Animal Breeding Horror Show - Featuring trendy bulldogs, exotic bullies and the dog cum cartel

[2525ABC]

you have to like take a panty hose and run it on any wood and rocks in the tank to test and see if it will hurt them

This is seriously impressive dedication to pet welfare. Your special needs fishies are very lucky.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Fancy pigeon breeding can be pretty horrifying. The first one that come to mind is American Fantails whose bred so their heads sit above their ass. Their skeletons are deformed like that and they have extreme difficulty moving or eating.

Spoiler: American Fantail

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Budapest Short Faced Tumblers have eyes so large that sometimes they are unable to close them.

Spoiler: Horrifying

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Barb Pigeons are prone to blindness and infections from the cere/wrinkles around its eyes.
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And some people have bred the Barb and Short Faced Budapest pigeons together.
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Beakless breeds are also a thing that people have bred for, which results in extreme difficulty preening and feeding their young.

Spoiler: No Beak

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On the other end of the spectrum we have the Egyptian Moraslat, which looks like its melting. Similar to the beakless pigeons, it can be assumed they have difficulty preening and feeding their young. (There's not a lot of information about these pigeons in particular, though I think it's just because they aren't taken to the vet for annual check ups/etc.)

Spoiler: Also Horrifying

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How does a beakless bird eat?

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

How does a beakless bird eat?

Not well I imagine

 

[BroccoliBrain]

My thing was honestly light end.

People seem to think keeping a pet is as easy a fairytale as coaxing a stray dog off the streets to stay by your side with food and then you can have shenanigans forever. Even more so when you can buy PEDIGREE so you don't have guess with a random mutt, but it really is a luxury where you raise another living creature that will rely on you for the rest of its life and it can't tell you what's wrong if it's in pain or sick.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

There’s also the celestial eye goldfish, similar to bubble eyes except with their eyes pointed upward.

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I haven’t had too much issue with Celestial Eyes, I’ve kept most species of fancy goldfish before and if anything they seem to have the upper hand because they’re the first to spot food lol. Most fish have a lateral line which helps them orient to space within their environment, so eyesight (which is already poor in goldfish varieties) matters less. Now that’s not to say that fancy fish don’t need fancy care, you still need an aquarium without prickly decor, and with less aggressive tank mates, those eyes are tasty to less communal fish. The problem isn’t so much the fish, but like with the bettas mentioned earlier, the abysmal care people give them.

 

[James done did it]

I keep a few bettas and the long finned ones suck vs the more natural plakat ones. They need super slow moving water so I had to hook spray bars up to all my filters and turn down the flow, also they are dumb as hell and will tear their fins on anything so you have to like take a panty hose and run it on any wood and rocks in the tank to test and see if it will hurt them. Also sometimes they will get stressed and rip their own fins off in the store

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the virgin super delta vs the chad plakat
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I like Plakats but at the same time I feel bad keeping them in smaller tanks, they're also much more capable of acting on their violent urges. I don't really like halfmoons and threadfins because they seem to struggle so much at basic swimming but I do have one pretty generic solid color 'fancy' (which is ironic because plakats are rarer and more expensive) betta splendens in a 5 gallon. Bettas I think have taken broad spectrum damage from the pursuit of extreme color. And of course you have new memes like the "sorority tank" which almost always end in disaster eventually. And there is at least one variant I'm aware of, the dragonscale, which is one of those "it probably shouldn't exist" variants since the scales will grow over their eyes and blind them, and need to be surgically removed.

I'm more of a livebearer/kilifish autist but I would like to mess with some of the weird and obscure betta species some day.

 

[Bugaboo]

I like Plakats but at the same time I feel bad keeping them in smaller tanks, they're also much more capable of acting on their violent urges. I don't really like halfmoons and threadfins because they seem to struggle so much at basic swimming but I do have one pretty generic solid color 'fancy' (which is ironic because plakats are rarer and more expensive) betta splendens in a 5 gallon. Bettas I think have taken broad spectrum damage from the pursuit of extreme color. And of course you have new memes like the "sorority tank" which almost always end in disaster eventually. And there is at least one variant I'm aware of, the dragonscale, which is one of those "it probably shouldn't exist" variants since the scales will grow over their eyes and blind them, and need to be surgically removed.

