General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

I also said coward don't forget,
Yes, that's one of the retarded premises I was talking about. Because I don't do what you demand, you believe you can unilaterally declare me a coward. Because I don't pl to meet your requirements, you call me a coward. Like I said, retarded premises. Get bent.
 
the least you can do is peak friends and family privately.
This is what I'm doing.
Not speaking up about troons isn't cowardice, it's a legitimate concern for one's safety and wellbeing.
Agreed.
And really, this is how it is with every trans issue. There's no metric by which a troon matches up stronger with a pile of horse shit that you couldn't equally say about incels. But incels don't get all these societal asspats. So what's the point?
FTFY

It should also be noted that many of those opposing the current transgender movement are HSTS who transitioned many years ago and of whom in general have less connection to internet culture and fetishistic media depictions of women in general: those who experienced real discrimination against them for simply committing the 'crime' of existing.

It's also worth noting that the TRAs will also go out of their way to deadname and push aside such people as if they were subhuman in the name of "trans rights", while also claiming everything is trans for ridiculous reasons*. The fact that the very people who fought for respect in a civil manner and didn't delude themselves far out of the reality zone are now being pushed aside (one amusing paradox as a result was where a transgender MtF was charged with a hate crime against... transgender people) is so disrespectful and stats have shown nothing but further disdain since 2016 for transgender individuals - a similar pattern happens with other LGBT+ people because they intoxicate the rest of it and pull them into it or else ostracise them from that.
 
It should also be noted that many of those opposing the current transgender movement are HSTS who transitioned many years ago and of whom in general have less connection to internet culture and fetishistic media depictions of women in general: those who experienced real discrimination against them for simply committing the 'crime' of existing.

It's also worth noting that the TRAs will also go out of their way to deadname and push aside such people as if they were subhuman in the name of "trans rights", while also claiming everything is trans for ridiculous reasons*. The fact that the very people who fought for respect in a civil manner and didn't delude themselves far out of the reality zone are now being pushed aside (one amusing paradox as a result was where a transgender MtF was charged with a hate crime against... transgender people) is so disrespectful and stats have shown nothing but further disdain since 2016 for transgender individuals - a similar pattern happens with other LGBT+ people because they intoxicate the rest of it and pull them into it or else ostracise them from that.
Oh totally. They fucking hate Miranda Yardley and similar types.

Corinna Cohn is good people too.

Trannies are some of the worst damaged by the transgender movement. Some groups of people can't be trusted to hold up their own mirror.
 
Oh totally. They fucking hate Miranda Yardley and similar types.
Blaire White is incredibly based. Her video on Yaniv is great.
Trannies are some of the worst damaged by the transgender movement.
In order of the people the transgender movement damages by most to least affected, IMO:

-Preteen girls
-Teenage girls, lesbian women, and teenage/preteen boys
-Bisexual and straight women and detrans MTF
-HSTS MTF/FTM and detrans FTM
-Intersex and any American Indian tribes that had a "two-spirit" system
-East Asian women (not Southeast Asian); and South Korean men
-Gay men
-Bisexual men
-Straight men

The more socially isolated/nerdy/degenerate the person is, the more likely they're to become an ally, regardless of whether they are AGP/AAP or not, due to an overlap in interests.

Hell, I'd argue it even damages incels by encouraging them to transition as a 'way out', as an 'advertisement for getting a girlfriend'. I don't even want to seem like I'm defending normal incels but making them even worse than they are already is definitely not a good thing.
 
Blaire White is incredibly based. Her video on Yaniv is great.

In order of the people the transgender movement damages by most to least affected, IMO:

-Preteen girls
-Teenage girls, lesbian women, and teenage/preteen boys
-Bisexual and straight women and detrans MTF
-HSTS MTF/FTM and detrans FTM
-Intersex and any American Indian tribes that had a "two-spirit" system
-East Asian women (not Southeast Asian); and South Korean men
-Gay men
-Bisexual men
-Straight men

The more socially isolated/nerdy/degenerate the person is, the more likely they're to become an ally, regardless of whether they are AGP/AAP or not, due to an overlap in interests.

Hell, I'd argue it even damages incels by encouraging them to transition as a 'way out', as an 'advertisement for getting a girlfriend'. I don't even want to seem like I'm defending normal incels but making them even worse than they are already is definitely not a good thing.
That's the thing, it's somewhat of a "harm mitigation" thing. Like yeah, incels are shitheads. But y'know what's worse? Incels with permanent, drug/surgery induced sexual frustration that they can never relieve because society groomed them into chopping their dicks off.

When you observe some of the seething hatred some troons have towards women, it's pretty obvious where it comes from, at least in part.
 
Incels with permanent, drug/surgery induced sexual frustration that they can never relieve because society groomed them into chopping their dicks off.
Might want to alter that because most keep the dick and get off to the bulge.
 
