is he now?

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Bald and morally fucking bankrupt! Love him!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10793001/British-YouTube-star-arrested-near-Russian-spaceport-Kazakhstan-alongside-female-companion.html

https://archive.ph/5WUK6

If Coach Red Pill can't be our sacrifice to the Gods, please let it be Bald and Morally Bankrupt!

Amen.

This guy was lucky to get out of Ukraine when Russian invaded. Why would you risk going to an ally of Russia when you should know they might arrest you. Stupid British fuck!

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

With Popasnaya seemingly captured by Russian forces, it does significantly strengthen the Russian position in Donbass, and will make some good propaganda just in time for May 9th.

Russia needed a W to distract from the fact they're getting pushed back or actively retreating from Kharkiv and they got a legitimate one that actually matters.

Not a retreat, just phase 2.




The largely quantities of masses of abandoned equipment and the atrocities are a matter of record for anyone but Russian propagandists and those who believe them. There are so many recording where vehicles with crews of at least three were struck and no evidence of evacuation. However the main point about the loss per vehicle is to highlight the incredible claims about Russian losses the Russian MoD makes. Some of the Moskva sailors lost are now classed as AWOL and apparently the ship was not taking part in the 'special operation' when lost. The efforts of some of the next of kin to get answers appears the reason for this slight. The initial operation was laughable with a vast confusion of vehicles and men of three sides of Kyiv, with similar at Cherniv and Sumy, VDV getting stuck in lifts or being left as garrison troops in Hostomel airport. That supposedly elite operation was defeated by the most improvised forces Kyiv had. Overdosing on copium isn't wise. The sheer inability of Russian troops to deal effectively with ambushes is well known.

Firing of Russian artillery to destroy vast urban areas, a blanket bombing from the ground, is the main Russian tactic. It was a characteristic of the second Chechen War, the Russian effort in Syria where urban areas where the Russian forces under Dvornikov battered cities until their populace could take no more, and now in Ukraine. This has to be contrasted with Ukrainian operations into Russia which resulted in few to almost no civilian casualties. Russia keeps launching precisely scheduled wave attacks which makes almost no progress, and there are reported loss of ground around Kharkiv and Kherson.

Aside from Kherson, Russia hasn't taken a single large urban area in this war. Mariupol is still contested, and utterly wrecked.

The weaknesses of Russian communications and command coordination is well known. Operations with little or no coordination was the story of Russian military operations in the north. Use of Chinese made Baofeng civilian walkie talkies has been claimed by Ukrainians, but while not confirmed, the poor performance around Kyiv, Cherniv, Sumy, where VDV troopers were lost while assets that could have supported them were close by, and armor was repeatedly sent into urban areas unsupported. Convoys without escort were possible in Syria, but ambush has a rich source of success for Ukrainian troops and foreign contingents like the battle hardened Georgian Legion. Sputnik, RIA Novosti and Tass might Russia troops have the best possible communication gear, but we have a reality of the present disaster. The partly Chinese made R-187P1 Azart is supposed to provide Russian troops with secure comms, but it has had severe issues and there are notable doubts about how many units have access to them. Its manufacturer has been investigated for the usual embezzlement. Early doubts about Russian comms have been borne out by repeated operations where expensively trained troops and some very expensive equipment was squandered by a failure to use vehicles and soldiers mouldering nearby. Incredibly some troops are relying on mobile phones for communication despite them being meant, wisely, to be left behind or confiscated if found.

Ukrainian intelligence can be contrasted to Russian efforts where an assassination squad brought a copy of the Sims rather than sim cards. Not sending their best. This claimed intercept with 25k losses has more credibility than the tiny numbers Peskov asserts have been lost. Many claims are propagandistic, but what matters is results, and Russia has not been shown results.

It's all a bit like how the Argentine junta kept claiming success after success in the Falklands War, and the response when the reality became clear was popular rage. I suspect a good many more recruitment offices (which hold local records of those liable for service), beyond the present one, will be torched, and munition works sabotaged.

By the by, found this funny Russian propaganda where Moslem migration to Europe is attacked, the masculinity of European men attacked, but Russia has a vast level of migration from almost wholly Moslem Central Asia (many bewildered migrants have been taken as prisoner) which adds to an already large native Moslem population.

