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Now that the dust has begun to settle after the inital explosive news that the US supreme court is poised to overrule the right to abortion and that Justice Samuel Alito’s draft opinion in Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization represents what a majority of the court initially voted to do, among the most revealing ways to understand the devastation the court appears ready to wreak on America’s long march toward “liberty and justice for all” is to examine the kinds of arguments being made in the opinion’s defense.

The argument that such a ruling would simply return a divisive issue to the people had long since been widely dismantled. It certainly wouldn’t be returned to the people most profoundly affected once women were told they may have to remain pregnant despite whatever urgent reasons they might have for seeking a safe and legal abortion. It couldn’t be described as returning the abortion issue to the states, now that the possibility of a nationwide ban that the supreme court might uphold is on the horizon. And to the extent the issue is returned to the states, it would be returned to state legislatures so gerrymandered that they often represent the views of a distinct minority of the people anyway.

The argument that “only” abortion is involved because Alito’s draft assures readers that the supreme court’s opinion won’t be treated as precedent for anything that doesn’t involve killing an unborn human is both profoundly insulting and manifestly misleading. It insults every sentient person by minimizing the significance of commandeering the bodies and lives of half the population – and re-inserting government power into every family. And it misleads every reader of Alito’s words by suggesting that a court has the power to shape how future lawmakers and judges will build on its decisions and the reasoning underlying them. Alito’s hollow promise brings to mind similar assurances in notorious cases like Bush v Gore, is inconsistent with how the judicial process works, and wouldn’t offer any solace to anyone who might become pregnant or whose miscarriage might be treated as a crime scene for police to investigate.

The foolishness of the argument that there’s nothing to see here other than the future of abortion law is underscored by some of what is said in its support. We’re told not to worry about the future of decisions like Loving v Virginia, ensuring the right to marry someone of a different race than your own because, after all, Justice Clarence Thomas is in an interracial marriage. We’re told not to worry about the right to same-sex marriage because, after all, Justice Brett Kavanaugh would never vote to overturn Obergefell v Hodges, the most iconic opinion written by his proud mentor, Anthony Kennedy – the man who left the court only after he had hand-picked Kavanaugh as his successor. We’re told not to worry about contraception (despite the way quite a few people view Plan B or IUDs as forms of abortion) because even supreme court nominees like Amy Coney Barrett, who were cagey about just how “settled” a precedent they deemed Roe v Wade, said they couldn’t imagine anybody today challenging Griswold v Connecticut. All that prognostication is cold comfort to the millions of people whose lives are profoundly affected by these shaky predictions.

The most substantial argument is one that is equally fallacious but more sophisticated and in some ways more devious and dangerous: it is the argument that supreme court reversals of precedent, like the reversal of Plessy v Ferguson by Brown v Board of Education, are often to be welcomed as needed course corrections, and that this “course correction” wouldn’t be the first time the supreme court has rolled back decades-old constitutional rights. The many commentators who persisted in describing Alito’s draft in those terms – as an unprecedented retreat in the arc of ever-expanding rights – have recently been denounced as either inexcusably ignorant or deliberately duplicitous by distinguished scholars like Yale’s Akhil Amar, who says that every first-year law student learns that the very same thing happened during FDR’s second term as president, when the supreme court in 1937 in West Coast Hotel v Parrish overturned a long line of decisions that had blocked minimum wage and maximum hours and other worker-protection laws in the name of employers’ rights of “private property” and the “liberty of contract”. To be sure, Amar’s argument echoes that of the Alito draft, which cites Parrish and says, in effect, “nothing to see here, we did the same thing before” when we rolled back the liberty of contract line of decisions in 1937.

Justice Alito and Professor Amar are simply wrong: profoundly so. That so-called (and quite misleadingly labeled) “switch in time that saved the nine” was nothing like the switch that Dobbs would represent. The 1937 “switch” was no sudden politically driven turnabout but was in fact the culmination of long-simmering movements in legal and economic thought – movements that were reflected both in scholarship and in judicial opinions from the earliest days of the 20th century in places like Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes’ dissent in Lochner v New York insisting that “the 14th amendment does not enact Mr Herbert Spencer’s social statics,” movements that represented the growing conviction that the “freedom” to work at low wages and in miserable conditions was an illusion lacking both moral and legal foundations and one that simply helped perpetuate economic inequality and the exploitation of relatively powerless, not-yet-unionized workers by wealthy and powerful corporations.

