May 3, 2022 - Chris returned to CVRJ

About the only thing I think we can say for certain about Heilberg is he had no idea the shit he was stepping into when he agreed to take this case. I only wish I could have seen his face at the third appearance: "It was at this moment David knew… he fucked up."

Public defenders generally can't simply decline a case. They can decline a case for certain legitimate reasons, such as a conflict of interest, but "defendant is obviously guilty" or "defendant is a horrible human being" aren't reason enough.

Everyone in this country has the right to a legal defense; the role of the public defender is literally to do that job for the cases no private lawyer wants. If public defenders could simply decline cases willy-nilly, then the system would kinda fall apart.

It's amazing to me how many people don't realize this when it's such a cornerstone of our legal system. You have some baby murderer in the news and people get mad at his public defender, as if the public defender is pro murder as opposed to just being somebody doing their job and ensuring the legal system functions as intended.
 
Public defenders generally can't simply decline a case. They can decline a case for certain legitimate reasons, such as a conflict of interest, but "defendant is obviously guilty" or "defendant is a horrible human being" aren't reason enough.

Everyone in this country has the right to a legal defense; the role of the public defender is literally to do that job for the cases no private lawyer wants. If public defenders could simply decline cases willy-nilly, then the system would kinda fall apart.

It's amazing to me how many people don't realize this when it's such a cornerstone of our legal system. You have some baby murderer in the news and people get mad at his public defender, as if the public defender is pro murder as opposed to just being somebody doing their job and ensuring the legal system functions as intended.
Even if he had to take the case doesn't mean he has to like it. Heilburg's desk is probably covered in empty whiskey bottles and cigarette packs from having to cope with Chris's bullshit.
 
Public defenders generally can't simply decline a case.

Your points are all valid, and I agree with your position entirely, except for one little thing:

Heilberg is not a public defender.


Chris is not the worst client he’s had to deal with.

He didn't commit the worst crime Heilberg's ever defended, but he may well be the worst person he's ever dealt with, at least from a lawyer's perspective. I doubt he's ever had as much hassle from a client over such a picayune case.
 
Wait WHAT? Why is he taking Chris' case then? Chris doesn't have the money to pay a lawyer, and while lawyers sometimes take on cases pro bono if it's for a good cause and/or they can get good publicity out of it, but this case is pretty much the furthest thing from either of those possible
No idea why he did it, but Chris lucked out and Heilberg absolutely has to be regretting it. I mean the letters alone, but on top of that I am sure weens are trying to get in touch with him and ultimately harassing him. I wish this man good luck.
 
I feel bad for anyone who's going to be working on that case. Imagine having to try and defend someone who raped their own cognitively-declined parent repeatedly and knowingly. Worse, imagine being a juror who goes in not knowing next to anything about the case and having to witness the evidence. The state should pay for whatever therapy costs come from this.
 
Wait WHAT? Why is he taking Chris' case then?

I know, right? What the actual? That is the big mystery. If you scroll up in the forums you'll find endless debate on this very matter.

We know why Rob Bell took Chris and Barb's case for the Game Place incident: the Chandlers threw a shittonne of money at him, and it was easier to take it than get them to fuck off.

We know why the public defender took his case for the GameStop incident: he was a public defender, and Chris and Barb had already blown Bob's legacy on Rob Bell. Note that expensive Rob Bell basically accomplished the same as the free public defender: plead them out.

But nobody knows why Heilberg stepped in this time around. Maybe not even Heilberg himself. There is all sorts of speculation why a heavy hitter like Heilberg took on Chris' case, but little by way of known facts. I'll be interested to hear your hypothesis on it.

My own best guess is the court requested Heilberg take the case (pro bono or at standard rates) due to his experience with media circus trials. Heilberg agreed (for whatever reason), not knowing the insanity he was stepping into.

I've considered writing him to ask why he took this case, but that will probably have to wait until the case is long over and all the weenery he's doubtless receiving has died down.


imagine being a juror

I may be wrong, but I don't think the J&DR courts in Virginia have jury trials.
 
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It's true. Unless Virginia law is very, very different, Chris doesn't have to wait for an official court date to change his plea to guilty with conditions (a.k.a. accept a plea deal). He can change his plea to guilty at any time.

