Serious LGBT Discussion

[BlackWaterSails]

>no tips on how to approach women
Are you in an open relationship? I'd assume not since you said your bf is "right leaning".

No, I'm referring to prior to us dating.

 

[Kenya Jones]

Does anyone know about any peer reviewed scientific paper about transgender mental illness?

Maybe it may be old since these days you cannot publish that, but maybe in the past there are some studies of the mental illness known as transgendersim?

Have you ever thought that maybe the reason the studies do not prove the validity of your argument it might be because you're wrong?



Facts don't care about your feelings.

The LGBTQ+ community is full of infighting, probably because outside of the first 3 letters nothing is properly defined (trans, queer) or it's not as stigmatized (asexuality) or it's the same as another identity (pansexual) or why is it here in the first place (intersex, aromantic) and the group is dominated by leftists who notoriously fight amongst themselves. Your best bet is to ignore them whether it's the "everyone is valid" word salad or LGB terf groups which often shit on bisexuals.

There is an easy explanation on why the LGBT community is so encompassing it's because historically, these people would group together, as society at large would usually shun these people. Whether it be the obvious homophobia of LGB people, or the less obvious shunning of asexual/aromantic people and seeing them as "gay" if they reach a certain age without getting a partner. Or the seeing of intersex people as freaks(and being dangerous, the same with LGBT people). Also:

the group is dominated by leftists who notoriously fight amongst themselves.

A. The reason it is is because right-leaning people historically (and even currently) are hostile towards LGBT people, and B. all political groups fight amongst themselves, this very site and specifically the current AF drama should give you a reason to think your comment through a bit more.

We are both under 25. He did get the groomer thing from LibsOfTikTok. He has met my friends, with most being gay, and he has heard of my lesbian sister. He said at first it was fine but ever since the groomer thing he has said that he wants me to distance myself from them and my sister. That they are faking their friendship and love. He says that my sister won't be allowed to see outta children if we have any and that I will have no future if I stay around them and keep my interests. Lastly, he takes everything I do as flirting. He talks about having sex with other people all the time but he gets pissed when I jokingly say anything like that. But, no, I do not got out of my way to be flirty but maybe I am accidentally? I am not sure there.

Yeah that is not good at all, as @Vingle said this sounds like an abusive relationship. Especially when he is accusing you of something he does.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

No, I'm referring to prior to us dating.

OK, well then honestly it sounds like your whole situation is a mountain made from a mole hill. Your sexuality is essentially a non-issue so long as you're romantic life doesn't change, so why even put the thought into it now? You say you're struggling, but it doesn't really sound like you are. Based on what you've said you have some fantasies about women and other people are ragging you for that. Maybe you're bi, maybe you're not, dwelling on it is just causing you problems for no reason. Likewise for the people ragging you for it, they're being dicks over nothing.

I will say this though, the point about not knowing until you try is legitimate. Most people use it to be dismissive and mean, but there's truth to it. You might find that once your down there huffing the muff that it's not all that you thought it'd be. Maybe you just like titties but not the whole package, which anecdotally I've found to be fairly common amongst women. Maybe you are actually bi, hell maybe you will find that you prefer women to men. Again, it's not really important at the moment, just something to consider before you commit to any life changes.

One additional note, the things your boyfriend said about you being groomed may or may not have some validity. I don't know you so I can't say anything for sure, but being LGBT is definitely in vogue atm. There is also an obsessive need to label everything nowadays. What you're experiencing could be little more than idle fantasies that you've been convinced are more meaningful than they are. It's not grooming per say more like peer pressure, but there's certainly a pattern of behavior where people get pushed into the LGBT community over the slightest of provocations.

So tldr just try not to work yourself into a mess over this. You sound more stressed than you need to be. Overanalyzing can be your worst enemy.

 

[Vingle]

Have you ever thought that maybe the reason the studies do not prove the validity of your argument it might be because you're wrong?



Facts don't care about your feelings.

Plenty of papers against troons, and it's them who are reeeing against them. That's why it's hush-hush. Honestly, asking for it in this thread is wrong place. As troons has nothing to do with LGB, and even suggesting it is pretty fucking rude.

Don't know where it's in the thread, but there are people posting papers once in a while in this thread https://kiwifarms.net/threads/losing-people-to-transgenderism-support-thread.85329/

 

[Speakeasy Electric]

We are both under 25. He did get the groomer thing from LibsOfTikTok. He has met my friends, with most being gay, and he has heard of my lesbian sister. He said at first it was fine but ever since the groomer thing he has said that he wants me to distance myself from them and my sister. That they are faking their friendship and love. He says that my sister won't be allowed to see outta children if we have any and that I will have no future if I stay around them and keep my interests. Lastly, he takes everything I do as flirting. He talks about having sex with other people all the time but he gets pissed when I jokingly say anything like that. But, no, I do not got out of my way to be flirty but maybe I am accidentally? I am not sure there.

