Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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Yeah, that is 1:1 copied from Russian propaganda outlets.
Then russian propaganda are comes to the same conclusion as independent observer, hurray to them.
I don't claim to be definitely right, or to fully understand these very complex issues
Claims ignorance
you can't even accept some very basic and obvious facts
Presents the "obvious"
Facts that may be interpreted in different ways, which could be the basis for a discussion
Claims the obvious may have different interpretations

But my interpretation is clearly wrong because it doesn't align with your beliefs. This has never happened before and here it is again.
 
What are your facts? I am interested in them.
About what specifically? It's true that there's legitimate grievances underlying the breakaway bullshit republics, but it's also true that most likely none of them exist today if Russia hadn't intervened, and in the case of Ukraine, Russian glowniggers were instrumental in stoking that resentment into an uprising in the first place. Ukraine and Moldova are both countries that would have sought closer alignment with the EU, so a genocide of Russian speakers isn't a realistic proposal. Their grievances could be solved internally, politically, there's nothing that is a major problem (outside of Russian sponsored horseshit, everything Russians claim "western NGOs" do, Russian glowies actually do x 100).

It's also true that the people in those bullshit republics suffer the most under their status and that's especially visible in Ukraine where large Russian dominated cities exist happily and prosperously outside of the breakaway regions that have turned into utter hellholes under Russian "protection".

There's more political issues in all those countries, but none of them can be resolved while the Russian army maintains a military deadlock. And this deadlock and the suffering it causes everyone is the point of Russian policies in these regions, which is another reason it is absurd to claim Russia is acting out of humanitarian considerations.
 
About what specifically? It's true that there's legitimate grievances underlying the breakaway bullshit republics, but it's also true that most likely none of them exist today if Russia hadn't intervened, and in the case of Ukraine, Russian glowniggers were instrumental in stoking that resentment into an uprising in the first place. Ukraine and Moldova are both countries that would have sought closer alignment with the EU, so a genocide of Russian speakers isn't a realistic proposal. Their grievances could be solved internally, politically, there's nothing that is a major problem (outside of Russian sponsored horseshit, everything Russians claim "western NGOs" do, Russian glowies actually do x 100).

It's also true that the people in those bullshit republics suffer the most under their status and that's especially visible in Ukraine where large Russian dominated cities exist happily and prosperously outside of the breakaway regions that have turned into utter hellholes under Russian "protection".

There's more political issues in all those countries, but none of them can be resolved while the Russian army maintains a military deadlock. And this deadlock and the suffering it causes everyone is the point of Russian policies in these regions, which is another reason it is absurd to claim Russia is acting out of humanitarian considerations.
So tldr russians shouldnt intervene in interest of russians? What are you smoking? Should all nations abandon their people if they dont live inside their borders?
And why is there so many glowniggers here recently?
 
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So tldr russians shouldnt intervene in interest of russians? What are you smoking? Should all nations abandon their people if they dont live inside their borders?
And why is there so many glowniggers here recently?
Objectively none of these interventions have been to the benefit of the people Russia sided with, and neither have they been to the benefit of the Russian people in Russia, since these regions cost a lot of money to maintain in this state.

It serves some geopolitical goal, which may or may not be sound (I obviously think it's unsound), but it's not clear to me how any actual people benefit.
 
About what specifically? It's true that there's legitimate grievances underlying the breakaway bullshit republics, but it's also true that most likely none of them exist today if Russia hadn't intervened, and in the case of Ukraine, Russian glowniggers were instrumental in stoking that resentment into an uprising in the first place. Ukraine and Moldova are both countries that would have sought closer alignment with the EU, so a genocide of Russian speakers isn't a realistic proposal. Their grievances could be solved internally, politically, there's nothing that is a major problem (outside of Russian sponsored horseshit, everything Russians claim "western NGOs" do, Russian glowies actually do x 100).

It's also true that the people in those bullshit republics suffer the most under their status and that's especially visible in Ukraine where large Russian dominated cities exist happily and prosperously outside of the breakaway regions that have turned into utter hellholes under Russian "protection".

There's more political issues in all those countries, but none of them can be resolved while the Russian army maintains a military deadlock. And this deadlock and the suffering it causes everyone is the point of Russian policies in these regions, which is another reason it is absurd to claim Russia is acting out of humanitarian considerations.
Here's the big issue. Ukraine and Moldova have large Russian Speaking populations. A large, largely ethnic/culturally Russian or Russian connected population thriving in a largely democratic environment such as the EU poses huge political problems for Putin. In much the same way that Taiwan and to a lesser extent Hong Kong causes political problems for Xi. That Chinese culture thrives in a democracy causes people to ask "why can't we have that?". The existence of the independent democratic republics of Russian or Chinese heritage creates something to compare the authoritarian regimes to, and not in a flattering way.
 
