Crime Gunman at a Texas elementary school kills 19 students and two adults before being fatally shot, officials say - yeehaw

(CNN)A suspect is in custody after a shooting incident at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, left at least two dead and injured 14 people, including students, authorities said.

The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District (UCISD) posted about an "active shooter" at Robb Elementary at 12:17 p.m. local time and said law enforcement was on site.

The suspect was taken into custody as of 1:06 p.m. local time, according to the Uvalde Police Department.
Two have died after the shooting at Robb Elementary School, a spokesperson from Uvalde Memorial Hospital told CNN.

The hospital received 13 children at their facility who were being treated for varying injuries, he said. Two children were transported to San Antonio and another is pending transfer, Tom Nordwick said.

Additionally, two patients were dead on arrival, he said. Nordwick was not sure of the ages of the two deceased. A man in his 40s was also being treated there, he said.

Nordwick did not have conditions on any of the victims.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 
Yea, the fact he's Latin stalled my thinking briefly, but another white weird loner like "Adam Lanza" might have been too on the nose?
The more on the nose the better for the powers that be. Biden and his admin are trying to paint straight young white men as ticking time bombs of radicalism and terrorism. They got what they mostly want with Buffalo, but if they really wanted to send their message home and have free reign to pass more oppressive legislation they needed another white weird loner terror attack. The Latinx gender bender committing a greater tragedy than Buffalo puts a damper on that message.

I just find it weird at this point how little we've got (us on here esp, never mind media)... this faggot was 18 - typically we should have had multiple Social Media, Insta, TikTok, etc of someone at this age who typically lives online.
That doesn't seem unusual, especially for introverted loners. I spend a lot of time online, but I never use mainstream social media, just private chat groups, imageboards, and forums like Kiwifarms. He is probably deep into discord or something.

We've got fuck all, and that's weird. I'm so far, not seeing any crime scene images either.
Again, not surprised. Schools are government buildings so all security footage went directly to the police. Also, they are kids so I doubt they would have cell phones out and recording their final moments.

I'm not seeing footage of kids being loaded into ambulances. I'm not seeing distraught first hand witnesses. I'm not seeing wailing, utterly distraught parents at the scene, etc, etc.
A bunch of kids just died. It would be a pretty bad look for journalists to be posting grief porn. But that being said after a quick google search I did find a few pics from sky news articles.
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I like conspiracies as much as the next guy, but I am not seeing how this fits into the wider picture. I bet you this will be memory-holed like that Texas church shooting and all the other inconvenient shootings that happen in this nation.
 
As a non American, watching the gun control debate is hilarious and the reason why mass shootings are and will forever be an American staple intrinsic to the American people. Most of the world gets along fine without guns but this small group of Americans will literally die if you consider taking guns away.

Just say you want to be able to shoot your neighbor dead if he pisses you off enough and you're just mad about the debate because it exposes you as no better than the mass shooters themselves.

Please, my neg ratings now...

If you have ever been on /rekt/ threads, you would understand why people own guns, especially when there are some many videos of melanin rich folks trying to steal and kill people in their stores or in the street.

I'm sure many people who own guns also hope they never have to use them. Shooting someone dead will always fuck you up in a way regardless of how justified you were on it.
 
The guns are just the weapon of choice. Would it make any difference if they broke out a chemistry book and made mustard gas? What about a car? What about power tools? A firebomb is one of the easiest weapons to make and always make for popular choices in times of social strife like the Troubles.

The gun is just the most efficient weapon for its intended purpose, remove it and the offender will simply take the next best weapon available. This is why felons drive cars into people or carry pocket knives.
This isn't really, true. just an observation. It is, and it is not. I have lived I several countries and some with gun laws and ownership on-par or exceeding the United States. I also have done a good deal of security work, I have seen gun use, knife use and weapon use up close.

It is very true a person could seek out different weapons, but the majority use of guns as weapons usually is due to the ease of them, and sadly, during a moment of intense struggle or emotion distraught. A person in a bar fight - if he has a gun - is far more likely to use it than to go to a stool, a glass or a knife over the bar counter and to use the gun instead.