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I’ll admit, Trans culture and it’s people are far more insane than I’d ever thought to be. It’s such a shame that a community in theory that could be relatively sane and grounded has such a wide variety of sexual deviancy,
Trans people tend to have obsessive disorders and other personality problems, which lends itself to them seeming to attach any additional number of extra "categorizers", politics, flavors to their identity, etc. The autism really doesn't help, though I think its more than just autism (since you do have people like Blaire White) and general obsessive disorders, like getting fixated on being another sex, is the big one.

Even then, youre right. Trans culture is far more insane that I thought it to be initially, because theres a lot thats feeding the people within it to be even more insane than they should be with constant validation loops.
Perverted narcissists and full on antisocial psychopaths in some cases.
It doesn't help that, when people tell trans communities that they needed to gatekeep (the narcissists, psychopaths, and literal sex pests and fiends) the trans community throws a fit every time and tries to cover wrong doing up.

Seriously, its like looking at the Catholic Church pedophile coverups all over again. Troon rapes someone in a bathroom? a) Its not real, bigot. b) the alt right will use this in their propaganda, find some way to blame the victim, c) don't care, dont spread this, etc.

And then, its "hecking trans rapists are valid too, they can transition in prison!"

If you're wondering why average people get pissed off at troons, its things like this.
While I still do agree that the concept of gender itself Is artificial. These traits that’s define as masculine and feminine are entirely based on pre conceived social concepts that we’ve associated with genders throughout the centuries.
This is a more debatable point. The best way to describe gender is that gender is the social aspects associated with sex. A lot of that is a construct, but not all of that is. We're getting into nature vs nurture (the debatable part), but at least some level of gender is rooted in biology as well. For example, there is the notion that men tend to be more assertive and can be more aggressive. Its not universal, and you can have that in women, but some level of your biology will influence the social aspects of your personality as well.

Here's the amusing part, the cognitive dissonance. Troons will ignore and pretend that this isn't real, but then, as soon as they start taking estrogen, larp on about how their mood has changed, personality has shifted, theyre so much more kind and gentle now, they have lower aggression because lower T, etc.

Even past that, whether you think its nature or nurture, if youre "nurtured" to be more submissive for your entire life, and suddenly want to be enby or a transman, that doesn't disappear. Its part of why when people say that male socialized transwomen are not women, theyre not- they were never socialized in the same way and never will be.
Despite all the endless complaints, analysis’s, rants and many, many memes, not a single person here to my knowledge has ever gone out of their way to make a stand and actually do something about this huge community they claim to show such disdain for.
Don't assume this, because power levelling here is not a thing, and even then- if you look at the peak trans thread, any number of people have gone out of their way to make a stand or have been personally impacted by this.

The rest of this is just "why don't you people do something". Knowing how many users cross-post on in these threads or other terfy sites, its pretty safe to assume that people do things.

Even then, you act out (its very common, like when there was a campaign to protect female only rape centers in Vancouver from being shutdown over not allowing biomales) and you get vitrol and hate.
I’m being serious, literally go up to a trans person or group next time you see them and are pushing their ideas or trying to convert you and flat out tell them point blank their being shitheads or that you think them and their entire ideologies are idiotic, delusional or flat out wrong. It seems like something many here are really itching to do but haven't for whatever reason which I don’t understand.
Read the peak trans thread.
They probably have the second highest amount of hatred given to them as a group second to only literal pedophiles
Thats probably because of the zero gatekeeping thing and they have actual pedophiles in their ranks, like Aimee Challenor, who they choose to defend and die on that hill for.
You can make the very best arguments in the world for why you hate this Social movement, but if all your doing is expressing it through a keyboard and on a forum, It ultimately does not matter.
Again, just because people aren't power leveling and posting about their own personal involvement or personal campaigns they support, doesn't mean that they aren't doing these things.
 
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@Marvin I am Sorry for your losses, I understand it is certainly far more difficult than I anticipated to combat these groups of people since they are formed in huge groups.
 
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What pisses me off is that most trans/queer people nowadays don’t seem genuine. They’re just doing it because it’s trendy and in the name of muh diversity. Demi Lovato and Sam Smith are perfect examples. And all the weirdos that Libs of TikTok exposes. Not to mention the Chris Chans and Yanivs that only claim to be trans so it can be easier for them to fuck the opposite sex. This is why we’re seeing the number of people identifying as LGBT go up.

Those that genuinely feel like they were born in the wrong body seem to be hard to come by and are overshadowed by the transtrenders. Like Blaire White is genuine. Caitlyn Jenner is genuine. Any trans person that transitioned before the age of the Internet is likely genuine.

This seemed like the perfect place to vent about this.
 
Yes, that's one of the retarded premises I was talking about. Because I don't do what you demand, you believe you can unilaterally declare me a coward. Because I don't pl to meet your requirements, you call me a coward. Like I said, retarded premises. Get bent.
Late but I am sorry, I didn’t mean you In particular, I just felt that since so many people have voiced almost every single criticism they have with The transgender communities I found it surprising how almost no one had actually gone out of there way to try and solve this issue. You are not a coward of course for not doing what I say, but I still Just find some of complaints obsolete if your aren’t voicing this out in public and trying to lean society to more conservative viewpoints about trans in general. Even if it’s still dangerous, like Marvin said we should still be brave and risk it, more teens and other vulnerable people will be at risk if their influence continues to grow at this rate. Sometimes people have to step forward and be the one to have the unpopular opinion, otherwise who else will do it??

