Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Here's a meme I like a lot
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Star Wars fans circa 2015 - 2017.

That's how it is with lots of media. Even comic books prior to the SJW invasion were like that. For example, the so-called Death of Superman arc in DC comics was considered by many comic fans at the time of its release to be a heart-wrenching affair in which America's poster-boy superhero died fighting for what he believed in. It was even in the news, and some old-time fans were outright shocked by it.

It was conceived by a bunch of suits in charge of DC because no one gave a shit about Superman. They just decided to have him get killed off by some spiky, gray version of the Hulk because the character was about as exciting as a box of rocks.

Shit, you can even figure out the fact that TCW came into being because Lucas and his crew were lambasted for the Prequels, and no one outside the very niche fan community gave a shit about the books that filled in the gaps between the Prequels, so they created a show that retconned a ton of Clone Wars lore, and it "saved" the Prequels in the eyes of the public, because the public doesn't have time to read books like the Republic Commando novels or the Clone Wars-era comics.

Few stories are made with the intent of Ars Gratia Artis. (KOTOR, Thrawn Trilogy, the movies) Most are just made for the cheap sense of making a buck. Even story moments like Mara Jade's death were caused not by authors working together to come up with an emotional, hard-hitting event, but because the authors were bickering with each other and weren't even in sync.

In short, fans see epic stuff going on, but if you want to keep your view of that, it's better to not see how the sausages are being made.

That being said, there are still things made honestly for the sake of having fun. For example, a lot of the video game levels where you play as Darth Vader are made just so the player can have fun playing as the most recognizable SW character in the films.

You want to play as Vader in the first-ever lightsaber duel that graced the big screen? Here you go:

You want to play as Vader as he fucking annihilates an army far stronger than your average army, with the full power of the Force? Go for it:

You want to play as Vader as he spearheads an airborne invasion of the Rebel Base on Yavin IV and blow to bits an entire fleet of transports carrying Rebel supplies, as well as an entire armada of starfighters? We got what you want:

All these levels are just made so that you can play as the powerful masked man and blow idiots away with your awesome powers and gadgets. It's not made to be a poignant tale of good and evil, it's just the video game equivalent of playing with a Darth Vader action figure. But hey, it's tons of fun!

And the way I see it, if you can't shoot for KOTOR/Thrawn Trilogy levels of good, then the least you can do is lather on the fanservice and make it fun for the reader/player/viewer. At least they get their money's worth, and you make something that has a viable future in being expanded upon. Books like Tales of the Jedi and Dark Empire aren't placed on a pedestal by SW fans, but they're nonetheless very fun, and they generate their own stories that could be expanded upon; Dark Empire was expanded upon by Crimson Empire, and the old-world SW that Tales of the Jedi brought to us was expanded upon by the KOTOR games.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

How is Rian Johnson "hollywood Royalty"? He worked on only four movies and Breaking Bad before the tlj. Say what you want about the guy but picking him was very much of a off hand pick.

Something about his wife being a hotshit "film" critic and leader of a Hollywood clique who can elevate or destroy people so everyone tries to kiss her ass by giving her manlet potato husband work.

Spoiler alert: Vader kills Reva!

So Drinker was right: black Kween is really good inside and is now the key to everything. lol Disney.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Rick Worley returns!

I'm in the middle of watching this right now.

It's arguably better than Worley's last video. The level of research on display throughout is mind-boggling.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

Rick Worley returns!

Perhaps the single best YouTube channel for understanding Star Wars as a visual/audial work of art by George Lucas.

We had such a treasure on our hands… a truly innovative franchise, whether in be in the film, video game, or merchandising spheres.

 

[PuffyGroundCloud]

Filoni definitely made Rosario Dawson cosplay as Ashoka in slave costume for his “private” collection

 

[Mr. 0]

dave filoni is a orange pedophile

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Spoiler alert: Vader kills Reva!