It is easy, and you are fairly much guaranteed to win the fight without injury to yourself. Faced with a confrontation with a big guy, a man who has a gun knows he will win. With a knife, glass - or other weapon - the odds are not assured.

I think we all have had moments (road rage is a good example) where fury can take hold. A guy might use a gun during a road rage incident (or his car obviously), but he isn't going to go off to a chemistry basement and make mustard gas. The ease of guns makes it a better choice for causing injury.

I won't debate the constitutional right to have a gun, but their ease and wide spread availability obviously means they will be used more, but more so, their definitive nature means during moments of emotional distress or during a psychotic break they will be used more often, whereas if they were not available, often the person in rage would either calm down, think about it a bit or not go through with it. The use of a gun for mass murder requires cowardice as a pre-requisite. I've no doubt these gunmen who shoot up schools if given the choice, would never step into the ring with the principal and several teachers and kids and have a fist fight or knife fight because that would require courage.

It is true some felons carry knifes, but they are not used too often because once again, it means they are in a fight, and the odds are not assured, so some judgement is needed before losing one's cool. I had 2 felons working for me once that got into a raging argument, both had knifes and had hands on their sides ready, but didn't go at it with the knifes because it would mean a struggle...if one had had a gun, I think it would have been used with some certainty.

We do not see someone rampaging through schools using mustard gas, knifes or other weapons, we see it with guns though, simply due to the nature of a gun being an equalizer and rather definitive in the outcome, easy to get and use.

You really can not look at the USA and simply decide it is not cancerous with the amount of mass shootings that happen here, but I've seen no data which shows the populace of the USA is anymore mentally sick than other countries, but I have seen statistics that indicate the USA has a lot more angry people in it; and certainly I've never lived anywhere that has had so many people that are upset for a variety of reasons. I think it is fair to say guns in the presence of an angered population is a bake with an obvious outcome.
 
If you have ever been on /rekt/ threads, you would understand why people own guns, especially when there are some many videos of melanin rich folks trying to steal and kill people in their stores or in the street.

I'm sure many people who own guns also hope they never have to use them. Shooting someone dead will always fuck you up in a way regardless of how justified you were on it.
Honestly if there was less gun control I'd guess the number of mass shootings would go down. Guns are an equalizer and if you're a psychopath with a gun, if it's possible everyone has a gun your odds of any success go way WAY down.

Wasn't there a potential church shooter in Texas that got instantly obliterated by an attendee headshotting him with a concealed carry?
 
The second amendment isn't about guns at all. It's about ARMS. WEAPONS. It's about equalizing the power balance with government so that CITIZENS don't become SUBJECTS.
Subjects and peasants back to serfdom.

Btw, the guys of American Thinker posted a good rant about how Biden talked of the tragedy.

May 25, 2022

Has there ever been a more cruel, tone-deaf, president?​

By Patricia McCarthy

All that is left of Joe Biden’s never very bright mind is his viciousness.

Biden’s speech after the Buffalo mass shooting was as obscene as his speech in the wake of the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas was last night.

He was barely there; frail and blank, reading the teleprompter with no emotion until he got to blaming guns. Then he yelled with thoroughly phony anger at all Americans who revere the Second Amendment. It never occurs to leftists like Biden that had one or two or three of the staff at the market in Buffalo or the school in Uvalde had been armed and trained, those nineteen children might be alive. Israel figured this out decades ago.

If he ever had a soul, it’s long gone. If he ever had empathy for others, that has never been evident. Joe Biden has always and only cared about Joe Biden. Those who have known him over the years most certainly know this; anyone who has known him well knows he is not a good man, all of which makes the people who installed him in the office of the president as heartless and power mad as he is.

In the fifteen months he has been in office, he has nearly destroyed this nation. In his mindless quest to “transition” away from fossil fuels, he has almost brought the country to a standstill. No baby formula, gas prices nearly double what they were under Trump. Diesel so costly the truckers we all depend on for nearly everything cannot afford to fill their tanks. So market shelves are becoming empty of products we’ve long taken for granted. Almost every move or step Biden has taken seems calculated to do damage to the middle and working classes and to further enrich the already massively wealthy; the Pelosis, McConnells, the Kerrys, the Bezoses etc. Those folks have become astonishingly wealthier due to the pandemic, a government-perpetrated hoax if there ever was one.