I'm more of a livebearer/kilifish autist but I would like to mess with some of the weird and obscure betta species some day.

Yeah bettas need bigger tanks than petsmart and whatever random manufacturers of plastic crap may lead you to believe, that's not really a breeding horror and more of a husbandry horror so we shouldn't go too much into that

 

[buoyverificationfuel]

And of course you have new memes like the "sorority tank" which almost always end in disaster eventually.

Trying to keep a "sorority tank" as an experienced betta keeper ended in me having to separate almost all of the fish, so I needed three different full-sized tanks instead of just the one. I think one of the female bettas was actually a male with normal (aka not over-sized) fins, but when I got her they were very short. The whole experience turned me off of fish keeping entirely.

Betta mishandling is so common, and it probably has enough material for its own thread.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Yeah bettas need bigger tanks than petsmart and whatever random manufacturers of plastic crap may lead you to believe, that's not really a breeding horror and more of a husbandry horror so we shouldn't go too much into that

I think they go hand in hand. These are both from the same motivations to have the prettiest or cutest fish to look at. Now, looking at the tank is the biggest benefit of fish keeping so wanting it be the best experience isn't inherently bad but if you are narrow minded about it that can lead into issues. If fish welfare isn't thought about, you are very likely breed them or encourage breeding irresponsibly manner and keep them in way that isn't acceptable, just because it looks pretty. Then there is of course the whole money making side to dupe people with extra special fish and so easy to take care of so don't think about it, just buy.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Have we discussed scaleless reptiles? Because I just saw a picture of a scaleless garter snake that really pissed me off. Scales are very important for burrowing snakes, otherwise any stray branch or sharp rock could easily cut them. Probably not the worst offenders though

Spoiler: Silkback

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What makes this morph particularly horrible is that bearded dragons are from the outback, they require very hot basking spots and a lot of UV. But without scales this can very easily burn their skin. This is one of those "cosmetic" reptile morphs that is just obviously, inherently abusive. It's funny because some of the defenders of the industry cite silkback bearded dragons as one of the shining examples of how the industry can self regulate. Most shows ban them, 'reputable' breeders don't breed them, but you can still easily find them. Like most scaleless morphs they also have problems with shedding (especially around the eyes), dehydration, increased vulnerability to infections, fungus, basically everything that the scales are there to fucking keep out.

>shining examples of how the industry can self regulate
imo the animal breeding industry needs a lot more regulation. I didn't really realize until this thread was posted just how ridiculously cruel some of these breeders are. It's sad too because when you think of animal breeding, you think of more traditional approaches which were directed at producing breeds to be good pets, which also meant breeding them to be healthier.


Kind of some breeding eye bleach
This is the Norwegian Lundehund

They were breed centuries ago to hunt birds on cliffsides and to prevent injuries they were bred to be extremely flexible. Additionally, they have an extra toe which kind of acts similarly to a thumb, so they can grasp rock faces to some extent. They almost went extinct following several disease outbreaks in the mid-20th century and they ended up becoming inbred from people trying to bring the breed back with the small pool of survivors. Currently, there is a breeding program going on to reduce the level of inbreeding and their lifespans are increasing.

 

[Random_Numbers140097]

Most lundehunds have a digestive disease that impairs their ability to absorb nutrients. There's such a low level of genetic diversity in the breed that there's a program to cross them with other nordic spitz breeds in order to introduce more genetic diversity into the breed and reduce inbreeding.

The Norwegian Lundehund Outcross Project

See the PDF version The lundehund outcross - NKK.pdf Many thanks to Kim Belamy from the NKK for sharing this information with DWN!

dogwellnet.com

The crossbred dogs are pretty cute. Given the high incidence of digestive disorders in pure lundehunds, it seems that cross-breeding is the only way to improve the breed's health.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

Trying to keep a "sorority tank" as an experienced betta keeper ended in me having to separate almost all of the fish, so I needed three different full-sized tanks instead of just the one. I think one of the female bettas was actually a male with normal (aka not over-sized) fins, but when I got her they were very short. The whole experience turned me off of fish keeping entirely.

Betta mishandling is so common, and it probably has enough material for its own thread.

