Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[TinCan Wizard]

George already blew it, Disney just follows suit. In Episode 3, Dooku and Grievous act like this was their first duel with the main characters. And then you have TCW where they fought multiple times. Why would Grievous tell Obi Wan he was trained by Dooku when they already fought for 10+ episodes, except this time Obi Wan had a gun and shot him.

 

[Ishtar]

George Lucas is many things, but he isn't the sole arbiter of good ideas for the SW universe. His depiction of General Greivous compared to the Tartakovsky one proves that alone.

That and he has been the purveyor of many bad ideas as well.

 

[cjv97]

George already blew it, Disney just follows suit. In Episode 3, Dooku and Grievous act like this was their first duel with the main characters. And then you have TCW where they fought multiple times. Why would Grievous tell Obi Wan he was trained by Dooku when they already fought for 10+ episodes, except this time Obi Wan had a gun and shot him.

Unless I'm wrong, but I remember something similar, Obi-Wan and Anakin said this to each other before fighting Dooku aboard the Invisible Hand "This time we'll do it together" "I was about to say that." Basically making them sound like they've never done this before, when Obi-Wan and Anakin fought Dooku together on the Pyke planet and failed.

 

[Calandrino]

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It does kinda track with her parents selling her for drinking money

 

[Midwit]

And then you have TCW where they fought multiple times. Why would Grievous tell Obi Wan he was trained by Dooku when they already fought for 10+ episodes, except this time Obi Wan had a gun and shot him.

when Obi-Wan and Anakin fought Dooku together on the Pyke planet and failed

You can't blame Lucas for not accounting for a cartoon that started airing 5 years after the film, and I firmly believe that people massively overstate his involvement with that show as a means to give it some form of legitimacy.

Spoiler: Pic related

 

[Ghostse]

Pic Related

And she was a good friend

 

[The handsome tard]

Return of the Jedi is better than ESB.

I honestly see it as an apples and oranges situation. I think both of them are great for different reasons.
Empire is more "cerebral" movie while Return is the more "emotional" movie to me. The former rises the stakes while the latter pays everything off beautifully.

The Jabba palace section never felt "pointless" to me, it clearly had the whole point of saving Han Solo from the situation Empire setup. Without mentioning it did pay off the stuff that was being setup about Jabba and how much he was built through ANH and ESB as someone that even the empire was forced to somewhat respect the wishes of.
Boba Fett being easily taken care of always felt like it was showing that, against a Jedi, not even the best bounty hunter could pose a threat and/or showing Boba Fett was possibly more bark than bite ultimately.

But I think it all comes together beautifully in the end. Ian as Palpatine is easily one of the most iconic villains of all time, the prequels would solidify that fact but he was already making history in his debut movie alone.

So I kind of find the comparisons between both movies kind of pointless when I consider them as good in the grand scheme.

ANH introduces it
ESB expands on it
RoTJ concludes it

There is a reason why this trilogy is so iconic

 

[Sneed F91]

I honestly see it as an apples and oranges situation. I think both of them are great for different reasons.
Empire is more "cerebral" movie while Return is the more "emotional" movie to me. The former rises the stakes while the latter pays everything off beautifully.

The Jabba palace section never felt "pointless" to me, it clearly had the whole point of saving Han Solo from the situation Empire setup. Without mentioning it did pay off the stuff that was being setup about Jabba and how much he was built through ANH and ESB as someone that even the empire was forced to somewhat respect the wishes of.
Boba Fett being easily taken care of always felt like it was showing that, against a Jedi, not even the best bounty hunter could pose a threat and/or showing Boba Fett was possibly more bark than bite ultimately.

But I think it all comes together beautifully in the end. Ian as Palpatine is easily one of the most iconic villains of all time, the prequels would solidify that fact but he was already making history in his debut movie alone.

So I kind of find the comparisons between both movies kind of pointless when I consider them as good in the grand scheme.

ANH introduces is
ESB expands on it
RoTJ concludes it

There is a reason why this trilogy is so iconic

I think when people say ESB is the best it's generally because it's supposedly the darkest one (conveniently forgetting the dark tone ROTJ could have) and makes Star Wars fanboys feel like adults I think it's the technically the best film of the OT production wise. ANH is rough around the edges because they had a smaller budget to create the innovative special effects that hadn't even been tried before. ROTJ still looks big and expensive but it's just not as good looking as ESB in some parts and it's clear they cut costs to keep the budget down in places because of how much went to waste making ESB. That's not even mentioning it has the best cinematography imo.

The whole trilogy is supposed to work together as a single story though and for the most part it does.

 

[Ghostse]

I think when people say ESB is the best it's generally because it's supposedly the darkest one (conveniently forgetting the dark tone ROTJ could have) and makes Star Wars fanboys feel like adults I think it's the technically the best film of the OT production wise. ANH is rough around the edges because they had a smaller budget to create the innovative special effects that hadn't even been tried before. ROTJ still looks big and expensive but it's just not as good looking as ESB in some parts and it's clear they cut costs to keep the budget down in places because of how much went to waste making ESB. That's not even mentioning it has the cinematography imo.