Mariupol is taken, and saying it's not is basically just cope posting. However I'd argue that Mariupol is the only city that Russia has taken while Ukraine was ready. Kherson fell in the first few days of the war, before Ukraine mobilized and when the vast majority of it's troops were still in Donbass. Now the element of strategic surprise is long, long gone. So we won't see any cities fall in just a few days like Kherson did, it will be street by street, building by building, room by room fighting.

I think the retreat/push back if you prefer from Kharkiv is representative of that. Despite Vatniks being maximalist, wanting to see Novorussiya established, and land locking Ukraine, all while parroting hilariously skewed casualty ratios in favor of Russia, Russia can see the actual situation. The endgame of this war, either by treaty or turning into a stalemate, will probably look pretty similar to the battle maps we currently have with most of the changes being at Donbass, major cities are a meatgrinder.

 

[Hell on Earth]

I didn't. I'm questioning why people don't assume the same for Ukrainians. Ruskies aren't the only ones with large military equipment graveyards, depots, and arms industry. Not to mention whatever the west ships in. The US has something like 350 retired M198s just sitting in depot alone.

The Ukres had a massive military in 1991 but a lot of the personel returned to Russia and an enormous amount of equipment was sold to sandnigger and nigger nations.

I'm shure they have a massive stockpile of soviet shit but it pales in comparison to what they had in 1991.

 

[Garm]

Why are you assuming only the Russians have artillery and drones in this war? Seems like a weird point to make when the Ukes have largely the same shit deployed as some kind of own. Msta, Giatsint, Pion, Grad, Smerch, etc.

One of the articles I posted a while ago. (https://www.digitaljournal.com/worl...elentless-russian-onslaught-in-donbas/article)

Ukrainian soldier claims "for every 300 shells the Russians fire, we fire 3 back."

Sounds like a massive discrepancy.

 

[OG Swolemaster]

HOMOSEXUAL BANDERITE VIOLENCE:


Translated:

 

[Titos]

Her mother's comment:
"I was told yesterday that Valyushka had died under mortar shelling. She was a paramedic. She was saving the lives of others. But she couldn't save herself."

Damn, another one fell to the fate of of Darth Plagueis. Fuckin' Sheev man.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

One of the articles I posted a while ago. (https://www.digitaljournal.com/worl...elentless-russian-onslaught-in-donbas/article)

Ukrainian soldier claims "for every 300 shells the Russians fire, we fire 3 back."

Sounds like a massive discrepancy.

Speaking of discrepancy

But the balance of power remains hugely disproportionate, with Russia up to “five times stronger in terms of equipment”, says Iryna Terehovych, a 40-year-old sergeant in the 123rd Ukrainian brigade.
“We need tanks, artillery, anti-tank missiles,” she told AFP.
“In Kreminna, we only had a few NLAW anti-tank missile systems and some didn’t even work.”

Alexa, where is the 123rd Ukrainian brigade from and what kind of unit is it?
Territorials from Mykolaiv, you say? Well that certainly explains the 40 year old female sergeant and why they are short of equipment. But how were they in Kremmina?

Why do you trust journoscum? We all know they lie to craft narratives. This is a "pwease send more tonks and boom-boom" fluff piece where they play fast and loose with the truth. Even the 93rd Mech guys in the article were like "yeah, we got this. we just have to be smarter." and it got trimmed to fit the narrative.

 

[redicart]

@Givi

No, it's a hallmarlk of an army that doesn't have enough guided munitions and/or airburst shells. 5-6" unguided shell is gonna do jack shit against a simple blindage or a trench unless it''s a direct hit. MLRS is also incredibly weak against entrenched personnel. If you bothered to read witnesses' accounts, it was air support that helped tremendously with the advance bc they have high-caliber bombs capable of knocking out fortifications and they're much more precise than arty.


Didn't know Baofengs have DMR capabilities. Same goes for Soviet-era radios found in abandoned vehicles.

LOL. Shit, a dumber nigger has never been born. You must be a Pollack or maybe a dog ape hybrid.

I know. You are one of those Polish Million Star Generals just waiting for your German/French masters to unleash you against the Russians.

You should go to Ukraine and spend time getting artillery dropped on you. You might learn a thing or two and not rely on stupid ass "witness accounts" you read online.