Indeed, it is noteworthy that West Coast Hotel v Parrishthe 29 March 1937 decision that is usually marked as the pivot point in the great constitutional upheaval – was handed down by precisely the same set of nine justices as the nine who had rendered a decision pointing in the opposite direction less than a year earlier, on 1 June 1936, in Morehead v New York ex rel Tipaldo. One justice of the nine, a moderate Republican named Owen J Roberts, who had been rethinking his position on the underlying legal theories, had foreshadowed his shifting views by writing a landmark opinion upholding milk price regulation, Nebbia v New York, by a 5-4 vote in 1934 – less than two months after the court had upheld a state mortgage moratorium law by a 5-4 vote in Home Building & Loan Ass’n v Blaisdell, a decision clearly foreshadowing the 1937 repudiation of Lochner’s legacy by reconceiving the meaning of the constitution’s clause forbidding all state impairments of the obligation of contracts.

That history is important to keep in mind if one is to understand the depth of the error made by those who seek to compare the 2022 tsunami that Dobbs would represent with the gradual shift in current represented by the 1937 movement away from liberty of contract to protection of workers and consumers. The head-spinning and altogether untimely switch in the supreme court’s abortion jurisprudence that Dobbs would represent – if the decision the court announces late this June or early July is in substance what the leaked Alito draft indicated it would be – will reflect not the steady maturation of a long-developing jurisprudential movement but the crude payoff to a partisan political program to take over the federal judiciary, one beginning with Ronald Reagan’s presidency and the rise of the Federalist Society, and advancing with supreme court appointments made by Republican presidents all of whom lost the popular vote (George W Bush, appointing Justice Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts; Donald J Trump, appointing Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett), and made in circumstances of dubious legitimacy.

Professor Amar treats as laughably naïve the observation by ACLU national legal director and Georgetown law professor David Cole that, although “Parrish took away some rights of business owners … its real effect was to expand rights protections for millions of Americans subject to exploitation by powerful corporations.” Amar’s rebuttal? He says, and I’m serious here, that it’d be equally legitimate to say that “Dobbs’ real effect would be to expand rights protection for millions of innocent, unborn Americans … unborn humans, subject to extermination by society.”
It’s hard to know where to begin in unraveling that alleged parallel. Suffice it to note that the status as rights-bearing persons of embryos and fetuses remains a matter of profound sectarian controversy in America and throughout the world while no such controversy attends the status as rights-bearing persons of the array of workers whose rights, at least under laws designed to limit economic exploitation if not directly under the constitution itself, were indisputably expanded by virtue of the Parrish decision and the overturning of the Lochner line of cases.

Perhaps no less important is the indisputable fact that, although there remain a few commentators who continue to think that Lochner was rightly decided and Parrish was wrong, there is a nearly universal consensus, certainly covering the ideological spectrum on the current supreme court, that the “rights” protected by Lochner and the other decisions that Parrish tossed into the dustbin of history were not constitutionally sacrosanct, and that inequalities of bargaining power prevented the common-law baseline that Lochner treated as immune to legislative modification from having any special constitutional status. At the same time, the notions of personal autonomy and bodily integrity that provide the constitutional foundation for the substantive “liberty” at stake in cases like Roe and Casey are almost universally accepted as real, although deep disagreements remain about whether, to what degree, and from what point in fetal development the protection of the unborn fetus can properly trump that liberty.