The whole trilogy is supposed to work together as a single story though and for the most part it does.

I think ESB is the best because its the most (and I point to the number of quotes being used) """"""""""""accurate"""""""""""" depiction of the Rebel Alliance vs. The Empire, which is the Rebels suffer several tactical defeats but come out with several strategic victories despite it.

I think ROTJ would probably be more fondly remembered and the OT favorite if Lucas hadn't gone full Ewok.

 

[Adamska]

I genuinely prefer ANH out of all of the OT myself; it's clever with what it works with and it has this ability to stand on its own more than the others due to Lucas being unsure if he could get a sequel going. I genuinely like that about it. It also has all of its pieces able to do something with each other.

The biggest flaw in Return IMO is that the first act isn't tied at all or well to the rest of the plot, and the second act drags on. It also has the issue of splitting its cast into a bit too many pieces and half of them get almost nothing to work with.

Ironically Menace actually was better about giving the cast their duties and dues, despite being less focused than Return. I think Return still has more high points due to George being less autistic and controlling over how the cast delivers their lines tho.

 

[Ghostse]

Ironically Menace actually was better about giving the cast their duties and dues, despite being less focused than Return. I think Return still has more high points due to George being less autistic and controlling over how the cast delivers their lines tho.

As I pointed out to earlier when talking about Menace/Return's slow openings:
There is a big difference in doing these things as the 3rd movie of a trilogy instead of the first.

ROTJ could split the cast and the action because by that point audiences knew who the characters were and were invested in them. It didn't work with TPM because 'Litterally WHO?' we were supposed to care about because they were Jedi; the villain was more interesting than any of the heroes.

edit: Now that I'm thinking about it, that could also explain part of why I've softened on TPM over the years - having seen the entire PT going back for a rewatch I know more about the characters.

 

[Akumaten]

ROTJ could split the cast and the action because by that point audiences knew who the characters were and were invested in them.

You just answered your own question. In context, Return of the Jedi already had pre-established characters. TPM was the first episode. On a first time viewing, we wouldn't know how Qui Gon's death would effect the course of events.
I always considered TPM and TROJ two sides of the same coin with Qui Gon Jin and Luke. TPM with the death of the last true Jedi and ROTJ with the rebirth of one and with Anakin as well.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

The Jabba palace section never felt "pointless" to me, it clearly had the whole point of saving Han Solo from the situation Empire setup.

I feel like part of the point of the Jabba sequence is giving Luke the chance to show off his training as a full jedi knight. Throughout the trilogy, Luke spends a lot of his time being beaten down or overpowered when he's not in his ship, so here we finally get the payoff of him getting to kick some ass and echo Obi-Wan's calm yet threatening demeanour. It especially makes sense to do this here because, outside of the Endor chase, Luke's role in the movie is standing down and pleading for Anakin to do the right thing (even the Vader rematch isn't really a fight, it's taunting). It gives focus to both sides of being a jedi, the warrior and the monk.

 

[Sneed F91]

Random tangent but I recently watched the Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers movie last night because I was looking forward to how bad it was. I was disappointed because it was just mediocre. The one thing that stuck out to me was how people are reacting to it online. The movie reminded me of TFA and TLJ in that aspect.

Disney made another badly written cynical piece of nostalgia bait full of references to things and people ate it the fuck up. It's just like I said a few posts ago, people just want to clap at things they recognize. When people talk about the movie they don't really bring up the story or the characters, just the references and jokes. Just like how people who like Disney Wars like it for the references no matter how badly written it is. Disney has not learned anything from their ownership of Lucasfilm and Star Wars at all. But at the same time, why would they? The only real film flop they had was Soylo. TROS capped off the ultimate piece of shit movie trilogy and it still made a billion. Sure Kennedyfilm is a separate studio but my point still stands.

Kenobi is unfortunately going to succeed just because of this. The memberberries are too strong even if everything else is low quality.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I will bring this point up again, Disney doesn't need to learn their lesson when people will come and pay just for the memberberries.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Random tangent but I recently watched the Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers movie last night because I was looking forward to how bad it was. I was disappointed because it was just mediocre. The one thing that stuck out to me was how people are reacting to it online. The movie reminded me of TFA and TLJ in that aspect.

Disney made another badly written cynical piece of nostalgia bait full of references to things and people ate it the fuck up. It's just like I said a few posts ago, people just want to clap at things they recognize. When people talk about the movie they don't really bring up the story or the characters, just the references and jokes. Just like how people who like Disney Wars like it for the references no matter how badly written it is. Disney has not learned anything from their ownership of Lucasfilm and Star Wars at all. But at the same time, why would they? The only real film flop they had was Soylo. TROS capped off the ultimate piece of shit movie trilogy and it still made a billion. Sure Kennedyfilm is a separate studio but my point still stands.