And this most terrible president cannot let a tragedy like the massacre in Buffalo and then in Uvalde, Texas, go to political waste.
As a nation, we have to ask: When in God's name are we going to stand up to the gun lobby? When in God's name will we do what we all know in our gut needs to be done?
It's been 3,448 days—10 years since I stood up at a high school in Connecticut—a grade school in Connecticut, where another gunman massacred 26 people, including 20 first graders, at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Since then, there have been over 900 incidents of gunfire reported on school grounds.
Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. Santa Fe High School in Texas. Oxford High School in Michigan. The list goes on and on.
And the list grows when it includes mass shootings at places like movie theaters, houses of worship, and, as we saw just 10 days ago, at a grocery store in Buffalo, New York.
I am sick and tired of it. We have to act. And don't tell me we can't have an impact on this carnage.
Does Biden ever speak worryingly about the hundreds of deaths that occur in Chicago every month? No. Did he spend any time decrying the deaths in Wakausha? Nope. To Biden and his handlers, deaths caused by minorities are justifiable unless their weapons can be blamed rather than the perpetrators themselves. This brings us to the utter inanity of his latest speech.
What in God's name do you need an assault weapon for except to kill someone?
Deer aren't running through the forest with Kevlar vests on, for God's sake. It's just sick.
And the gun manufacturers have spent two decades aggressively marketing assault weapons which make them the most and largest profit.
For God's sake, we have to have the courage to stand up to the industry.
People have an absolute right to defend themselves, by any means necessary. But gun grabbers like our leftists always blame the law-abiding for the bad acts of criminals. Anyone with a modicum of common sense knows the criminals will always find a way to get guns. Common sense dictates that citizens are safer when the bad guys must assume everyone might be armed. Mass shootings do not occur in places where many people may be armed.
 
Honestly if there was less gun control I'd guess the number of mass shootings would go down. Guns are an equalizer and if you're a psychopath with a gun, if it's possible everyone has a gun your odds of any success go way WAY down.

Wasn't there a potential church shooter in Texas that got instantly obliterated by an attendee headshotting him with a concealed carry?
I would think it's a shame that teachers aren't carrying guns so they may be able to protect their students, but we all know what these teachers teach these days. The teachers themselves are just as mentally ill. They'd be just as likely to shoot kids as some random 18 year old street shitter.

Edit: I need proofread more when I rush out posts before work. Auto correct? More like auto co-wrecked.
 
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Wasn't there a potential church shooter in Texas that got instantly obliterated by an attendee headshotting him with a concealed carry?
Yeah and like a half a dozen other church goers were drawing on him too.
 

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The more on the nose the better for the powers that be. Biden and his admin are trying to paint straight young white men as ticking time bombs of radicalism and terrorism. They got what they mostly want with Buffalo, but if they really wanted to send their message home and have free reign to pass more oppressive legislation they needed another white weird loner terror attack. The Latinx gender bender committing a greater tragedy than Buffalo puts a damper on that message.


That doesn't seem unusual, especially for introverted loners. I spend a lot of time online, but I never use mainstream social media, just private chat groups, imageboards, and forums like Kiwifarms. He is probably deep into discord or something.


Again, not surprised. Schools are government buildings so all security footage went directly to the police. Also, they are kids so I doubt they would have cell phones out and recording their final moments.


A bunch of kids just died. It would be a pretty bad look for journalists to be posting grief porn. But that being said after a quick google search I did find a few pics from sky news articles.
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I like conspiracies as much as the next guy, but I am not seeing how this fits into the wider picture. I bet you this will be memory-holed like that Texas church shooting and all the other inconvenient shootings that happen in this nation.

Some reasonable counters there, especially regarding why he might not neccessarily have much of an online traceable presence... but look at this footage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODn3_C5ezsU
Now, I don't know how many kids attended this school, but would you not reasonably expect literally hundreds of concerned parents at the scene and absolutely freaking out as to the status of their kids? Would you not expect every ambulance and other emergency service vehicle for miles around to be there? Instead, there's pockets of people standing around, pockets of police wandering around and talking. All else apart, this is just a weird fucking scene that does not fit the alleged event at all for me.
 