So basically how Vader killer the Second Sister in Jedi Fallen Order.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Just out of curiosity what was everyone’s general consensus on Rogue One? We all know the sequels were almost all considered to be poorly mismanaged, unimaginative and soulless messes that screwed up The series for virtually everyone. But Rogue stands out honestly as being really overlooked and honestly not bad in its own right. The whole concept of retelling the original saga from a different narrative angle with entirely new characters was really fresh and original. All the characters were likeable and memorable and providing classic scenes rendered in modern special effects filled my nostalgia quota way more than any of the other sequels did. It’s honestly the best film out of all the Disney Star Wars films to date. Don’t know how controversial that is but it’s what I feel.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Fans have decided that ‘The Last Jedi’ is actually a pretty good ‘Star Wars’ movie after all

https://archive.ph/O1mmq

Spoiler: article text

Fans have decided that ‘The Last Jedi’ is actually a pretty good ‘Star Wars’ movie after all
David James - 2h ago

It’s difficult to understate how much anger Star Wars: The Last Jedi generated. Rian Johnson’s hugely-anticipated sequel to The Force Awakens was praised by critics but pilloried by fans upset at the “disrespectful” treatment of Luke Skywalker, the mere presence of Laura Dern’s Admiral Holdo, and complaints about the tactical realism of fantasy space warfare (amongst a thousand other nitpicks).

Thousands of guys with scraggly beards took to YouTube to yell their spittle-flecked fury, several of the film’s stars were chased off social media, and Rian Johnson was pilloried as a hack/fraud/communist/feminazi (delete as appropriate).

Now, four years on from its release, fans have decided The Last Jedi was actually pretty great. There’s a popular thread on r/StarWars reevaluating the movie, with the OP saying that, like many, they “absolutely hated” the movie, but on a rewatch they found a lot to like, praising Luke’s story arc on him rediscovering hope.

Other users agree, saying it was nice to watch a Star Wars movie with an unpredictable plot and saying that it has “gloves off storytelling”. Many also say that in retrospect, the shock factor of unceremoniously killing off Snoke is very fun, though sadly the opportunity to focus on Kylo Ren as the core antagonist was never capitalized on.

Many replies also correctly identify that a big reason why The Last Jedi is seeing a big rehabilitation amongst fans is that it was followed by the truly dreadful The Rise of Skywalker. That film’s story was altered after Lucasfilm got paranoid after The Last Jedi hate, resulting in the boneheaded decision to bring Emperor Palpatine back and retcon Rey to be his granddaughter (neatly undercutting The Last Jedi‘s message that anyone can be a hero).

Here’s hoping Rian Johnson’s long-in-development Star Wars trilogy isn’t completely dead, as we’d love to see him return to a galaxy far, far away.

They just can't let it go, I get that, but this gaslighting is so weird it makes my head hurt.

 

[HandsomeDan]

Just out of curiosity what was everyone’s general consensus on Rogue One? We all know the sequels were almost all considered to be poorly mismanaged, unimaginative and soulless messes that screwed up The series for virtually everyone. But Rogue stands out honestly as being really overlooked and honestly not bad in its own right. The whole concept of retelling the original saga from a different narrative angle with entirely new characters was really fresh and original. All the characters were likeable and memorable and providing classic scenes rendered in modern special effects filled my nostalgia quota way more than any of the other sequels did. It’s honestly the best film out of all the Disney Star Wars films to date. Don’t know how controversial that is but it’s what I feel.

I still like it, they certainly got the "look" correct. In retrospect, it does have issues and there is the very major issue of the attack on scariff originating from Yavin, as all the Empire would have done was torture a Rebel prisoner from the battle and find out where the hidden Rebel base was. Still, it looked like Star Wars.

I always considered it the "actual" documentary of what happened as opposed to the mythic re-telling that was the OT.