The upshot is that the radical change in law and society that Dobbs would represent truly has no parallel in the history of the supreme court or in the history of the United States. As David Cole writes, the “proper analogy is not Brown overruling Plessy, but a decision reviving Plessy, reversing Brown, and relegating Black people to enforced segregation after nearly 70 years of equal protection.” For, as Jamelle Bouie rightly observed, “equal standing is undermined and eroded when the state can effectively seize your person for its own ends – that is, when it can force you to give birth.” Whether or not one compares that compulsion and forced labor to literal enslavement, as I did in my 1973 article on Roe v Wade, attempts to minimize the huge retrogression this would represent must be dismissed as little more than shameful efforts to camouflage the carnage the supreme court of the United States is about to unleash both on its own legitimacy and, even more important, on the people in whose name it wields the power of judicial review.
  • Laurence H Tribe is the Carl M Loeb University Professor of Constitutional Law Emeritus at Harvard University, the author of numerous books and articles, a distinguished supreme court advocate, and holder of 11 honorary degrees

Literally half this article has nothing to do with Dobbs or Roe.

"If the law's on your side, argue the law. If the facts are on your side, argue the facts. If neither are on your side, throw an autistic shitfit".
 
Homie have you not seen the many times I've talked about being a lesbian with an IUD

Btw I think it was something like half of all abortions are due to birth control failure.
Birth control failure = failed to use birth control

The Constitution says nothing about protecting retarded women (or men) from themselves, that's why group homes with tard wranglers exist. You are making the case women are so retarded they can't be trusted to take one pill every day, or use a diaphragm/condom/foam or just say "I'm not a ho bye" so they need to be micromanaged, either by having the results of their unprotected sex vacuumed out, or be kept from whoring themselves out by their menfolk. Kill yourself.
 
Here is my theory about why this is happening.
The right to medical privacy needs to go, or else the full surveillance medical tyranny thing they tried with covid won’t work. So RvW will go. And with it that precedent on medical privacy, vereeery quietly. There will be uproar, riots and what have you and the the court will declare oopsie yeah and make abortion very firmly legal with another case. While the privacy thing is still gone.
Result; pesky medical privacy stuff weakens, abortion remains legal.
I’m reasonably sure HIPAA is an entirely seperate thing.
 
I don't understand Amerifat women and their weird fetish of killing their own offspring, wouldn't it be easier to just stop being a whore and close their legs or use birth control? done, problem solved.
Most women who get abortions are normies in committed, monogamous relationships and roughly half were using at least one form of birth control when they got pregnant

Even if that weren't the case, if a woman is too irresponsible to use birth control, how the fuck is she responsible enough to care for a damn kid?
 
Here is my theory about why this is happening.
The right to medical privacy needs to go, or else the full surveillance medical tyranny thing they tried with covid won’t work. So RvW will go. And with it that precedent on medical privacy, vereeery quietly. There will be uproar, riots and what have you and the the court will declare oopsie yeah and make abortion very firmly legal with another case. While the privacy thing is still gone.
Result; pesky medical privacy stuff weakens, abortion remains legal.
I have no idea how the right to medical privacy is connected to the fourteenth amendment either.

Roe vs. Wade just sucks - Ruth Bader Ginsberg believed the ruling sucked and would eventually get tossed out.
 
Birth control failure = failed to use birth control

The Constitution says nothing about protecting retarded women (or men) from themselves, that's why group homes with tard wranglers exist. You are making the case women are so retarded they can't be trusted to take one pill every day, or use a diaphragm/condom/foam or just say "I'm not a ho bye" so they need to be micromanaged, either by having the results of their unprotected sex vacuumed out, or be kept from whoring themselves out by their menfolk. Kill yourself.
So these retarded women should be given kids to take care of instead?
 
I have no idea how the right to medical privacy is connected to the fourteenth amendment either.

Roe vs. Wade just sucks - Ruth Bader Ginsberg believed the ruling sucked and would eventually get tossed out.
it's even better than that when you realize that the Obama admin and their dicksuckers were so goddamn arrogant and complacent they took no steps to ensure anything in the event that RBG wouldn't be around anymore and RvW would be revisited in an unfavorable fashion.

You made your bed. Get fucked in it. Ain't that right, Randwhale?
 
So these retarded women should be given kids to take care of instead?
Are you asking me what I think we should do about tarded hoes who can't stop fucking without bc?
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Most women who get abortions are normies in committed, monogamous relationships and roughly half were using at least one form of birth control when they got pregnant

Even if that weren't the case, if a woman is too irresponsible to use birth control, how the fuck is she responsible enough to care for a damn kid?
This is the problem here. If your cat gets pregnant you can't just put the kittens in a pillowcase and throw them in a river or smash them with your car. That is called animal abuse and people are prosecuted for it. Yet when it comes to humans that is the accepted solution. Either you take precautions or take responsibility for what you did. Be that stepping up as a mother or adopting.
 