I'm watching re-runs of the live, at the time, on the scene footage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODn3_C5ezsU) and it's just not right. Every emergency vehicle within a 15 mile radius would be at an event like that, especially ambulances and especially with kids as victims. So far, I've seen 1 (ONE) fucking ambulance and a smattering of squad cars. Small groups of police wandering about. Small groups of people standing around, talking. Where's the 100s of panicking, distraught parents and family members of pupils at the location, desperately seeking information about their kids?

Maybe you're right and further footage might arrive, but if this is all we ever get, then I'm declaring shenanigans.
Take your meds, schizo
 

Guy only had an empty plate carrier with no soft or hard inserts.

Which uh does not look good for the police seeing as how they said they could not bring him down due to body armor, and thus sat back and waited for SWAT as he massacred the school
Later reports seemed to indicate that the border patrol agent who shot him went in alone ASAP which would follow the current protocol for active shooters... but who knows. Early reports are never to be trusted with this stuff.
The guns are just the weapon of choice. Would it make any difference if they broke out a chemistry book and made mustard gas? What about a car? What about power tools? A firebomb is one of the easiest weapons to make and always make for popular choices in times of social strife like the Troubles.

The gun is just the most efficient weapon for its intended purpose, remove it and the offender will simply take the next best weapon available. This is why felons drive cars into people or carry pocket knives.
This is precisely the sort of intellectually dishonest argument I was talking about. You want guns. Fine, so do I. Stop pretending like they're irrelevant to the nature of these attacks, particularly those in schools like this one. The very things that make them so useful for self-defense make them useful for these attacks.

It's not a coincidence that "guns are just the weapon of choice." Most of these guys are autistic dimwits, not chemists. The Columbine spazzes meant for their attack to be primarily explosive based but nothing they cooked up worked that day... except the guns. You don't need to be ted kaczynski to use a rifle. That's the whole advantage of them.

"What about a car?"
-Cool... if you're on a street. These guys target schools for a reason. A car does not work well in a school.

"A firebomb is one of the easiest weapons to make and always make for popular choices in times of social strife like the Troubles."
-Limited range and speed unless you happen to trapped in Triangle Shirtwaist Factory. Interior fire suppression systems in modern buildings severely reduce effectiveness. If this were so useful, people would choose it over available guns.

"What about power tools?"
-this is retarded.

"The gun is just the most efficient weapon for its intended purpose, remove it and the offender will simply take the next best weapon available. This is why felons drive cars into people or carry pocket knives."
- you surely don't mind if you have your guns seized because you'll 'simply take the next best weapon available'- right? This is absurd. No one is not or ever has made the argument that people can't be hurt by items other than guns. But that doesn't mean it's not highly relevant to mass-casualty events.

I'm not sure who you think would ever be convinced by this argument other than those who are already dyed-in-the-wool. It is better to be honest and admit that freedom is dangerous instead of being so disingenuous.
 
We don't have melanin gentleman in eastern europe and yet fact that guns are almost unattainable for normal citizen often feels like getting fucked over by goverment, in my town for example recidivists are harrasing random people with illegally obtained handguns on a monthly basis and just beating up practically defenceless people. Few years ago my friend had retard threaten him with gun ON A GAS STATION, some time later the very same guy who was waving gun at gas station beat up some teenager, kid ended up in hospital in critical state and the guy is still walking around town, not sure if he was even arrested. Police is treating calls about stuff like this as if you called about someone taking a piss on the side of a walk.
I don't know how it is in america but something tells me that it would be this but times 10 and racially motivated if muricans wouldn't have guns.
 
It's the same pattern every time dude. It's hyped up until they realize the shooter fails the paper bag test. Come back tomorrow and see if it's still being covered as vigorously.
The shooting is still dominating the NYT homepage, even with the primaries that took place last night. Your conspiracy theory that the shooting would be quickly downplayed because the shooter was nonwhite is incorrect.
 