 

[Adamska]

Just out of curiosity what was everyone’s general consensus on Rogue One? We all know the sequels were almost all considered to be poorly mismanaged, unimaginative and soulless messes that screwed up The series for virtually everyone. But Rogue stands out honestly as being really overlooked and honestly not bad in its own right. The whole concept of retelling the original saga from a different narrative angle with entirely new characters was really fresh and original. All the characters were likeable and memorable and providing classic scenes rendered in modern special effects filled my nostalgia quota way more than any of the other sequels did. It’s honestly the best film out of all the Disney Star Wars films to date. Don’t know how controversial that is but it’s what I feel.

Ironically the one that made me walk since it at the time was an unfocused mess in terms of set locations; it had the exact same problems I had with TFA pacing and set wise, which was they assume the audience are all unable to sit still if nothing actiony is happening. That type of rushing was actually why even at the time I could state the second half of TFA was a good deal worse than the first half, other issues aside. There's also the matter that the characters for all people hype them were not given enough time to develop and interact with each other. I'm honestly sure the only people that guys really remember is Marvin the Paranoid Android rip-off, the rip off of that one lady, and Kyle Katarn with the numbers filed off. Then there's that aad attempt at fan appeal with Vader and a poor usage of Kill 'em all.

I mean, I guess it's the least bad since the set pieces were actually much more entertaining and less filled with idiotic ideas in them than the others. But honestly "It looks nice" doesn't even deserve to save a film these days. I could probably like the film more than Attack of the Clones if it didn't use sith alchemy to bring Peter Cushing back from the dead.

Oh yeah the necromancy, the very thing that makes me hate Afterlife about as much as I do Answer the Call despite their efforts to be better. I will instantly drop your film if I see a corpse shake, jitter, and groan out lines from its hellishly coded maw. That to me is the ultimate horror and true sign that Hollyweird needs to experience Studio Collapse 2: Rise of the Rogue Accountants.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Just out of curiosity what was everyone’s general consensus on Rogue One? We all know the sequels were almost all considered to be poorly mismanaged, unimaginative and soulless messes that screwed up The series for virtually everyone. But Rogue stands out honestly as being really overlooked and honestly not bad in its own right. The whole concept of retelling the original saga from a different narrative angle with entirely new characters was really fresh and original. All the characters were likeable and memorable and providing classic scenes rendered in modern special effects filled my nostalgia quota way more than any of the other sequels did. It’s honestly the best film out of all the Disney Star Wars films to date. Don’t know how controversial that is but it’s what I feel.

Rogue One is certainly the best Disney Star Wars film.

It does have it's issues but it had some neat ideas, interesting set pieces, a few great scenes, and I liked a few of the characters especially when they had them killed off one by one.

Honestly though I feel these anthology type movies would work better if they didn't have characters from the OT play prominent roles which is one of the many issues I had with Solo

 

[Creep3r]

Yeah this makes me convinced that David Filoni is some emotionally attached autist who gets way too attached to his characters. Like its fine to have that, but if you're this high up in the industry, that sort of mindset that are reserved for fanfic writers and D&D players should be thrown out the window.

I think his obsession with wolves was the biggest dead giveaway that he had some form of tism. Even his obsession with Ahsoka seems to mainly stem from his desire to see her horns as 'symbolic' wolf ears.

Even retconning Togruta horn growth to better express his desire to make them wolf-like. I mean just look at the man's office and twitter.

https://www.comicon.com/2017/10/31/dave-filoni-on-his-fascination-with-wolves-and-star-wars-rebels-return-to-lothal/

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-10994752
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-10995717
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11080195
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...rise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-6048222
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11450032
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11104330

Nothing but drawings of wolves, and his favorite movie and book was Never Cry Wolf by Marley Fowat, who aside from the wolf-obsessed narrative was also infamous for his autobiography describing his youth of sexual experimentation with dogs and the neighbor boys, and retconning souls into wolves, retconning the afterlife into wolves, retconning the creation story into wolves, retconning the heart of the universe into wolves or making it so wolves taught man how to survive and use the Force.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/star-w...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11450032

And then there was his birthday tweet to George Lucas.

