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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
I'm not familiar with this man. For what purpose would the media smear this guy? Saving civilian lives is the most anti-political thing imaginable, for what fucking purpose would they do that?
Journalists are fucking evil, that's why. If you think that is the first occurrence of journos proving they are the absolute filth of society I would recommend you read more about them. *COUGH* Spanish American War *COUGH*
 
The MRA/PUA claim that the average woman has had a double digit number of sex partners sounds like pants-on-fire bullshit to me, unless she uses Reddit or her name is Holland Proudfoot.

I want the name of the bitch who apparently got my allocation. Was there like a coupon book handed out at adolescence? Was I off school that day? Some bitch out here was having a fine wild time and it certainly wasn’t me. Who stole my hypothetical boyfriends??
 
I want the name of the bitch who apparently got my allocation. Was there like a coupon book handed out at adolescence? Was I off school that day? Some bitch out here was having a fine wild time and it certainly wasn’t me. Who stole my hypothetical boyfriends??
These aren't boyfriends, these are one night stands. You're not missing out on shit I can assure you.
 
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from ani mat

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From a Georgetown professor:

Had a similar conversation with a libshit and just told them that everyone thinks their politics are the fairest. Hitler was evil as fuck but legitimately thought that what he was doing was just and righteous.

"You can be violent if you truly believe what you're doing is right". That applies to everyone and everything.
 
TwoX with more reasonable takes on what might happen next:
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The iron law of woke projection strikes again. They fantasized and jerked themselves about doing this to the unvaxed all last year- in Canada they still have them locked down and unable to leave the country. But they're absolutely certain the REAL threat is us doing something similar back to them, even though we never floated an idea remotely similar.
 
From a Georgetown professor:

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Pro-abortion rhetoric is a smorgasbord of feels over reals, whatifs, yeahbuts, attacks on shit nobody even remotely said ("you wanna outlaw interracial marriage!"), and total non sequiturs like this.
What does that even fucking mean? God what a mealy mouthed faggot.
 
“I won’t have sex with you!”
“lmao you couldn’t pay me to fuck you”
"Woman, your shit is haunted-- you think I have the money to get a proton pack just so I can have sex with you without getting my chops busted by the ghosts of those babies you got sucked down the bendy straw of your local Dyson Disciple?"
 
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Pro-abortion rhetoric is a smorgasbord of feels over reals, whatifs, yeahbuts, attacks on shit nobody even remotely said ("you wanna outlaw interracial marriage!"), and total non sequiturs like this.
So what he's saying is that we should have some sort of restrictions in place ahead of time against certain types of speech, which depend on what the content of that speech is? Some sort of content-based prior restraint of speech?
 
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Pro-abortion rhetoric is a smorgasbord of feels over reals, whatifs, yeahbuts, attacks on shit nobody even remotely said ("you wanna outlaw interracial marriage!"), and total non sequiturs like this.
Fuck her.

Strike down substantive due process and watch the bitch weep.
 
SJW Lauren Mayer is at it with roe
The absolute cringiest music video I've ever seen was in response to Kavanaugh's hearings:

Even back then, it fit the desired narrative that white guys from the south are the cause of all social problems.
See also the DC sniper, who the black police chief Charles Moose insisted had to be an "angry white male" but turned out to be a black adult named John Allen Muhammad and his black teenaged accomplice.
 
The absolute cringiest music video I've ever seen was in response to Kavanaugh's hearings:


See also the DC sniper, who the black police chief Charles Moose insisted had to be an "angry white male" but turned out to be a black adult named John Allen Muhammad and his black teenaged accomplice.
It’s right up there with that296CD52A-4FDE-4059-8485-FC0A3BFECEDF.jpegD3EDAC8F-FA1D-4767-AD40-792611052201.jpeg
 
lmao how does this make sense:

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"in some states you can't abort your baby at 30 weeks anymore" = losing all modern tech
Typical of the left, they don't have an argument, they get a court to write law, then they assume they won because they were correct and just spew talking points as if they were an argument.

Same thing can be seen here, speds that think the only motivation is some religious tenant they can't name.