Seems like you guys have different ethics and morals. As for him joking about sex with other people and it not being okay when you do it is insecure and jealous, full stop, and to be honest fuck that shit.

Also if you accept and love your lesbian sister, don’t let him isolate you from her or your friends. I’m not saying he is abusive, but isolation is one of the classic textbook abusive behaviors. Like, real abuse, not “we don’t agree”.

I would recommend that you determine your core valuesand try to communicate with him. If you struggle with communication I suggest you try going through the DEAR MAN steps

If this doesn’t work to get you to a point of psychological resolution, seriously consider ending the relationship sooner rather than later. You will both be better off.

Best of luck.

 

[185405]

Have you ever thought that maybe the reason the studies do not prove the validity of your argument it might be because you're wrong?



Facts don't care about your feelings.

There is an easy explanation on why the LGBT community is so encompassing it's because historically, these people would group together, as society at large would usually shun these people. Whether it be the obvious homophobia of LGB people, or the less obvious shunning of asexual/aromantic people and seeing them as "gay" if they reach a certain age without getting a partner. Or the seeing of intersex people as freaks(and being dangerous, the same with LGBT people). Also:

A. The reason it is is because right-leaning people historically (and even currently) are hostile towards LGBT people, and B. all political groups fight amongst themselves, this very site and specifically the current AF drama should give you a reason to think your comment through a bit more.

Yeah that is not good at all, as @Vingle said this sounds like an abusive relationship. Especially when he is accusing you of something he does.

Troons are mentally ill, everyone knows that, what are you on about?

The only reason why there's no peer reviewed studies about it is because it would get cancelled and due to wokeness, etc.

But it's a well known fact that transexuals are mentally ill.

 

[gang weeder]

In regards to your previous post, do you think that non-white people don't transition? Because I have personally met a person of every race that is trans.

Of young females who transition, about 90% are white. So yes there are a few other races in there but it really is overwhelmingly a white phenomenon. Other ages and genders, tbf, I don't know (like among retired males who transition I have no idea what the race breakdown is).

 

[Picnic_Boy]

help me fellow gays i'm going down a dark hole

i'm unironically listening to gay VA asmr

What is that?

 

[Kenya Jones]

Plenty of papers against troons

You have none other than the one "study" by the Christian organization. I'm not going to go through the stories of people falling out in friendships when they fall out of favors and have that count as evidence.

Troons are mentally ill, everyone knows that, what are you on about?

The only reason why there's no peer reviewed studies about it is because it would get cancelled and due to wokeness, etc.

But it's a well known fact that transexuals are mentally ill.

There are studies on the correlation of mental illness and identifying as trans, but there is a very good likelihood that they are caused by treatment for being trans, and not because they are trans or some other dumb hypothesis.

Of young females who transition, about 90% are white. So yes there are a few other races in there but it really is overwhelmingly a white phenomenon. Other ages and genders, tbf, I don't know (like among retired males who transition I have no idea what the race breakdown is).

Once again, I'm asking for a source on that, because a good first question is, where was this study taken? Was it America? Was it Europe? was it in Nigeria? These things matter.

 

[gang weeder]

Since this is the wrong thread, I will make only one more post regarding this. If you want to know who you are debating against, here's you're mental midget.



It is very very hard to look up a study that is very similar to a billion other studies that prove the exact opposite, like this(1) study, or this study. Truly, you are a geinus, a mastermind beyond human comprehension.

Spoiler: Graph for the first study

1652157983549.png

I repeated multiple times that I was referring specifically to young trans ID females, not the trans population in general. "Mental midget" indeed. Either that or you're just posting in bad faith and being obtuse on purpose, as I already suspected.

@Kenya Jones

 

[Kenya Jones]

I repeated multiple times that I was referring specifically to young trans ID females, not the trans population in general. "Mental midget" indeed. Either that or you're just posting in bad faith and being obtuse on purpose, as I already suspected.

@Kenya Jones

No, dumbass, I literally am searching for this study but I cannot find anything about it, you cannot come up with the study, so what does that say?

 

[Vingle]

You have none other than the one "study" by the Christian organization. I'm not going to go through the stories of people falling out in friendships when they fall out of favors and have that count as evidence.

I never claimed that a study paid for by clearly a biased organization counts as evidence, neither the comments in that thread. I just said there are papers posted there once in a while. I'm not going to find them for you, as it gives me no benefit to "win" over you.

Like, I see you are fighting hard for the troons. But you are just making it worse, when you are just using bad ruling techniques. As every libtard does.