Donbabwe and Lugansk are bullshit "republics" created by the Russian government, propped up by the Russian army, and ran through bandit chiefs by the Russian government. They are not and were never real countries.
Russia created them to use them to fuck Ukraine for demented imperialist reasons. Same goes for Transnistria and Abkhazia for example, and if the Baltic countries hadn't joined NATO you can bet they would have their little cancer fake republics too. Russian speaking people in the Ukrainian parts of these areas were living a perfectly normal life and were ironically far freer than Russians in Russia, let alone the bandit ran regions under Russian control.

Every single person who died in the Donbass died because of the Russian government. Without Russian interference the uprising would never have become this militant, and without the intervention of the Russian military the whole thing would have ended 7 years ago with the reintegration of the regions into Ukraine and the resumption of normal economic and political life there.

I'm amazed by how many people in this thread take Russian news at face value, they live in a made up reality that has nothing to with what is actually happening in the world.
Man drop this retarded “Russians in Ukraine are so free” bullshit. Nobody in Ukraine is “free” because Ukraine is a poverty-ridden shithole that everyone wants to leave.

Russians in Russia are several times richer than Russians(and ukrainians) in Ukraine and have a significantly higher HDI. The Russian government doesn’t try to crush minority languages like Ukraine does, so even by your standards Russia is freer for ethnic minorities that Ukraine. Millions of Ukrainians live in Russia unmolested, ethnic Ukrainians frequently move to Russia for a better life. I can assure you that the reverse doesn’t happen.

You don’t just believe any dumb shit you see in western media, you also create elaborate stories in your head based on it. You’re in no position to talk about people believing propaganda.
 
An attempt to break through the blockades of Azovstal

Inside Azovstal


There is no water and electricity in Mariupol, so people cook the products that our military give them on bonfires. They go to wells for water or take imported water from the humanitarian aid.

Local residents are afraid of the onset of heat — garbage has not been taken out in the city for a long time, which creates a threat of the spread of epidemiological diseases
 
Here's the big issue. Ukraine and Moldova have large Russian Speaking populations. A large, largely ethnic/culturally Russian or Russian connected population thriving in a largely democratic environment such as the EU poses huge political problems for Putin. In much the same way that Taiwan and to a lesser extent Hong Kong causes political problems for Xi. That Chinese culture thrives in a democracy causes people to ask "why can't we have that?". The existence of the independent democratic republics of Russian or Chinese heritage creates something to compare the authoritarian regimes to, and not in a flattering way.
Russian propaganda also uses anti-Russian sentiment that resulted from the Russian invasions/interventions to justify those interventions retroactively.

Another thing that mustn't be ignored is that Russian speaking populations are often pretty old, many of them are pensioners or underemployed white trash. These people spend a lot of time watching Russian language news made in Russia, and these are 99% complete lies about what their own local government does, what Russia is like, retarded conspiracy theories about the West, etc.
You can't comprehend how demented and brainwashed people who were fed this crap for decades are by now. I know several of them personally. It's absolutely impossible to get through to them. They will believe the most retarded Russian lie (biolabs lol) while saying something they can see direct video proof of is made up because Russian media never mentioned it or said it's a "provocation", whatever that even means.

This causes issues for the country these people live in, because many Russian speakers are actively hostile to it while receiving welfare gibs and contributing little. They also can't be reached because they are fed a stream of lies 24/7. I have to reiterate, this isn't the tendentious reporting we get from western MSM, these are outright lies. Imagine if every single political and even random flavour news was reported the way tranny news are reported in the US. And unlike in the US, there are no dissenting voices.

This is also why Russian media get banned in Europe. It's not "banning opposing perspectives", it's "Hitler was a Jew" and "Ukrainians shell their own cities to make Russia look bad" tier horseshit.

I've heard from people whose grandparents have suddenly started to get a negative view of Russia's war in Ukraine after seeing the destruction, corpses, the suffering of the people, after they started to watch normal news after Russian lies were blocked.
 
Wait, what? There is 38 million polish people. Before war, there was 1 million Ukrainian. Durring war 2 million refugees fled and most of those went back to Ukraine. Even if all of those stay it is less than 10% of Population.

And if there will be escalation of war, we are happy to accept more. I'm personally making donation to fundation keeping refugee camps running.
Black people make up 13% of the US population and everyone else thinks the entire country is just blacks. Likewise, Jews made up 10% of the Polish population and everyone seems to think every Pole's next door neighbor attends synagogue. The point is that the influence of such a percentage, both domestic and abroad, will be absolutely unmistakable if they remain.
 
Gonna reply to a few of the retarded takes i've been seeing on the thread, primarily given by Russo-fellators.