A wolf is there for no reason at all. And whenever he's in public now, Filoni usually has (aside from his cowboy hat) a piece of wolf memorabilia on him, either a shirt, a pin, a belt, a watch, a bracelet, a badge or something else with a little wolf icon hidden somewhere.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

Jesus Christ, at least Lucas was tasteful with his fetish for Twi’lek women.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Jesus Christ, at least Lucas was tasteful with his fetish for Twi’lek women.

I mean, would you blame Lucas? If you were a creative who had a big fictional universe, and someone had put in submissive, attractive alien women, wouldn't that make a big nerd like Lucas go a little wild?

 

[Moff Ensign]

Just out of curiosity what was everyone’s general consensus on Rogue One? We all know the sequels were almost all considered to be poorly mismanaged, unimaginative and soulless messes that screwed up The series for virtually everyone. But Rogue stands out honestly as being really overlooked and honestly not bad in its own right. The whole concept of retelling the original saga from a different narrative angle with entirely new characters was really fresh and original. All the characters were likeable and memorable and providing classic scenes rendered in modern special effects filled my nostalgia quota way more than any of the other sequels did. It’s honestly the best film out of all the Disney Star Wars films to date. Don’t know how controversial that is but it’s what I feel.

At the time I liked it only because it was better than TFA
It's pretty awful though. The characters are bland, the droid comic relief is the opposite of funny, CGI Tarkin and Leia are horrific to look at and for his brief cameos they managed to write Vader completely wrong while making nu fans think they were being really clever

The closest I can come to a compliment is that I thought Krennic looked cool but then he turned out to be a whiny doormat

 

[BONE_Buddy]

Rick Worley returns!

Looks informative. But God-Damn, I have seen less sperging about canonicity and versioning in legitimate theological debates.

Just out of curiosity what was everyone’s general consensus on Rogue One? We all know the sequels were almost all considered to be poorly mismanaged, unimaginative and soulless messes that screwed up The series for virtually everyone. But Rogue stands out honestly as being really overlooked and honestly not bad in its own right. The whole concept of retelling the original saga from a different narrative angle with entirely new characters was really fresh and original. All the characters were likeable and memorable and providing classic scenes rendered in modern special effects filled my nostalgia quota way more than any of the other sequels did. It’s honestly the best film out of all the Disney Star Wars films to date. Don’t know how controversial that is but it’s what I feel.

Rogue One was the best of the Disney Star Wars movies. If that isn't damning by faint praise, I don't know what is.

I will say this. The ideas/concepts actually had potential. The execution was terrible. The Grand Moff Tarkin scene caused controversy and added nothing. Vader actually having to get his hands dirty lowers his villain status to me. Most of the characters weren't immediately repulsive, but almost all of them felt half-baked and under-utilized.

The biggest sin to me is that they couldn't decide if they wanted a Star Wars Dirty Dozen movie, or a Star Wars Marvel Movie. i.e., War movie or an action adventure movie.

That said, if there was one Disney Wars movie that I had to keep, I guess it would be Rogue One.

 

[TinCan Wizard]

I thought cgi Tarkin and Leia were horrifying, and digital necromancy should be outlawed.

 

[Adamska]

I think his obsession with wolves was the biggest dead giveaway that he had some form of tism. Even his obsession with Ahsoka seems to mainly stem from his desire to see her horns as 'symbolic' wolf ears.
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Even retconning Togruta horn growth to better express his desire to make them wolf-like. I mean just look at the man's office and twitter.

https://www.comicon.com/2017/10/31/dave-filoni-on-his-fascination-with-wolves-and-star-wars-rebels-return-to-lothal/

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-10994752
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-10995717
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11080195
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...rise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-6048222
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11450032
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11104330