 

[BezMemow]

Interesting Data i collected from a Leftist discord server, a sample size of about 100 people, which is quite a bit, it's very interesting to see a big correlation between the age, trans and sexuality. It appears according to my math if I'm not a retard, that the % of trans people on the server is about 10 000 times higher than the national average, which tbf is probably lower given it's such a tiny sample size, but one thing is certain, leftists/SJWs/tumblr artists, are dysproportionally affected by ''LGBT'' compared to the rest of the population, while also being below the age of 18. There is also a large number of people that claim to have a certain mental illness, often multiple, like DID/Tourettes...

In reality there's a bit more straight people than the graphic suggests, because they think that being a Trans individual, affects whether you're straight or gay, when it really doesn't, nevertheless, I typed down the sexuality that they ''identified'' as, which may skew in a direction or another.

The data kind of confirms what we already knew, teenagers getting groomed into this lifestyle at an alarming rate, but now we have at least some data to prove it, although not on a big scale, since it was done manually and I'm not a hacker to connect to Discord API and collect the data.
I thought it'd be interesting to type this here, sorry if it's a wrong thread.

 

[Mark Antony]

Can we settle for absolutely vicious assault and banishment?

Only if it's sexual.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Only if it's sexual.

As long as it's detached from pleasure, sure. Like prison rape, we must establish dominance over them.

 

[Kenya Jones]

I just said there are papers posted there once in a while. I'm not going to find them for you, as it gives me no benefit to "win" over you.

"I will quote studies that I won't find" What is it with you people and being too lazy(or scared) to source your claims? Why is this a recurring issue?

View attachment 3267643
Interesting Data i collected from a Leftist discord server, a sample size of about 100 people, which is quite a bit, it's very interesting to see a big correlation between the age, trans and sexuality. It appears according to my math if I'm not a retard, that the % of trans people on the server is about 10 000 times higher than the national average, which tbf is probably lower given it's such a tiny sample size, but one thing is certain, leftists/SJWs/tumblr artists, are dysproportionally affected by ''LGBT'' compared to the rest of the population, while also being below the age of 18. There is also a large number of people that claim to have a certain mental illness, often multiple, like DID/Tourettes...

In reality there's a bit more straight people than the graphic suggests, because they think that being a Trans individual, affects whether you're straight or gay, when it really doesn't, nevertheless, I typed down the sexuality that they ''identified'' as, which may skew in a direction or another.

The data kind of confirms what we already knew, teenagers getting groomed into this lifestyle at an alarming rate, but now we have at least some data to prove it, although not on a big scale, since it was done manually and I'm not a hacker to connect to Discord API and collect the data.
I thought it'd be interesting to type this here, sorry if it's a wrong thread.

Why are you in a server that is ~90% children?

As long as it's detached from pleasure, sure. Like prison rape, we must establish dominance over them.

I'll fuck your tight bussy, it won't be for pleasure, but it's the right thing to do.

 

[Mark Antony]

As long as it's detached from pleasure, sure. Like prison rape, we must establish dominance over them.

You're either religious or an idiot to believe in that. If you want to break anyone you need to strip them of pride and show them that you relish in it and are entitled to it. It is grotesque and personal, like lynching or heavy-handed life sentences. All that farce of due process and slave morality simply embellishes and masks the primal passions governing our "civilised" society. Justice isn't blind. She's a refined sadomasochistic bitch.

 

[Astro Loafo]

So I'm throwing this out there as a wrench to almost everyone's arguments here.

Eh hemmm..... no serious study has ever been done for why or how or anything LGBT. Most studies are surveys, all research is funded by leftist groups with some shady agenda. All studies are poorly done and/or falsified. And thanks to Obama, it is illegal to research fundamental roots of homosexuality and transgenderism because that could be seen as conversion therapy.

So, sorry not sorry but all of you are wrong.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You're either religious or an idiot to believe in that. If you want to break anyone you need to strip them of pride and show them that you relish in it and are entitled to it. It is grotesque and personal, like lynching or heavy-handed life sentences. All that farce of due process and slave morality simply embellishes and masks the primal passions governing our "civilised" society. Justice isn't blind. She's a refined sadomasochistic bitch.

I acquiesce to your wisdom on this matter.

 

[Kenya Jones]

So I'm throwing this out there as a wrench to almost everyone's arguments here.

Eh hemmm..... no serious study has ever been done for why or how or anything LGBT. Most studies are surveys, all research is funded by leftist groups with some shady agenda. All studies are poorly done and/or falsified. And thanks to Obama, it is illegal to research fundamental roots of homosexuality and transgenderism because that could be seen as conversion therapy.

So, sorry not sorry but all of you are wrong.

While I do not know the existence of any studies on that subject, I do know one of (if not the) best doctors regarding trans healthcare, has stated that it is most likely stuff to do with hormone levels at a certain stage of pregnancy. Also you should get checked for delusions.