It might make live hard for a certain class of DGAF thots and simps. Abortion, the killing of unborn babies, underpins degeneracy among women and the simps of promiscuous women. Taking responsibility is hate think. At least the text is free of the errors and typos found in the pages of the tax evading Grauniad (a nickname for the howlers easily found in this publication whose owner the Scott Trust pays very little tax but wants every who wants hard to pay lots of tax). Even it there's no howlers, that 'professor' has shit reasoning. End Roe v Wade and segregation could be restored seems to be the argument. Anyhow it's a Br*tbong rag so doesn't matter much and the only Americans reading it will be soy and tofu filled.
 
This is the problem here. If your cat gets pregnant you can't just put the kittens in a pillowcase and throw them in a river or smash them with your car. That is called animal abuse and people are prosecuted for it. Yet when it comes to humans that is the accepted solution. Either you take precautions or take responsibility for what you did. Be that stepping up as a mother or adopting.
No but you can get pregnant cat spayed, which is effectively an abortion since it kills the kitten fetuses. I've helped do that very thing, by helping get some of the strays at my complex fixed. Better than bringing even more unwanted kittens into the world that are likely just going to suffer.

Having an abortion is a way to take responsibility. Sometimes it's the most responsible choice of all.
 
At least the text is free of the errors and typos found in the pages of the tax evading Grauniad (a nickname for the howlers easily found in this publication whose owner the Scott Trust pays very little tax but wants every who wants hard to pay lots of tax). Even it there's no howlers, that 'professor' has shit reasoning. End Roe v Wade and segregation could be restored seems to be the argument. Anyhow it's a Br*tbong rag so doesn't matter much and the only Americans reading it will be soy and tofu filled.
Ah, you don't know who Laurence Tribe is, a long time Democratic favorite and super liberal constitutional law professor who has been named as a possible SCOTUS appointee whenever a Democrat gets a crack at the Court, but he's not in the running since he's not a wahmen, troon, nigger, fat spic, LGBTBBQ2S wacko or a retarded faggot with AIDS. Everyone ignores him except his simps.
No but you can get pregnant cat spayed, which is effectively an abortion since it kills the kitten fetuses. I've helped do that very thing, by helping get some of the strays at my complex fixed. Better than bringing even more unwanted kittens into the world that are likely just going to suffer.

Having an abortion is a way to take responsibility. Sometimes it's the most responsible choice of all.
This is your argument: "We do it to cats so we should do it to people too because its a good thing".

People are not cats, who go into estrus and have no control. Are you saying women are in perpetual estrus and thus have no control over their actions? This is the most regressive and retarded excuse for being pro abortion and you are demeaning and degrading women's agency. Tomcats force themselves on female cats in estrus, often several tomcats do as well. There is no "consent". Are serial incel rapists entitled to use the excuse "Tomcats do it so its the right thing to do"? Shut up, you are making all women and lesbians look ridiculous.
 
This is your argument: "We do it to cats so we should do it to people too because its a good thing".

People are not cats, who go into estrus and have no control. Are you saying women are in perpetual estrus and thus have no control over their actions? This is the most regressive and retarded excuse for being pro abortion and you are demeaning and degrading women's agency. Tomcats force themselves on female cats in estrus, often several tomcats do as well. There is no "consent". Are serial incel rapists entitled to use the excuse "Tomcats do it so its the right thing to do"? Shut up, you are making all women and lesbians look ridiculous.
I wasn't the one who brought up the cat comparison tho I appreciate this schizopost regardless
 
I wasn't the one who brought up the cat comparison tho I appreciate this schizopost regardless
Yet you went out of your way to discuss it. I merely pointed out your idiotic logic when you compared spaying a pregnant cat to aborting human fetuses as equivalent. Even someone like Tribe doesn't go there because its absolutely retarded.
 
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