Often a prosecutor will take a plea deal off the table if the case ends up going to trial, but in Chris' case I think the prosecutor would still accept it, even then, if only to be done with Chris as soon as possible. Even with all these extensions, even after all this time, he hasn't really gone to trial yet.

Had Chris agreed to plea guilty, to stay the hell away from 14BLC and Barb, and to be placed in a tard home (far away) , he could have been out of jail as soon as they found a placement for him (and probably wouldn't have been too picky about whatever placement they find). That's what he should have done if he were smart.

But Chris is not smart. He will never, willingly, agree to any of that. And since Chris absolutely IS guilty as sin, he's the only one bringing all this jail time and hospitalization down on himself.
Smart person would not end up in Chris Situation first place
 
Chris is not the worst client he’s had to deal with.
doesn't mean the man's probably been drinking the irritation of dealing with Chris away in general, wouldn't you?
Even Barb thought throwing all her savings at at the problem would make it magically go away? Sunds like CWC-level stupidity.
It was more Chris applying cartoon logic to the real world yet again. Ergo if you spend a shit ton of money on a lawyer then they'll get you off for it. Probably based on the trope of someone like Mr burns having a team of attorneys to get him off whenever he gets in trouble.
 
It's also simply a hell of a lot less work in the J&DR courts. Both the prosecution and defense seem to have agreed on that.

Granted, but the J&DR court can still kick this up to big-boy criminal court if they want to. They'd still have to convince the DA that pursuing this as a felony would be worth the time, effort, and money required to do so, but it would be the cleanest way to get him out of their hair. Note that I'm not saying that this will happen, but rather that the possibility exists.

Dragging it out keeps Chris safely incarcerated where he can't create any more work or hassle for both the prosecution and defense. I'm sure both the prosecution and defense are perfectly fine with that. So long as Chris is tucked away safely in jail, i doubt either of them spend more than five minutes a week even thinking about him.

Oh, believe me, given the shit that the courts deal with (and I'm including both J&DR and the civil & criminal courts in this) in that part of the world on a regular basis, Chris is going to be relatively low on the totem pole of offenders as far as they're concerned. He's a repugnant pile of shit, to be sure, but still not receiving as much attention as repeat offenders, violent criminals (I'm assuming that his congress with Borb was consensual by saying that), and RSOs.

Time served is a given since the maximum sentence for the misdemeanor Chris is charged with is one year. Whatever gets loaded on top of that will be things like mandatory therapy, no-contact with Barb, possibly housing in a managed care facility, and so on. Basically things to try to ensure Chris never becomes a problem for the courts again (it won't work, but the court has to try). I don't see Heilberg disagreeing with any of that.

Correct, but that only applies if the charge remains a misdemeanor; if it gets bumped up to a felony, the sentence can range from one to ten years. At that point, any suspended sentence, conditions of release, etc. can come into play. That's not to say that a misdemeanor sentence couldn't carry conditions of release, but, as you point out, that the maximum jail term would be one year.

Realistically, I doubt that Chris' case is going to get bumped up to a felony. He's a first-time sex offender, has the 'tism, and Borb may have consented to the act(s); none of this adds up to being, say, a recidivist child molester. As repulsive as both he and his actions were and are, he is the teflon tard and someone will find excuses for him yet again. Credit for time served, transfer to a care facility, and supervised release to include therapy and instruction in basic life skills would probably cover 90% of whatever ends up being handed down.

His stay at the hospital was not really for evaluation. It was to train him to say: "not guilty," or: "guilty," and: "yes, your honor" instead of: "mumble mumble ponies mumble CPU mumble sonichu mumble I'm famous on the internet," etc.

If he was sent where I think he was, he wouldn't be able to leave without both an entrance and exit evaluation. IIRC, it's required for anyone who is coming in as a patient from a jail facility, and I believe that the J&DR court also receives a copy of the evaluation(s). Chances are also good that he had minimal contact with the outside world during this time, including his lawyer - not that he was barred from talking with him, but rather that visits were very strictly metered.

I think the court (prosecution, defense, and judge) would prefer it if he were placed in a managed care facility somewhere far, far out of their jurisdiction, but they're settling for jail for as long as possible.