Good luck, you're gonna need it :story:
Resettlement (people going back to their country after a war) isn't some exceptionally difficult thing to accomplish that's never been heard of before. Most people do it willingly in fact. You have 2 whole ass world wars showing refugees successfully resettle back to their countries of origin after a war. If you want more recent and more dramatic examples, you can look at Kosovo and Bosnia where well over 50% of the population was displaced and came back after the conflict (atleast the fighting) was resolved. Of course there's always a % that stays if they can help it but in Ukraines case it's gonna be a fraction of what is already a fraction of the population. Short of the country disappearing tomorrow, a demographic crisis is unlikely. For as much of a hohol-shill @Elbereth is he is right about that.
They were created spontaneously throughout all of east Ukraine the next day after the success of Maiden and the loss of power by Yanukovych. Or do you want to say that the Russians planned this 5th move to lose their puppet?
You were so close yet you failed at the last hurdle. With Crimea you at least had the excuse of the region going back and forth between Russia nd Ukraine, and there being some legitimate tension between the region and the general Ukie gooberment. This was not the case with the East of Ukraine. The eastern republics or provinces or whatever you want to call them exist purely out of the knee jerk react of Russia after losing one of it's major puppets. It has nothing to do with planning 7 moves ahead or 83D chess or whatever meme you decide to spew senselessly. Russia wanted to hold on to a crumb of influence so they backed whoever was willing to give them said influence.
This is extra-ironic considering the world view some of the Russaboos have in this thread.
Yes, guess why. It's got nothing to do with the large minority of Russians that are still there after the dissolution of the Union, and they really get butthurt when they are considered second-class citizens based on their ethnicity. If only there was a way of making their government not be retarded and antagonise their own population.
This is also non-sensical, Transnitria is a relic of USSR meddling in the region, which funnily enough Moldova itself is a relic of USSRs meddling in the region, it's a relic of a relic. It has nothing to do with Russian's being considered second class citizens. The region simply refused a regime change because the region had a heap of USSR bases/troops and pro-USSR-administrators located in it, had a couple of skirmishes and has been completely dependent on Russia since.

The whole situation in this thread has become " Would you rather stand in horse shit, or cow shit?" No, i don't want to stand in any shit. Both countries are slavic shit holes that would be better served as dumping grounds for nuclear waste. Yet there's people here arguing who's committing the least amount of war crimes, as if that makes their side look better.
 
I don't care if the Ukraine rots in uncollected trash. Any foe of Hungary deserves such a fate.

If Ruskies want to die to make holols suffer... well... I won't give a dead pig's ass about it.

Certainly don't want to give up cheap ruskie gas for it. Piggies could have just let the adidas people speak adidas language without their laws, but nope, they had to fuck around and find out.

They'll find out, Biden ain't no Napolean, not even a Hitler. Better troops went into Russia and never came back.
 
United nation is not court :suffering:

Excuse me, but who do you think sentenced nazis after WWII? What organization states international law?
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There was no UN right after WW2 you idiot. The Allies got together and decided to have the trials as per the the Charter of the International Military Tribunal aka the Nuremberg Charter, same for the trial of Japanese war criminals, the Tokyo Charter.

And no, the United Nations is not a court you dumb Polack. The International Criminal Court is in The Hague. Are you even in Europe?
Calm down and literally just read.

Yes, it is up to individual member countries and the ICJ to actually enforce any of this, but the UN definition is by and large the written language of the law.
Again, there was no United Nations after WW2. The UN does a lot of things but trying cases is not one of them, The ICC is in the Netherlands. A country has to be a signatory to the treaty establishing it in order to be subject to its jurisdiction and the USA famously (or infamously, depending on your take) refuses sign and to submit to its authority.
 
There was no UN right after WW2 you idiot. The Allies got together and decided to have the trials as per the the Charter of the International Military Tribunal aka the Nuremberg Charter, same for the trial of Japanese war criminals, the Tokyo Charter.

And no, the United Nations is not a court you dumb Polack. The International Criminal Court is in The Hague. Are you even in Europe?

Again, there was no United Nations after WW2. The UN does a lot of things but trying cases is not one of them, The ICC is in the Netherlands. A country has to be a signatory to the treaty establishing it in order to be subject to its jurisdiction and the USA famously (or infamously, depending on your take) refuses sign and to submit to its authority.
The UN came into being on 26 June 1945, and the UN Charter came into force on 24 October 1945.

 
Leader of the American designated terrorist accelerationist and white supremacist group called "The Base" reportedly fighting now in Ukraine in the ranks of neo-nazis.
Endorsed by the government (one way of getting rid of white supremacists)
 
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I don't care if the Ukraine rots in uncollected trash. Any foe of Hungary deserves such a fate.

If Ruskies want to die to make holols suffer... well... I won't give a dead pig's ass about it.

Certainly don't want to give up cheap ruskie gas for it. Piggies could have just let the adidas people speak adidas language without their laws, but nope, they had to fuck around and find out.

They'll find out, Biden ain't no Napolean, not even a Hitler. Better troops went into Russia and never came back.
Orban, that you?

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