Problem is we are at a convergence of feminism(smart and powerful women are just as good as men) , and science. As soon as a zygote implants and starts growing, it's factually a new human life, and people know this.
The crux of the issue is one side saying it's cool to kill humans if they agree with it (unlimited abortion and euthanasia) , and another side saying that killing a human without due process of law or reasonable self defense can't be allowed.
But we can't have the actual argument because people are stupid sheep.
 
The left made Mother’s Day political to fit their world view with the meltdown that they are still having

Motherhood as a social construct is intensely political. There is no question more fiercely fought over, that has burnt more interpersonal bridges, that straddles more socio-political divides, than “what makes someone a good mother”. The young folks on the tweeter can’t be blamed for not knowing this yet, but “mom wars” are very real and absolutely every cunt has an opinion on how women should bring up their weans, regardless of their own parental status and if they personally are a fucking shitshow that couldn’t be trusted to go to the shop for a tin of beans.

The molten emotion over the abortion issue is just where the political nature of motherhood starts. It starts there because the decision to become, or not become a mother (regardless of whether abortion or contraception is directly involved in that decision) is not a valueless choice, let alone a consequence free one. I am sure some young men are asked about their plans for parenthood. I am absolutely certain they are not asked as often or as pointedly as young women. The decision of whether or not to become a mother is the single most important and influential choice a young woman will ever make. It directly determines essentially every one of her life outcomes from that point: her work choices, her long term health outcomes, her relationship choices, her eventual educational attainment, her pension in retirement.

It’s a choice without parallel amongst adult choices. And it is not comparable, biologically or in terms of life effects, to becoming a father. That is not a knock on fathers; it’s simply the nature of our species. Women have far fewer children than a man potentially can, and put a physical and practical commitment into their raising that is commensurate with that discrepancy. It’s not the same kind of life commitment, even for those fathers who choose to be very involved. The egalitarian attempt to obscure that basic truth has simply made a whole generation of mothers very dissatisfied and disappointed, because they “didn’t think it would be like this”. It has always been like this.

My great-great-grandmother had a much repeated saying, “A man can always put on his coat and walk out the door and leave the weans behind. You can never do the same again.” She was right then and she is right now. You can scream into your mom groups and girls nights out that your spouse simply does not prioritise the care and welfare of your children the way you do, but it isn’t going to change shit. (See discussion up thread about what constitutes a “decent standard of living” for kids. There are very few western families with two parents where they are both singing off exactly the same page about what the kids “need”.) All the cute cartoons about emotional labour and “second shifting” and domestic burden of expectations are not going to change the basic truth: mothers are more invested in their children than fathers are, and the one who gives least fucks is always going to do the least work.

It is work to be a mother. No one is going to pay you; in fact you are going to fuck your economic prospects to a degree from ‘pretty bad’ to ‘Piper Perri surrounded’ depending on how your career and childcare options shake out. You will in return - for better or worse - become the single most influential figure in another human’s life, an influence that for better or worse will affect them into adulthood and even into their own parenting. This is a massive responsibility, and not fucking it up is fairly difficult. Successfully maximising it, maximising your children’s life chances and opportunities - being the best mother you can be - is actually incredibly fucking hard, and there is no One Easy Tip that will get you through. And everyone believes their choices were the morally, practically, spiritually, ethically correct ones, and everyone will fight like weasels in a sack to defend their own choices.

It’s hard out there for a mother, and if you don’t understand that, you kinda aren’t ready for the responsibility. Happy belated Mother’s Day, folks.
 
Does anyone here have much serious legal perspective on the draft? I wanted to wait until I had read the text before commenting and I have, but I'm not a lawyer so I admit my interpretation may be flawed. There are two things about the current opinion that I find really notable/ strange.

1) It seems to set much more precedence for future interpretation than other ruling's I've seen. They go one by one through places in the constitution where abortion supporters claim backing and outline their detailed interpretation of the text. I want to say 5 or 6 different amendments are treated this way with detailed interpretations. That seems like a lot of impact down the road.

2) The particular definition of "Ordered Liberty" when discussing the 14th amendment seems very strange too. It makes a rather extreme originalist argument saying that the protections to individual liberties mean only the specific liberties the authors and signees would have understood, not the concept of liberty they intended. This is the opposite of any originalist reading of the second amendment as far as I know where the concept of arms is extended beyond what the authors understood. Am I reading this argument right?
 
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