Possibly, but given that the case is still in J&DR at present, my gut feeling is that they'll go for a therapeutic approach before further incarceration in sentencing. What form that therapy will take isn't clear at this point, but it is probably safe to assume that it will be at least some form of supervised release coupled with therapy and a no-go-near-Borb order.

More and more it seems the court simply doesn't want to deal with him, which is why I believe they set the next appearance so close to time served. There's no point in having him appear sooner. They know he's just going to waste everyone's time in court any time he does, so why bother?

J&DR in that part of the state is always busy. Point taken, but that may have been the first available slot that was agreeable to both sides simply due to caseload. Agreed that the timing would put him close to the one-year mark, though.

It doesn't appear that jail did the trick, which is probably why they tried chucking him in the hospital. I'm not certain if that worked, either, or if the hospital tossed him back to jail because they are also tired of dealing with him.

The hospital stay was almost certainly mandated by the court. Bear in mind that J&DR has no jury trials and each case is ruled on by a judge; it's likely that the judge wanted observation and evaluation of Chris before continuing.

I still think that if Chris had plead guilty from the start in exchange for being placed somewhere as far away from Greene county as possible as soon as possible, the prosecution would have been all for it. The court would agree to just about anything to never have to deal with Chris ever again. And never mind being seen as soft on crime; I thing any prosecutor who got rid of Chris permanently would be hailed as a hero by the good people of Greene Country, no matter how it was accomplished.

Chris really doesn't factor all that much into the day-to-day fabric of life around Ruckersville, Charlottesville, Staunton, or Harrisonburg. We pay way more attention to him than anyone else there does. As far as the courts are concerned, he's small potatoes.
 
Null's optimism was misplaced in Chris, I can however understand from an empathetic standpoint why he was trying to help Chris.
Same thing with Chris' father. Seems like optimism and trying to help Chris is a fool's errand. It isn't their fault; unfortunately Chris just doesn't adhere to other people's advice. Chris wants to march to the beat of his own drum, but without the consequences.
 
Granted, but the J&DR court can still kick this up to big-boy criminal court if they want to. They'd still have to convince the DA that pursuing this as a felony would be worth the time, effort, and money required to do so, but it would be the cleanest way to get him out of their hair. Note that I'm not saying that this will happen, but rather that the possibility exists.
I wonder if talk like this at the hospital was what scared Chris into completely backpeddling, drawing up "soul bonding" art that is just hugging, making a new commandment saying you shouldn't pressure people into sex, claiming now he didn't have sex with her, and if he did, it was her fault.

That seems really unusual for Chris given the six months of letters where he was content to just ride things out, maybe do a year and all would be over. Now he's desperate to try to change the course of the entire thing, which leads me to believe they talked to him about potential more serious charges, SOR, or it could just be his ban on going back home. The latter kind of doesn't make any sense if he's claiming Barb was the instigator, and demanding she come in for an "interrogation" to prove it.
 
I wonder if talk like this at the hospital was what scared Chris into completely backpeddling, drawing up "soul bonding" art that is just hugging, making a new commandment saying you shouldn't pressure people into sex, claiming now he didn't have sex with her, and if he did, it was her fault.

That seems really unusual for Chris given the six months of letters where he was content to just ride things out, maybe do a year and all would be over. Now he's desperate to try to change the course of the entire thing, which leads me to believe they talked to him about potential more serious charges, SOR, or it could just be his ban on going back home. The latter kind of doesn't make any sense if he's claiming Barb was the instigator, and demanding she come in for an "interrogation" to prove it.
Isn't it Chris' M.O. to shift blame to others to take the heat away from him ("the Gamestop employee came after me first!"). I thought Chris thought as Barb as the 'ideal' parent (he gravitated more to her than Bob and thus would have a sense of loyalty), but he is more than willing to throw her under the bus, which actually surprised me as Barb is the only person who stood by Chris' side for many years, and is the only one to put up with his BS.

I guess if the hospital put it like this: "behave yourself, or you'll never see your toys again." and Chris replied "It was my mom's fault. Bring her here to clear my name NOW, NOW, NOW!"
 
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