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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
THe funny thing is, the decision of states and cities to defy the Federal government was unthinkable as little as 15 years ago.

The "Sanctuary Cities" and all that shit during 2020 really has made the states and various large cities look at the Fed and go "Fuck you."

It's the hilarious "consequences of their own actions" back again to curb stomp the Left.
 
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Imagine all the learned lawyers and jurists (even the great RBG) not seeing this paragon of Constitutional analysis.
 
A recounting of completely anecdotal observances that according to my unqualified opinion could have serious long term impacts on the future of the US.
Alright so earlier today I moseyed on over to /r/TwoXChromosomes and saw some very interesting things, women, liberal women were talking about getting sterilized or praising their male partners for getting sterilized. I saw much discussion about a list on another subreddit (/r/ChildFree) which contains names and locations of hundreds of medical professionals willing to perform sterilizations of both males and females with little or no hassle. All of this is because of a leaked draft opinion and a handful of states that have either passed or are working on passing laws. I repeat, hundreds if not thousands of liberals both male and female many of whom are childless are electing to sterilize themselves as a result of a leaked draft opinions and a handful of states legislating. I saw a comment from one redditor saying that a nurse working for doctor they were seeking a consultation on sterilization from said that their phones were practically ringing off the hook. That is a single location. I could see tens if not hundreds of thousands opting for Sterilization when Roe is overturned and Abortion is outlawed in several states, and the number will only be increasing when bans on Contraception come.

They are literally denying themselves the ability to create more voters, this coupled with Anti-troon and fag laws stopping emigration and even causing flight from red states is a massive victory for Republicans.
Remember, Birth rates for White Conservatives are higher than that of White Liberals and mass Voluntary sterilization is not going to help that.
Good but we're gonna need to kill the sterilized ones anyways at this rate.
They're gonna kill people over this. Killing for the "right" to kill. If anyone doubted which side had the moral right...

What happens if they clip Kavanaugh or Alito? I mean it's not like Biden has to replace them with a conservative. This could go very badly.
 
exactly like banning recreational pharmaceuticals
Close but not exactly.

USPS:
First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mail piece. Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence and therefore may be opened without a warrant.

So the question is who can open you mail. While my citation does not exclude local police officers, I believe that it implies that only USPS Postal Inspectors with a warrant can open a piece of first class postage. Now the question it if USPS Postal inspectors would? I do not believe so. The law is enacted by the State of Tennessee not the federal government. Furthermore, illicit recreational pharmaceuticals are illicit under federal law thereby allowing a federal warrant to be issued. As the abortifacients are not illegal under federal law, no basis for the warrant is present.

What about the mailbox?
Mail still in the mailbox is within the reasonable expectations of privacy that is protected by the Fourth Amendment. Therefore, the police cannot read through your mail. Opening the mail is illegal, but reading the outside of the envelope is not.
 
How will they enforce this legislation?

The pills come from an out of state manufacturing plant in a blue state, it is sealed in a non-descript package, the package is affixed with postage and enters the mail system, the mail is processed at a federal facility, the letter under federal possession is delivered to a person's home likely at the door as it's a package, as the package is left by the door it's considered curtilage any search is going to require a good reason.

Republican State Legislatures,

Please don't be fucking idiots.

Here is why these idiots are legally going to get BTFO'ed.
The same way that blue states enforce bans on gun parts and ammunition: sue the sellers. Doesn't matter that they aren't physically located in your state or even if you win the lawsuit. The legal harassment has gotten sellers of federally legal firearms accessories to stop shipping product to blue states, even if they weren't sued themselves. Now, this is less likely to work with the megadonors behind Planned Parenthood and Big Pharma than with the small businesses that make up the American gun industry, but there is nothing stopping red states from copying this tactic that the Democrats have been using for years. The argument that "imagine what the left will do if you do this" doesn't work when they've already shown that they have no boundaries and have already done the "unprecedented" thing.
 
Good but we're gonna need to kill the sterilized ones anyways at this rate.


What happens if they clip Kavanaugh or Alito? I mean it's not like Biden has to replace them with a conservative. This could go very badly.
I'm trying not to think about this too much. Because I think they could literally mow down all the conservative justices and replace them with retarded Jumanji types, and get away with it.
 
"States can't ban Abortion. Roe V. Wade. Casey V. Planned Parenthood" Neither of those cases mattered much in Texas during September of 2021.
Casey and Carey were much more founded in an actual right of privacy. They also didn't involve killing a fetus. And people have been using contraception for a very, very long time. Even a lot of the legal opposition to condoms in the later nineteenth century came out of an emphasis on using other types of contraceptives.