Nothing but drawings of wolves, and his favorite movie and book was Never Cry Wolf by Marley Fowat, who aside from the wolf-obsessed narrative was also infamous for his autobiography describing his youth of sexual experimentation with dogs and the neighbor boys, and retconning souls into wolves, retconning the afterlife into wolves, retconning the creation story into wolves, retconning the heart of the universe into wolves or making it so wolves taught man how to survive and use the Force.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/star-w...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11450032

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And then there was his birthday tweet to George Lucas.
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A wolf is there for no reason at all. And whenever he's in public now, Filoni usually has (aside from his cowboy hat) a piece of wolf memorabilia on him, either a shirt, a pin, a belt, a watch, a bracelet, a badge or something else with a little wolf icon hidden somewhere.

There's a reason I genuinely believe he probably is a zoophile. His favorite book explains a lot of that for me.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Just out of curiosity what was everyone’s general consensus on Rogue One? We all know the sequels were almost all considered to be poorly mismanaged, unimaginative and soulless messes that screwed up The series for virtually everyone. But Rogue stands out honestly as being really overlooked and honestly not bad in its own right. The whole concept of retelling the original saga from a different narrative angle with entirely new characters was really fresh and original. All the characters were likeable and memorable and providing classic scenes rendered in modern special effects filled my nostalgia quota way more than any of the other sequels did. It’s honestly the best film out of all the Disney Star Wars films to date. Don’t know how controversial that is but it’s what I feel.

2 hours of fucking nothing.

I don't know what kind of film Gareth Edwards was attempting to make prior to Disney taking a hacksaw to his work, but this film almost feels like an exact template for the kind of shallow and empty Disney Plus shows we're getting now. If you stop to examine them, Blando and Rogue One are the exact fucking same:

Spoiler: Fanservice is One Hell of a Drug

Plodding, aimless scenarios that could barely be described as stories, with Rogue One literally dedicating half its runtime to a side-quest to find some throwaway second-string character from TCW in the form of Saw Garrera. Everything horrendous about Blando and Book of Blorba Fatt applies to this--the characters are not driving one ounce of the plot. They're dragged by their earlobes like seven-year-olds to go places and further the plot in superficial empty ways, to do participate in forced action scenes and bump into cameo fodder...the latter of which the Disney Plus Dreck would double down on in spades. And just like Blando, the supporting characters that get roped into this mission as glorified party members for the protagonist contribute absolutely nothing to the core story, or the heroine's struggle. They have no meaningful interactions with her, or each other, and throughout the film have the agency of glorified extras. Why are they here? What are their motivations driving them to risk life and limb alongside Felicity Jones and her black hole of personality? Why, nothing, of course. They're here to be emotional support to someone they just met, and service the plot as tools rather than characters. And considering the snarky robot everyone loves, K2-SO, was a late production addition after Disney/LFL wrenched the film out of Edwards' hands, that means that there is a potential version of this film we could've seen, where the entirety of the audience's emotional investment was meant to ride on Jyn Erso, and her band of one-dimensional, underdeveloped NPC party members.

Jyn herself has the charisma and draw of a brick, with her actress looking more bored than the audience does, and whose "tragic animu backstory" makes the most insipid 3-episode Filoni TCW arc look like the work of Ernest Hemingway. The film is desperate to make you feel the heroine's strife during scenes like when she sees her father's hologram, or sees him shot from afar on that rainy planet, but with her and the other characters only really participating in action scenes for the bulk of the runtime--and absolutely nothing the fuck else--there's no substance or weight to any of the dramatic scenes the writers attempt. The film is littered with opportunities to have the characters bond or conflict in any real way, and consistently wastes them to have them splinter off, not interact, and waste screentime on backflips or one-liners. The closest you get to a meaningful argument that gets all the characters involved is when Cassian Who-Gives-A-Fuck blows a gasket to lecture Jyn aboard their ship, where it almost looks like the supporting characters are going to contribute, maybe even take sides. But of course they don't. The supporting cast are literal set dressing, not characters. And I won't waste time commenting on Director Krennic or Tarkin's little feud, considering how little sway over the plot it has, and how much of a meaningless footnote Krennic becomes in his own movie.