It’s like the old Lorax saying, ´Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better, it’s not’ Very basic and trite, but couldn’t be more true in this situation than any other.
 
>What is a woman-
Women are non sterile baby producers. Can't have babies? Then you aren't a woman and shouldn't talk about their reproductive rights.
There, I just solved abortion and trans shit in one fell swoop. Everything else is male. There, problem solved.
 
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>What is a woman-
Women are non sterile baby producers. Can't have babies? Then you aren't a woman and shouldn't talk about their reproductive rights.
There, I just solved abortion and trans shit in one fell swoop. Everything else is male. There, problem solved.
>barren women, menopausal women, and prepubescent girls are actually men
 
Late but I am sorry, I didn’t mean you In particular, I just felt that since so many people have voiced almost every single criticism they have with The transgender communities I found it surprising how almost no one had actually gone out of there way to try and solve this issue. You are not a coward of course for not doing what I say, but I still Just find some of complaints obsolete if your aren’t voicing this out in public and trying to lean society to more conservative viewpoints about trans in general. Even if it’s still dangerous, like Marvin said we should still be brave and risk it, more teens and other vulnerable people will be at risk if their influence continues to grow at this rate. Sometimes people have to step forward and be the one to have the unpopular opinion, otherwise who else will do it??

It’s like the old Lorax saying, ´Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better, it’s not’ Very basic and trite, but couldn’t be more true in this situation than any other.
Don't assume that people arent because theyre not power leveling here constantly about it.
 
Genuine question, have you ever heard of a single gen-zer say "I like to cross-dress"? Is that even a concept that exists? Has that entire fetish been replaced with people claiming it as identity? I don't have the numbers but I imagine cross-dressing was a not-uncommon kink in past decades, where has it gone? Is it just impossible for this generation to compartmentalize their sex lives from their identity? I'm personally really accepting to people's kinks if they understand that's what they are. Why can't they find someone into the same stuff, nut really hard over it in private, and then move on with their 'real' life?
 
The exhausting part of all this, and I mean makes me feel actually tired, is the abuse of language. You must believe a thing and its opposite depending on the context. We're trying to describe to describe ectopic pregnancies and use words like "woman" and "female?" Well, there's no such thing as a biologically female body. There's nothing about being a woman that has anything to do with your body. But a troon is having an emotional meltdown about his massive skull, broad shoulders, narrow hips, and big hands? Well, lo and behold, suddenly, the language has done a 180, and all those biological traits are feminine again! Fancy that! Amazing!
 
To go off at a complete tangent (or not?), I've seen something called pronouns.page mentioned here and there from time to time. The pronoun game is often a gateway to the whole mess, so I thought I'd have a quick dive into it.

Ever heard scientologists talking to one another? It's like that, but even sillier.

Picking a couple of entries at random:

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This is how twisted up they are. Heterosexual attraction can now be "gay" if you apply the right incantations, and they openly, if not in so many words, acknowledge the fetishistic nature of this entire gender movement.

They have a "gender" for every slight change of mood you can think of, complete with a unique splash of colourful stripes. There are autistic levels of definition for relationships between each of these "gender" moods, also sometimes with flags, three categories of orientation, and two pages of definitions of "prejudice".

They list "gaydar" and "passing" as prejudiced words.

Lots of sharp-sounding portmanteaus, new coinages, crosslinks. A whole collective jargon that, as far as I can see, is constantly updated in a way that requires constant refreshing of definitions in order to maintain position within the trans subculture. Users can even upload their own flags and genders to the profiles they create there.

I've said before, it's a cult, but in my mind, this pretty much solidifies how much of a cult it really is.
 
My love towards MtF trans "women" is immeasurable.
I am absolutely happy that they had infected every nerd hobby that I was part of in last decade that wasn't completely obscure.
I love that they enjoy online spaces, communities and hobbies like everyone else and don't ruin entire projects, communities and hobbies with their rampant unrivaled need for attention, need for control and petty pointless drama that substitutes for their damaged irl relations instead.
Any animosity that I may have towards them is only because of my unreasonable homophobia and not because I have yet to meet one that isn't disgusting bag of fetishes that went out of hand and untreated (and encouraged) mental and emotional issues as well as amalgamation of worst stereotypes about men and women given human form.

And, above all, it doesn't make me want to post edgy shit when I see how many of them have gall to post radfem shit in the vein of "kill all men!" or ramble about killing "incels" despite most of their own terminally online lives revolving around hanging out in (or rather, haunting) majorly male gaming hobbies, not to mention the glaring fact of their own biological sex. Like how about you start with yourself nigga?
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