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LORD IMPERATOR said:
To be fair, he was kind of dumb in the original ROTJ, as well. His whole shtick in ESB was to recruit his son to fight the Emperor. In ROTJ, his son shows up, fully trained and everything, ready to help him kill the Emperor. He chickens out instead and defends the Emperor from Luke, when clearly, he should have done the opposite to try and kill the Emperor. He should have instead asked his son if Yoda taught him how to counter the Dark Side, so that when they come to face the Emperor, they'd be ready.

My own silly fan theory is that the Emperor found out about Vader trying to recruit Luke in ESB for his little regicide trip, and the Emperor decided to torture and break Vader, so when Vader faces Luke in ROTJ, the ambitious warlord we saw in ESB is gone, replaced with a broken shell who bows to his master the way Padawans do, instead of the way a Sith would; with a knife at his back.
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I like the theory honestly, it does give more reason to Vader's apparent submissiveness in ROTJ, what with Vader telling Luke that Palpatine is Luke's master. And the whole fun of these silly Fantasy Stories is to make your own interpretations, to fill any minor plotholes if you will. Which is why I tend to loathe people who ask questions like "Why didn't the giant eagles take Frodo & the ring to Mordor?"

But anyway I've always seen it that Vader's backstabbing plan was still in motion, but Vader's regicide requires Luke to give into the Dark Side of the Force. When Palpatine teases Luke to kill him (and Luke obliges) Palpatine knows that Vader will prevent Luke. What if Vader did let Luke kill Palpatine right there? Well Luke and Vader would have then eventually clashed because Luke wouldn't be committed to Space Fascism.

So Vader and Palpatine and ultimately are still in alliance in that Luke needs to come to the Dark Side by mentally and physically torturing him. If their plan succeeded then one of the elder Sith would have been murdered by Luke. But as we know it didn't and Luke would have rather been murdered in cold blood then continue being fucked with by the Sith.

Ultimately the whole point of Vader hesitiating over to save Luke is not out of full loyalty but because Sith Lords are forced to absolutely hate the peacekeeping Jedi. By saving Luke Vader could not continue being of the Dark Side of the Force. Also I like to think that Vader died not just due to Palpatine's lightning but because the Dark Side of the Force gave him the power to keep living despite his traumatic configuration.
 
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Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Dev Claims Requests for a Black and/or Female Lead Were Rejected
"A former Respawn Entertainment developer has claimed that requests from team members to make the protagonist of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order female and/or Black were shut down. The response allegedly centered around the fact that the Star Wars franchise had a female lead after the movies' Rey, and the game already had 2 prominent Black characters.



Nora Shramek, a lighting artist at Respawn who worked on Fallen Order, tweeted (below) that multiple employees pushed for a Black and/or female protagonist during development, before the game launched in 2019, but were rejected because the game and wider franchise already represented those communities.

"When I worked on [Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order], a lot of devs wanted and advocated for the main character to be Black and/or a woman," Shramek said in a tweet spotted by GamesRadar. The reasons apparently given for not going in that direction were because "we already have two Black people in the game" and "Rey is a woman and we can't do that too."
Fallen Order was eventiually released with a white, male lead, Cal Kestis – who has since become an established part of the Star Wars business and canon.

Following up on her previous tweets, Shramek added that these decisions were made at the Respawn level and were not the result of an "evil EA" or "overly controlling Lucasfilm/Disney."

"It was our team's game and yes, a few of the people with decision making power made choices," she said. The issue isn't with Cal or his actor, but "about opportunity lost".

Shramek clarified that these were her personal experiences with "a few people who had the opportunity to push change," and added that "I no longer work at Respawn and, from my understanding of people who do, there have been changes since my departure."
Shramek also shared an alleged experience of racist commentary at the studio, saying that someone once commented: "I think all the Black people need to have more glossy skin because Black people have more oily skin than other people." The comment was met with "dead shock on everyone's face", Shramek said.

We've contacted Respawn for comment. Shramek declined to comment further to IGN.

Alongside Fallen Order and Apex Legends, Respawn is also known for the Titanfall franchise and is currently working on three new Star Wars games, including a sequel to Fallen Order.""
 
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nostalgiasorrow said:
Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Dev Claims Requests for a Black and/or Female Lead Were Rejected
"A former Respawn Entertainment developer has claimed that requests from team members to make the protagonist of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order female and/or Black were shut down. The response allegedly centered around the fact that the Star Wars franchise had a female lead after the movies' Rey, and the game already had 2 prominent Black characters.



Nora Shramek, a lighting artist at Respawn who worked on Fallen Order, tweeted (below) that multiple employees pushed for a Black and/or female protagonist during development, before the game launched in 2019, but were rejected because the game and wider franchise already represented those communities.

"When I worked on [Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order], a lot of devs wanted and advocated for the main character to be Black and/or a woman," Shramek said in a tweet spotted by GamesRadar. The reasons apparently given for not going in that direction were because "we already have two Black people in the game" and "Rey is a woman and we can't do that too."
Fallen Order was eventiually released with a white, male lead, Cal Kestis – who has since become an established part of the Star Wars business and canon.

