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ForTheHoard said:
500 feet? Try 50, and even that depends on the barrel length. Within about 50 feet, 5.56 will penetrate level III armor as long as the barrel is about 16in or longer. If youre using a 14.5 or 10.5in barrel, it won't penetrate III armor at any distance, including point blank. 5.56 was designed for a 20in barrel and 20in barrels aren't very popular anymore, so the vast majority of AR owners aren't getting "on-paper" performance from the round.

There's lots of proof of concept videos on YouTube that reaffirm this. Just make sure you're looking at tests done on US made armor.

Tim "somebody bought me an AR and now I'm a gun expert" Pool just released a video this morning trying to make your argument and it's just wrong. You don't need lvl IV ceramics to stop standard rifle rounds. You need them to stop AP rifle rounds, which is why ceramics are generally useless outside of the battlefield because the cops and local criminals aren't using black tip .308 against people.
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A fifty foot long school in a school? The fuck did you go to school? The Isle of Liliput? The main hallway where the auditorium was easily 500 feet where I went to school to handle all of the kids. Same around the Cafeteria.
 
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Blacklight said:
Biden talking about deer with Kevlar vests. Dude doesn't seem to get that if a kid was wearing a vest and shot by that AR-15 that troon was using, the only thing that vest would do is kinda keep the corpse in a slightly nicer container. Vests do NOT work on rifle rounds.
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These retards think you hunt large game with .22 LR and not rounds that make 5.56 NATO look like a BB.
 
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Blacklight said:
A fifty foot long school in a school? The fuck did you go to school? The Isle of Liliput? The main hallway where the auditorium was easily 500 feet where I went to school to handle all of the kids. Same around the Cafeteria.
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I'm talking about the range at which a 5.56 round will penetrate a level III vest out of a 16in+ barrel. Under 50ft it will penetrate. Over 50ft it will not. If you're being shot at 165yard and you're wearing lvl III, the bullet will not penetrate the inerts. The cookie cutter NIJ ballistics ratings factor in that 5.56 is being fired out of the 20in barrel it was designed for, but is now very uncommon with privately owned ARs. For every inch of barrel you take away under 18in, there's a significant decrease in velocity, and velocity is usually the most important factor when you want to shoot through armor.
 
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Slappy McGherkin said:
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Loosening the credit standard for mortgages is what caused the mortgage crisis in 2008. Too many sub-prime borrowers with no skin in the game simply walked away and let the bank foreclose. Did nobody learn this the first time?

Not everybody should own a house. You had peeps working at McDonalds buying $400,000 dollar homes. No down payment? No documentation? No problem! Here's your mortgage, Mr. Minority.

Yet here we go again.
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I thought this wasn't gonna happen since blaclrock et. al were buying up all the homes. /sneed
 
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ForTheHoard said:
I'm talking about the range at which a 5.56 round will penetrate a level III vest out of a 16in+ barrel. Under 50ft it will penetrate. Over 50ft it will not. If you're being shot at 165yard and you're wearing lvl III, the bullet will not penetrate the inerts. The cookie cutter NIJ ballistics ratings factor in that 5.56 is being fired out of the 20in barrel it was designed for, but is now very uncommon with privately owned ARs. For every inch of barrel you take away under 18in, there's a significant decrease in velocity, and velocity is usually the most important factor when you want to shoot through armor.
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There's also the raw concussive force to deal with too. A kid might not be penetrated by the bullet, but getting caught in the flak jacket by lead will still do damage. Broken ribs, other extensive soft tissue damage. So it might not be one shot one kill, but it can still cripple someone, especially a younger kid.

The sad fact is, even if you give armor to every kid, it's not going to stop them from dying if some loon WANTS to kill people.
 
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Blacklight said:
Of course, because when I go hunting I want to just completely ruin the meat by possibly tainting it with digestive juices or just blowing giant chunks of the meat away leaving golf ball sized holes in the carcass.
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30-06 is still really popular for deer hunting. .300 Blackout is good for boar and still packs a bigger punch than 5.56 NATO. Should have said 5.56 in my OP and not "NATO calibers," since 7.62x51 is fine I guess, but .308 Winchester is still a bigger round.
 