But mainly, contraceptives don't kill babies. It would be very, very hard for a legislature to survive the political backlash of banning the purchase of condoms at Walmart.
 
"States can't ban Abortion. Roe V. Wade. Casey V. Planned Parenthood" Neither of those cases mattered much in Texas during September of 2021.
Okay, tell me how you'd draft a contraception ban that would pass Constitutional muster. Keep in mind Alito's draft doesn't change anything with respect to contraception. "Roe's defenders characterize the abortion right as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged[.]"

More to the point, why would any state criminalize contraception? Is that a majority opinion, or even something that is seriously contemplated, anywhere?
 
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Imagine all the learned lawyers and jurists (even the great RBG) not seeing this paragon of Constitutional analysis.
The plain language of the Thirteenth Amendment does enable Congress to affirmatively make laws applying to public and private actors forbidding involuntary servitude. It was fairly sharply circumscribed, however, in the Civil Rights Cases which held that private individuals preventing black people from voting wasn't imposing a "badge" of slavery and thus was outside the power of Congress to address (NB: this was in the late 1800s). I think it's been used a couple of times, once in the '50s when realtors wouldn't convey property to black homebuyers. I think it would be tough to make a Thirteenth Amendment argument, especially since any judge who looks at the legislative history of the Thirteenth Amendment (i.e. to stop black people from being slaves) would say the law's application to abortion could only be justified by totally ignoring the Amendment's wording (involuntary servitude has a legal meaning predating the Amendment, obviously), jurisprudence, legislative history, and context of passage.

But, hey, if they write a brief justifying a federal abortion law on the basis of section 2 of the Thirteenth Amendment, I'd read and consider it. At worst, it would just be totally wrong.
 
Okay, tell me how you'd draft a contraception ban that would pass Constitutional muster. Keep in mind Alito's draft doesn't change anything with respect to contraception. "Roe's defenders characterize the abortion right as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged[.]"

More to the point, why would any state criminalize contraception? Is that a majority opinion, or even something that is seriously contemplated, anywhere?
Why? Cause fuck these heauxs that's why.
 
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Okay, tell me how you'd draft a contraception ban that would pass Constitutional muster.
Griswold is a terrible case for the same reason that Roe and Casey are: they are all judicial activism not based upon the text of the Constitution. Even if Griswold was reaffirmed after a ban was appealed to the Supreme Court, which is unlikely given the Roe decision, that wouldn't stop it from being banned in the meantime, especially if the lower court judges are sympathetic to the law. I hate constantly bringing up guns, but an example of this tactic working is literally every single piece of gun control legislation. They are all plainly unconstitutional under the Second Amendment, yet lower court judges refuse to enact injunctions or they uphold the laws due to their political biases, and on the rare case the Supreme Court hears the case, the Democrat controlled state legislatures pass a slightly reworded law and the pro-gun crowd has to start all over from square one. If the pro-life crowd uses the same tactics that the anti-gun crowd has been using for the past several decades, they could ban whatever they want provided their circuit court judges agree with them because the Supreme Court hears so few cases a year.

All of this is moot though as I don't think there are any serious proposals to ban contraceptives. Plan B, maybe, but definitely not condoms, the pill, IUDs, etc.
 
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And on the other side of the political aisle, we have incels blaming da joos for promiscuity:

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I don't think it's a good enough method if you really want to be sure. Its not one I'd use. People do, though, and they're as protected from pregnancy as condom users. But I think condoms aren't, either. Both are significantly better pregnancy prevention practices than nothing. If nothing else, it's worth learning what the efficacy is for anyone prepper-inclined, since outside of abstinence or sodomy, it's the most reliable contraception available to the post-apocalyptic couple.
What about blowjobs?
THe funny thing is, the decision of states and cities to defy the Federal government was unthinkable as little as 15 years ago.

The "Sanctuary Cities" and all that shit during 2020 really has made the states and various large cities look at the Fed and go "Fuck you."

It's the hilarious "consequences of their own actions" back again to curb stomp the Left.
It's pretentious as fuck, but describing the left nowadays (saying as a life long leftist up until sometime in 2017) as a book title would be The Vitriol of Ideological Somnabulists. Utterly brainwashed people.
 
You know it's almost like abortion is a complex issue that should not be relied on solely as a court decision forever.

Call me crazy but there should be a middle ground between "Anyone who had a abortion should be tied to a pole and set on fire" and "have a right to abortion for any reason between the ages of "freshly shot load" all the way to "child is able to run out of abortion clinic screaming".
 
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