Following up on her previous tweets, Shramek added that these decisions were made at the Respawn level and were not the result of an "evil EA" or "overly controlling Lucasfilm/Disney."

"It was our team's game and yes, a few of the people with decision making power made choices," she said. The issue isn't with Cal or his actor, but "about opportunity lost".

Shramek clarified that these were her personal experiences with "a few people who had the opportunity to push change," and added that "I no longer work at Respawn and, from my understanding of people who do, there have been changes since my departure."
Shramek also shared an alleged experience of racist commentary at the studio, saying that someone once commented: "I think all the Black people need to have more glossy skin because Black people have more oily skin than other people." The comment was met with "dead shock on everyone's face", Shramek said.

We've contacted Respawn for comment. Shramek declined to comment further to IGN.

Alongside Fallen Order and Apex Legends, Respawn is also known for the Titanfall franchise and is currently working on three new Star Wars games, including a sequel to Fallen Order.""
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Oh no, they made one AAA Star Wars game where the lead character is a white male. Coincidentally the majority of Star Wars fans happen to also be white males.

How dreadful EA.
 
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Cardenio said:
Oh no, they made one AAA Star Wars game where the lead character is a white male. Coincidentally the majority of Star Wars fans happen to also be white males.

How dreadful EA.
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As it was mentioned, Cal was made into a male, because they feared that if it was a female Jedi, and if the character was written decently, she'd outshine Rey. If they made Cal Kestis a strong, proud, black lesbian, the character would still make Rey look like spoiled milk in comparison, so long as you have a decent story. Take Juhani and Belaya from KOTOR, and give Belaya a tan skin color, and you're good to go.

To be fair, even if it was a female Jedi in a AAA game, most white males would buy it. Make her a sex symbol like Bastila Shan and Aayla Secura, and make the game Bayonetta but with lightsabers and Force powers, and you've got the male demographic sold on the game.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
To be fair, even if it was a female Jedi in a AAA game, most white males would buy it. Make her a sex symbol like Bastila Shan and Aayla Secura, and make the game Bayonetta but with lightsabers and Force powers, and you've got the male demographic sold on the game.
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Yes, but that would require Disney to both want to and understand how to create a female character with sex appeal.
 
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Flammifer said:
Yes, but that would require Disney to both want to and understand how to create a female character with sex appeal.
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All they need to do is visit all the art sites where female SW characters are drawn, and copy and paste. Change a few things, and you're good to go.

But I suppose they think such places are too sexist for their eyes, so I suppose that's a lost cause.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
To be fair, even if it was a female Jedi in a AAA game, most white males would buy it. Make her a sex symbol like Bastila Shan and Aayla Secura, and make the game Bayonetta but with lightsabers and Force powers, and you've got the male demographic sold on the game.
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You and I both know that Disney would veto any Star Wars female that could be compared to Lara Croft and especially Bayonetta.

They're so deeply concerned over the possibility of pleasing that male gaze that they hid Daisy Ridley's body with so much cloth that you couldn't see her ankles.
 
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I might be (late) about this but Robot Head made a new video going over the Book of Booba Fatt and there's a really interesting moment he brings up where one of those dumbass Mod bikers crashes through a giant Ralph McQuarrie concept painting of Jabba The Hutt from ROTJ.
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Ignoring the stupidity of having this concept artwork exist in-universe now (not that Disney is a stranger to having Star Wars break the fourth wall like this *cough* Soylo *cough*) think about how from TFA onwards they've picked through McQuarrie's trashed concept ideas for their own shitty movies because of how creatively bankrupt they are. Then they make this really odd joke for seemingly no reason, destroying his artwork.
The Gangster Computer said:
"There is a logic to that," Lucas says. "The first part being is that there's a lot of Skywalkers. Is there one Skywalker in the universe? No. You should see the phone book!""I always thought Skywalker name was somewhat unique?" Stewart asks."No, no, no, there's even the Skywalker wine," Lucas says.
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But remember guys, Rey being a nobody is brilliant because it proves the main character of the movies doesn't have to be related to anyone to be special, and you don't have to be from a famous family to be a Jedi. Anyone can be force sensitive now!
...jfc

@Mississippi Motorboater Had a really good point a few pages back about Rogue One, Soylo, and the TV series I wanted to comment on.
Everything they've produced that wasn't the sequels (which was trash but they knew they at least had to shit out 3 films) has felt incredibly aimless, like they only have a basic premise to work with and they start shooting right afterwards.

I know they have to shit out content to make money and they have zero quality control, but the stuff they've made is ridiculously half baked. Not only that, but the D+ shows and spinoff movies add little to nothing to Star Wars as a universe unless you're a lore autist, but even then the stuff is terribly written and I'd rather it not exist at all. It's all pointless as hell but people eat it up because of the dopamine hits they get every time there's a piece of fanservice for them to clap to. It's consoomed and then forgotten. Disney is lucky the sequels sucked as much ass as they did or people would be way more harsh towards everything else they've made.