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tehpope said:
I thought this wasn't gonna happen since blaclrock et. al were buying up all the homes.
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I'll admit my personal understanding of the real estate market is limited to the west coast, Colorado and Texas, but yeah, the biggest issues seem to be a housing supply problem and locals getting priced out of the market by coastal refugees exporting their insanely overheated housing market to the interior. We don't have a crisis of homes sitting empty while poor impoverished brown folks are frozen out via bad credit, we have too many people competing for too few houses and large corporations treating housing as an investment and hoovering up what supply does exist.
 
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Absolutego said:
I'll admit my personal understanding of the real estate market is limited to the west coast, Colorado and Texas, but yeah, the biggest issues seem to be a housing supply problem and locals getting priced out of the market by coastal refugees exporting their insanely overheated housing market to the interior. We don't have a crisis of homes sitting empty while poor impoverished brown folks are frozen out via bad credit, we have too many people competing for too few houses and large corporations treating housing as an investment and hoovering up what supply does exist.
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I was being snarky. I think homes are too expensive and no one is biting. And those that are biting are feeling it. New homes at least.
 
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CrippleThreat said:
Gov. Ivey could've gone into a runoff.

The South and Middle America aren't "neocon power vacuums," but the conservatives there really need to stop coming out for the incumbents.

Still can't believe Raffensperger, of all fuckers, got through.


Trump only took the endorsement once Brooks's campaign seemed to fall apart and die. But, it didn't! Mike Durant, the carpetbagger, is Lincoln Project backed and sucks, but like Matt Dolan with Vance, he's making a good move endorsing Brooks.

But to answer your question, Brooks, hands down. Katie Britt is a fraud and will just be Richard Shelby with tits (and apparently a fat ass). Mo recently made a bad vote with the Ukrainian aid bill, but he's been solid all-around on the issues for all his years in Congress. With this revival, I only hope Mo keeps up this Mo-mentum and doesn't die again.
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In MTG's district, there were quite a few voters who went with both MTG and Raffensperger. I don't think these are anti-MAGA neocon aligned voters, but somewhat politically apathetic voters going for the name they recognize. Many Raffensperger voters this year would vote for Trump in 2024, no questions asked, because they voted for Raffensperger due to it being an incumbent whose name they recognized - take a look at how Raffensperger did in Jodi Hice's district compared to MTG's, he did a lot worse in Hice's district than he did in MTG's - both districts aren't ideologically distinct, but in MTG's district a lot more people recognized Raffensperger's name over Hice, so they went with the former and their reason wasn't "stick it to Drumpf" because they nevertheless voted for Marjorie Taylor-Green at the same time.
 
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The story says they're considering switching to VantageScore, a competitor to FICO. They still have to validate it before they can use it. If it has more predictive power than the outdated FICO version they currently use, they should adopt it.

And the older version of FICO used by mortgage lenders really is trash. You can lose ~100 points due to a medical billing error that you never had a chance to correct, a government overpayment they didn't tell you about, or missing a final utility bill after moving. FICO decided years ago those aren't important to their model, but mortgage lenders never caught on and still use old versions.
 
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tehpope said:
I thought this wasn't gonna happen since blaclrock et. al were buying up all the homes.
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There are a lot of investors like Blackrock these days, but they have assets and buying power. They won't be the ones to cause a crisis.

Today, you can apply for a mortgage with a minimum credit score of 620, which is pretty much shit, and by Federal law, the bank HAS TO process your application. Doesn't mean it will get approved, most get rejected because of prior repos, foreclosures, or significant non-payment history.

Point being, the documentation requirements for income and 20% down were put in place by the Feds (that bailed out the banks to the tune of billions) to prevent another mortgage crash like 2008. Subverting those now so we can be like Obama's "everybody should have a house" mantra will lead to the same problem all over again.

I guess it makes sense when Biden is nothing more than Obama's 3rd term.
 
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