The only thing the film has going for it is the idea that the final battle pushes the protagonists to work to the bone, through sweat and determination alone, to accomplish the arduous task of retrieving the Death Star plans. On its face, this is a good premise, and what the entire film should have been; retrieving the DS Plans should be a Herculean task, given its massive narrative importance in ANH. But while the action is staged competently, and there is a believable frantic feel to the characters being gunned down one by one...the film has squandered too much valuable runtime at this point to make you care. Scenes that should feel poignant or stirring, like when the Pajeet Mechanic and the Two Asian guys get axed, or when Jyn and her cardboard hubby are kneeling on the Scarif beach awaiting their death, feel empty and static--since they've only been vessels for the plot up until this point, and have had little in the way of actual character. The music and visuals are tirelessly struggling to give these scenes the necessary weight, picking up the slack for the writer's previous two hours of zero effort. And naturally, continuity is thrown out the window in this film repeatedly. From Vader exercising reckless brutality with his lightsaber that he inexplicably doesn't show five minutes later in ANH's opening scene, to Leia's entire ruse on the Blockade Runner being farcical since she was literally at the scene of a battle and not outrunning a blockade at all, to the weakness of the Death Star being retconned into a sappy and skull-fracturingly retarded device of revenge by a true blue Imperial scientist, which he names after his daughter. "Project Stardust" is the kind of hackneyed, "Disneyfied" writing that I fully expected from the new era of SW when the purchase happened, and is every bit as vapid and eye-rolling as Han Solo being handed his name in-universe.

And just to compound its similarity to the current glut of lobotomized Disney+ crap, people will unironically defend this movie and handwave everything I've just mentioned because their terminally short memory was blinded by the last two minutes of fanservice, and hoodwinked into thinking the whole film made them feel those levels of euphoria...the exact same way they're willing to excuse an entire season of shitty writing in Blando S2, because their consoomer monkey brains were titilated by 14 seconds of Deepfake Skywalker hacking away at SourceFilmmmaker Assets. "This scene was cool, so the WHOLE SEASON/MOVIE must've been good!!!1!" Given the way Disney Drones applauded both for the exact same reason, I legit wouldn't be shocked if LFL used Rogue One as a test bed for the shallow Fanservice Fests that the franchise has been reduced to in its current unsightly form.

Any way you slice it, this movie would be the start of Disney's formula with Star Wars. Greenlight projects on the vaguest of premises, pinch out a story that is concentrated ass and literally just a collection of excuses to have characters go places and do things without any real narrative drive besides vague bullshit... "muh rebelluon" or "muh Saw Gonorrhea", in this case. Then you blind the audience with fanservice and key-jangling, trick them into sticking around for the duration of the runtime, and hoodwink them before they realize that there is no rewatchability in the shallow experience they've created.

How do I know that? Because just like the Disney+ Shows, even the most diehard of Disney Drones don't actually rewatch Rogue One. They do what TCW fans or Rebels fans do...cycle through clips of their favorite scenes on YouTube, relish in the payoff of fanservice that the previous two hours of writing didn't earn, and trick themselves into thinking the entire story was of that quality...when in actuality, another revisit through the film in its actual entirety---dismal pace and all--would reveal to them just how little lasting value the film has as a story set in the SW universe.

Want to enjoy Rogue One as a loud, autistic action experience? Go right ahead...but don't complain about the next lobotomized Disney+ show repeating the same formula and boring you to tears, when you clapped like a trained seal for it in the first place.

As for me, if I want a loud, visceral Star Wars experience where I don't have to think about substance or plotting, and the characters come second to the raw spectacle...I'll just play Dark Forces.

And wouldn't you know it, that has a story about stealing the DS plans too...except fun, and not retarded.