Flammifer said:
Yes, but that would require Disney to both want to and understand how to create a female character with sex appeal.
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Female characters aren't allowed to be sexy anymore for YOUR enjoyment you bigot.
 
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nostalgiasorrow said:
Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Dev Claims Requests for a Black and/or Female Lead Were Rejected
"A former Respawn Entertainment developer has claimed that requests from team members to make the protagonist of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order female and/or Black were shut down. The response allegedly centered around the fact that the Star Wars franchise had a female lead after the movies' Rey, and the game already had 2 prominent Black characters.



Nora Shramek, a lighting artist at Respawn who worked on Fallen Order, tweeted (below) that multiple employees pushed for a Black and/or female protagonist during development, before the game launched in 2019, but were rejected because the game and wider franchise already represented those communities.

"When I worked on [Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order], a lot of devs wanted and advocated for the main character to be Black and/or a woman," Shramek said in a tweet spotted by GamesRadar. The reasons apparently given for not going in that direction were because "we already have two Black people in the game" and "Rey is a woman and we can't do that too."
Fallen Order was eventiually released with a white, male lead, Cal Kestis – who has since become an established part of the Star Wars business and canon.

Following up on her previous tweets, Shramek added that these decisions were made at the Respawn level and were not the result of an "evil EA" or "overly controlling Lucasfilm/Disney."

"It was our team's game and yes, a few of the people with decision making power made choices," she said. The issue isn't with Cal or his actor, but "about opportunity lost".

Shramek clarified that these were her personal experiences with "a few people who had the opportunity to push change," and added that "I no longer work at Respawn and, from my understanding of people who do, there have been changes since my departure."
Shramek also shared an alleged experience of racist commentary at the studio, saying that someone once commented: "I think all the Black people need to have more glossy skin because Black people have more oily skin than other people." The comment was met with "dead shock on everyone's face", Shramek said.

We've contacted Respawn for comment. Shramek declined to comment further to IGN.

Alongside Fallen Order and Apex Legends, Respawn is also known for the Titanfall franchise and is currently working on three new Star Wars games, including a sequel to Fallen Order.""
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Interesting how they only wanted a black lead and not an Asian, Latino, etc. etc. More proof that liberal diversity means black and black only.
 
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Sneed F91 said:
@Mississippi Motorboater Had a really good point a few pages back about Rogue One, Soylo, and the TV series I wanted to comment on. Everything they've produced that wasn't the sequels (which was trash but they knew they at least had to shit out 3 films) has felt incredibly aimless
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And remember how completely fucking aimless the ST Films by themselves. They LITERALLY had no plan going in.

And yet, somehow, the standalone tripe like Rogue One, Solo, and Blandalorian feel even MORE aimless. That's an inhuman feat in and of itself.
 
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Mississippi Motorboater said:
And remember how completely fucking aimless the ST Films by themselves. They LITERALLY had no plan going in.

And yet, somehow, the standalone tripe like Rogue One, Solo, and Blandalorian feel even MORE aimless. That's an inhuman feat in and of itself.
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Oh, Rogue One, Mando, and Solo had their aims, all right; to milk OT nostalgia.

You can say the same thing about the Sequels; they were copying the EU, except badly. TFA was a literal copy-and-paste of ANH merged with Legacy of the Force, TLJ was a poor man's KOTOR 2 mixed in with a message about war profiteering and your heroes being bad, and RoS was a poor man's Dark Empire.

When you compare the two, the reason why Rogue One, Mando and Solo get a light pat on the back as opposed to the utter demonization of the ST is because of the fact that the ST spits on the original heroes, whereas Rogue One and Mando were more akin to just side stories that happen around the same time as the beloved OT. Solo gets a light pat on the back as well, since it wasn't as insulting as TLJ, nor did it undo the OT like TFA.
 
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The Gangster Computer said:
I can't remember the source either but I think what you're referring to was a Tatooine orphan slave thing iirc. Something about caste or identifier.
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"I'm just a shitty dirtfarmer!"
"What? No, no, Duke, there's nothing to be ashamed of!"
"Yeah, what do you know?"
"Dirtfarmer is just the surname they give all orphans on Tatooine. They do that on all the worlds! Like uh...Barry Wavewalker from Kamino! Or Jon Snow! ...from Hoth."

I doubt Auralnauts was directly referencing anything from canon there, but it's still funny. episode 8 when
 
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The Tomb of Ludo Kressh is fun but Korriban is far too short of a planet in Kotor 2. There's just nothing to it, and the tomb itself is totally optional and possibly barred to you on your first visit to the planet. When I was a kid I didn't even know it existed the first time I played the game. There's honestly just not really anything to say about Korriban, especially compared to how it was probably the most fun and interesting planet in the first game. There's not even anything to really do with your companions.
 
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I managed to read Light of the Jedi. Very mediocre and boring. For a book loaded with Jedi and lightsabers, none of it feels like Star Wars, but some generic Mass Effect nu-bioware. If I read ''We are all the Republic'' one more time...
 
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