Kenobi is unfortunately going to succeed just because of this. The memberberries are too strong even if everything else is low quality.

Just look at the comments on the Kenobi trailers: now that Disney is embracing the prequels everyone suddenly remembers that the prequels were good and OMG DUEL OF THE FATES OMG HAYDEN OMG I'M DYING SOBBING CUMMING!!!!111!!

The Tree of Life was really the Tree of Souls and there are only a finite amount of souls and now that we are overpopulated most of the Earth is inhabited by soulless NPCs. This is my new philosophy because it can only be true.

But what I wanted to say was all this clapping reminds me of Leia in the LOTF books. There's a part where she's running from some assassins or something and she hides in a diner where she pretends to be a waitress and spends several pages waiting on strangers even though they all know she's a princess, and when she finishes her shift they all applaud her for being so real and independent. It was a very stunning and brave scene.

 

[Sneed F91]

Just look at the comments on the Kenobi trailers: now that Disney is embracing the prequels everyone suddenly remembers that the prequels were good and OMG DUEL OF THE FATES OMG HAYDEN OMG I'M DYING SOBBING CUMMING!!!!111!!

It feels like we live in bizarro world. It's like the fanbase just collectively forgot the years 1999 to 2017 even happened. Like they didn't reach peak "Fuck George Lucas and Fuck the Prequels" before The Force Awakens came out and weren't masturbating to how amazing "Star Wars was now without him" after TFA but before TLJ.

But what I wanted to say was all this clapping reminds me of Leia in the LOTF books. There's a part where she's running from some assassins or something and she hides in a diner where she pretends to be a waitress and spends several pages waiting on strangers even though they all know she's a princess, and when she finishes her shift they all applaud her for being so real and independent. It was a very stunning and brave scene.

Sounds like "and then everyone clapped" but with Star Wars

I feel like part of the point of the Jabba sequence is giving Luke the chance to show off his training as a full jedi knight.

Sounds nice but I'd rather watch Luke be a pathetic old fag who doesn't use the force to prove a point to audiences irl...or something.

People who don't have a problem with how Luke is handled in the DT never liked him in the first place. Simple as. There's a difference between internal consistency and mindless fanservice like BOBF for example.

 

[Creep3r]

Random tangent but I recently watched the Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers movie last night because I was looking forward to how bad it was. I was disappointed because it was just mediocre. The one thing that stuck out to me was how people are reacting to it online. The movie reminded me of TFA and TLJ in that aspect.

Disney made another badly written cynical piece of nostalgia bait full of references to things and people ate it the fuck up. It's just like I said a few posts ago, people just want to clap at things they recognize. When people talk about the movie they don't really bring up the story or the characters, just the references and jokes. Just like how people who like Disney Wars like it for the references no matter how badly written it is. Disney has not learned anything from their ownership of Lucasfilm and Star Wars at all. But at the same time, why would they? The only real film flop they had was Soylo. TROS capped off the ultimate piece of shit movie trilogy and it still made a billion. Sure Kennedyfilm is a separate studio but my point still stands.

Kenobi is unfortunately going to succeed just because of this. The memberberries are too strong even if everything else is low quality.

The movie looks like shit, it sounds like shit, it even smells like shit and its not even an adaptation of the thing its rebooting or even remotely following. Just a shitty parody and pseudo-sequel to Roger Rabbit that's absolutely terrible on all fronts while disgracing everything Richard Williams stood for, yet the moronic consoomer crowd love it to bits because of the plethora of Family Guy-level references rather than because of the actual content. They don't even seem to get that the movie for all its awfulness is ribbing nostalgiafags.

Nostalgia addicts really don't care about quality, all they care about is triggering the right endorphin sequence that will make them think that they're little kids or babies again (most of the responses to the movie I've seen is crap like this "OMG its like I'm 4 years old again! X3"). Its pretty much why Filoni gets a pass for anything no matter how contrived, dull or formulaic it is. They just want to think they're kids again in the 90s or early 2000s regardless if it means willingly eating a spoonful of shit. And the Ugly Sonic jokes ffs.



Also this movie is an example of something I've been dreading would be coming. The 90s were full of awkward 60s and early 70s nostalgiawank reboots and forced or unfaithful sequels (like the Brady Bunch movie, new Fantasy Island, Green Acres movie, Car 54, Wild Wild West etc), the 2000s was an overload of 70s and early 80s reboot milking (Starsky & Hutch, Fat Albert, Alvin, Knight Rider, Dukes of Hazzard, etc), 2010s were mostly 80s and early 90s (with some 70s) milking, now the 2020s are looking to be nothing but endless 90s and early 2000s milking and reboots. Holy fuck next up is the plethora of new Shrek sequels and Thrawn milking.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Thrawn milking.

Well, that'd be one way to get blue "milk".

 

[Screamer]

On the best Star Wars film, it is ANH. There is nothing else in ESB or ROTJ that matches the beauty of Luke looking into the sunsets. There's a quality to the filmmaking which is not in the other OT films.