A little off topic so this is all I’ll say, but…

I love bettas and goldfish, I’ve kept many species and (outside of clownfish perhaps) those two species are the most personable to me personally. It makes me sad that they’re usually seen as disposable ‘kiddie’ pets, and hell, growing up I felt that way until I grew a brain and learned to love animals (often more than people). Bettas can be endlessly frustrating though, I’ve had success keeping them in communal tanks with small tetra, and extending their lifespan with good care, so I wanted to try breeding. I had a lovely pair, ‘standard’ veil tails, and began the long, arduous process of introducing them. Everything was going excellently, after a while the male built a bubble nest and I was satisfied with their interaction. I put them together and they seemed to get on well. I literally turned around to make some coffee and when I’d returned the male was trying to kill her. I was like ‘seriously bro?’. I separated them and never tried again, the woes of fish husbandry.

 

[Xanen]

A little off topic so this is all I’ll say, but…

I love bettas and goldfish, I’ve kept many species and (outside of clownfish perhaps) those two species are the most personable to me personally. It makes me sad that they’re usually seen as disposable ‘kiddie’ pets, and hell, growing up I felt that way until I grew a brain and learned to love animals (often more than people). Bettas can be endlessly frustrating though, I’ve had success keeping them in communal tanks with small tetra, and extending their lifespan with good care, so I wanted to try breeding. I had a lovely pair, ‘standard’ veil tails, and began the long, arduous process of introducing them. Everything was going excellently, after a while the male built a bubble nest and I was satisfied with their interaction. I put them together and they seemed to get on well. I literally turned around to make some coffee and when I’d returned the male was trying to kill her. I was like ‘seriously bro?’. I separated them and never tried again, the woes of fish husbandry.

Fish and rodents are often treated so poorly because they're seen as disposable pets. It's disgusting.

 

[Everything Beagle]

"Oops! My Pomeranian got into the husky pen! Give me $$$!"

 

[kidsquid]

"Oops! My Pomeranian got into the husky pen! Give me $$$!"
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If you want a tiny husky just get an Alaskan Klee Klai and not whatever abomination this'll turn out to be.

Sure hope the pom wasn't the mom

 

[candle tiger]

"Oops! My Pomeranian got into the husky pen! Give me $$$!"
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Husky attitude combined with Pom neuroticism? Breeding together two very vocal breeds? A breed that likes its personal space and isn't shy about letting people know about its boundaries via teeth, squashed into a tiny body where those boundaries are sure to be disregarded?

Yeah, sure. I'm sure that will end well, but it looks cute right. Call me a dog sperg, but both ends of crossbreeding are annoying. On one end you have people spouting "mixes are inherently healthier and more stable than purebreds" bullcrap until people don't think temperament is real anymore and mix any two breeds together and expect it to work. On the other end you have the elitist purebred folk who refuse to outcross their 40% COI dog breed to healthy and very similar breeds because of blood purity. With terrible results for the animals on either side.

 

[omori]

I don’t follow a whole lot pet accounts much less breeding accounts but I got recommended this.

 

[Xanen]

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I don’t follow a whole lot pet accounts much less breeding accounts but I got recommended this.

I swear you only get two kinds of people who watch dragon ball. Which is regular ass dudes and freaks like this.

 

[Everything Beagle]

If you want a tiny husky just get an Alaskan Klee Klai and not whatever abomination this'll turn out to be.

Sure hope the pom wasn't the mom

Reminds of my little guy who used to try to make Great Danes’ ankles pregnant. RIP little dude, you had the right stuff.

 

[A tree]

Most lundehunds have a digestive disease that impairs their ability to absorb nutrients. There's such a low level of genetic diversity in the breed that there's a program to cross them with other nordic spitz breeds in order to introduce more genetic diversity into the breed and reduce inbreeding.

The Norwegian Lundehund Outcross Project

See the PDF version The lundehund outcross - NKK.pdf Many thanks to Kim Belamy from the NKK for sharing this information with DWN!

dogwellnet.com

The crossbred dogs are pretty cute. Given the high incidence of digestive disorders in pure lundehunds, it seems that cross-breeding is the only way to improve the breed's health.

They bred an EDS/gastroparesis dog? Has someone told the munchies? These would look great with a service dog vest on. Imagine the content you could wring out of that.