This is precisely the sort of intellectually dishonest argument I was talking about. You want guns. Fine, so do I. Stop pretending like they're irrelevant to the nature of these attacks, particularly those in schools like this one. The very things that make them so useful for self-defense make them useful for these attacks.
Okay, so? What happens when you get rid of the gun itself? It gets replaced with shit like acid attacks and stabbings. Don't you remember the Lion Under London Bridge incident where three Jihadists tried to stab a whole crowd of people to death in a pub?
It's not a coincidence that "guns are just the weapon of choice." Most of these guys are autistic dimwits, not chemists. The Columbine spazzes meant for their attack to be primarily explosive based but nothing they cooked up worked that day... except the guns. You don't need to be ted kaczynski to use a rifle. That's the whole advantage of them.
You don't need to be Kaczynski to make a bomb either, ISIS passed around recipes and instructions on the internet all the time back when they were still relevant. Many of them were also failures, but attempts were nonetheless made.
"What about a car?"
-Cool... if you're on a street. These guys target schools for a reason. A car does not work well in a school.
The Waukesha Christmas Parade massacre targeted a parade for a reason. What's your point? Van attacks became a thing in the UK due to a lack of firearms. It didn't get rid of the homicidal shit at all.
"A firebomb is one of the easiest weapons to make and always make for popular choices in times of social strife like the Troubles."
-Limited range and speed unless you happen to trapped in Triangle Shirtwaist Factory. Interior fire suppression systems in modern buildings severely reduce effectiveness. If this were so useful, people would choose it over available guns.
It worked plenty during the fiery but mostly peaceful protests. But its overall effectiveness is not the point.
"What about power tools?"
-this is retarded.
Then you don't understand the point, it's not about it's effective utility for the purposes of killing. Obviously a gun would be more efficient, but if you wanted to kill a person and the superior weapons weren't available then it remains an option, doesn't it? It's less practical than a knife, but it remains as much an available avenue as the next tool you could use as a weapon.
"The gun is just the most efficient weapon for its intended purpose, remove it and the offender will simply take the next best weapon available. This is why felons drive cars into people or carry pocket knives."
- you surely don't mind if you have your guns seized because you'll 'simply take the next best weapon available'- right? This is absurd. No one is not or ever has made the argument that people can't be hurt by items other than guns. But that doesn't mean it's not highly relevant to mass-casualty events.
I don't have intentions to go on a killing spree so no, that logic doesn't apply. But it still remains true that criminals will resort to the next best thing if they can't get the ideal weapon. Knife attacks are sky high in the United Kingdom. Gun control isn't homicide control.
I'm not sure who you think would ever be convinced by this argument other than those who are already dyed-in-the-wool. It is better to be honest and admit that freedom is dangerous instead of being so disingenuous.
Convincing or not, it's the simple reality. Making the "dangerous freedom is preferable to safe serfdom" argument is innately philosophical and just yields "so you're just selfish and don't care about people" emotional blackmail. Why would I make the principled argument when the logistical one is less assailable? Philosophical arguments can be rug-pulled by emotional appeals.

At the end of the day, what we're talking about is homicide, regardless of the apparatus which was used to accomplish it. If the gun part is all you care about stopping then you don't really care about the homicide related to it and only the tool itself.

If telling you that banning the tool used to commit homicide doesn't change the homicide itself is an unconvincing argument then the argument is not really about the homicide, is it? After all, it doesn't take a genius, a skilled marksman or licensed motorist to push a sharp piece of metal into your gut, but for some reason the method of murder matters more than the murder itself.

Where does homicide begin, with the tool or the perpetrator?
 

Guy only had an empty plate carrier with no soft or hard inserts.

Which uh does not look good for the police seeing as how they said they could not bring him down due to body armor, and thus sat back and waited for SWAT as he massacred the school
Yeah just like Columbine.
 
This is precisely the sort of intellectually dishonest argument I was talking about. You want guns. Fine, so do I. Stop pretending like they're irrelevant to the nature of these attacks, particularly those in schools like this one. The very things that make them so useful for self-defense make them useful for these attacks.
In today’s climate of retarded partisanship, it‘s not enough to say, “The upsides outweigh the downsides.” It has to be, “There are literally no downsides to what I want and no upsides to what the other side wants.”
 
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