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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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You seem really mad. Are you mad?

You're gettting absolutely felted on your profile page, btw.

You should, like, take it easy or something. Then people wouldn't be making fun of you so much.

It's only just a game...
lol
More annoyed than anything.
Typical russocuck. Bloats a whole lot of bullshit, gets shit on by others, but still keeps bloating himself with pompous righteousness.
Don't worry about me, cowboy. Worry about your mom's savings account and her fridge.
 
No. But like the Kaiser backing Austria in WW1, the Americans can't afford to not back Poland when it's their only reliable ally outside of Ukraine.
Poland has zero strategic importance to America, they contribute nothing to the American economy, they do not produce any valuable exports that America needs, they do not have any resources America needs.

Do you think Americans who cannot find baby formula for their children are happy about American money going to a useless "ally" like Poland that gives America absolutely nothing in return? How popular is that decision going to be, come midterms? I understand that you autists do not comprehend that things cost money and that people have to work for money, but it's kind of a big deal for us normal people. American government will have to answer to the American people sooner or later, and given the current economic crisis, there is absolutely no justification for giving an ounce of support to useless shitholes like Poland and the Baltics.

So buckle up, sunshine, cause the Pollacks are gonna get their own version of STALKER if they try to fuck around some more, and America won't lift a finger to help them.
 
Soviets received 17.5 million tons of Lend-Lease aid. How do you replace that? With what factory? With what staff? With what tooling? With what transportation network? With what mine? With what smelter? With what field? With what energy?

Just because they "had massive resources" doesn't mean they were in a position to exploit them. Not when there is a war on soaking up all the available capable highly-productive manpower as soldiers. They did everything they could to produce war materiel and mobilized absolutely everyone. They were still 17.5 million tons short of what they needed to reach Berlin.


By the end of the first half of 1942, over 1200 evacuated enterprises had begun to operated in the Urals. From December 1941, the government managed to stop the decline in production that initially occurred due to industrial losses, and from March 1942 production again began to grow. The country's main economic and military industrial base was now based in the regions a bit east of the Volga, regions that were primarily in the Urals. When comparing the economy of Ural regions in 1942 and in 1940 (before the war), it becomes apparent that electricity production was increased by more than 2 times, coal production increased 2.3 times and steel production increased 2.4 times. In March 1942, the output of military equipment and machinery in the eastern regions reached a point which equaled production across the entire Soviet Union at the start of the war. In June of the same year, the US and the Soviet Union signed an agreement to lend-lease supplies. Known today as Lend-Lease. Thanks to Lend-Lease, during the war years, the Soviet Union received about 14.8 thousand aircraft, 7.1 thousand tanks, 8.2 thousand anti-aircraft guns, a large number of cars, tractors and other vital supplies.

The country's agriculture was in a difficult situation. The gross grain harvest in 1941 decreased by almost 1.7 times when compared to 1940. This was largely due to the loss of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which produced most harvest for the Soviet Union. On July 20, 1941, the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union approved a plan to increase the sowing of winter crops in the Volga region, Siberia and Kazakhstan. Thanks to the measures taken, the gross grain harvest in the eastern regions, including the Volga region, doubled in 1942 compared with 1940, yet, total harvest it still lagged behind significantly to prewar period.

Having lost the western part of the country, significant problems arose transport, specifically rail transport. Transport by rail was most important for the military and throughout the war it took the brunt of military traffic. In addition, the most extensive railway network was in the occupied western part of the country. On June 24, 1941, a military train schedule was introduced in order to ensure the operation of railway transport. At the end of 1942, 35 locomotive columns of the People's Commissariat of Railways of the Soviet Union reserve were created. At the same time, over three thousand kilometers of new railways were built. All this significantly increased the freight turnover allowing for faster relocation of forces, production and increased efficiency. The freight turnover increased by one and a half times compared with the first quarter of 1942.

An economic turning point for the better came in 1943, when gross industrial production increased by 17% compared with 1942. In the Urals and Siberia, metallurgical plants were being built and expanded at an accelerated pace. In 1944, the volume of industrial production when compared with the volume of industrial production in 1940 was at 103-104%. In 1943-1945 mass production of the newer military equipment was carried out. In 1943, when it became clearer that the war was going in allied favor and that the Soviet Union would not outright lose the war, one of the most important tasks became to restore the national economy. Measures were taken to develop the production of agricultural equipment and increase the acreage. On 26 May 1943, The State Defense Committee made a resolution on Restoring Railways in Liberated Areas and up until the end of the war, 50 thousand km of main railway lines, 2.5 thousand stations and sidings were restored. A significant contribution to meeting the needs of the front was made by the population of the country, which, despite the hardship and deprivation, worked in all sectors of the economy. In addition, 94.5 billion rubles were collected in the form of voluntary contributions during the years of the war, 1941 till 1945.

lol
More annoyed than anything.
Typical russocuck. Bloats a whole lot of bullshit, gets shit on by others, but still keeps bloating himself with pompous righteousness.
Don't worry about me, cowboy. Worry about your mom's savings account and her fridge.

Yeah, u mad.

Try counting to ten before you post.
 
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Poland has zero strategic importance to America, they contribute nothing to the American economy, they do not produce any valuable exports that America needs, they do not have any resources America needs.

Do you think Americans who cannot find baby formula for their children are happy about American money going to a useless "ally" like Poland that gives America absolutely nothing in return? How popular is that decision going to be, come midterms? I understand that you autists do not comprehend that things cost money and that people have to work for money, but it's kind of a big deal for us normal people. American government will have to answer to the American people sooner or later, and given the current economic crisis, there is absolutely no justification for giving an ounce of support to useless shitholes like Poland and the Baltics.

So buckle up, sunshine, cause the Pollacks are gonna get their own version of STALKER if they try to fuck around some more, and America won't lift a finger to help them.
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I mean in fairness to the Poles, they don't really need America, they've become the new one stop shop for NATO tank types for them to all play with, having now got the Leopard 2, M1A2, Challenger 2 and I recently heard they've got the K2 from the Koreans because fuckit why not?
 
I'm just wondering where you people are getting the idea that Russia is losing, honestly. Even the usually-corrupt American press is now begrudgingly accepting that NATO losses are unacceptable and they may have to pull their support for Ukraine.

That and I feel bad for Ukrainian women who are going to be taken advantage of by angloid scum. How can you back America and the UK when they are shamelessly pushing Ukrainian women into sex slavery? Was Hunter Biden's human trafficking network not enough?
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Normally i don't give you baby rapist the time of day, but what NATO losses? At this point in time, not a single NATO soldier has gotten lost and at the most, we might lose some military weapons that we can make more of no problem or that are being replaced.

In return, you have 30000 dead and wounded Russians if not more, and my cost, I don't know I guess i paid a bit more for my Pizza today...A good trade i say, tomorrow more Russians are dead and i will pay a bit more for bread than i did 3 months ago. Ah well, I guess I will not be fucking two high-class prostitutes this week and only one, the sacrifices I make for this war.
 
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I mean in fairness to the Poles, they don't really need America, they've become the new one stop shop for NATO tank types for them to all play with, having now got the Leopard 2, M1A2, Challenger 2 and I recently heard they've got the K2 from the Koreans because fuckit why not?
I think the UK and the rest just want to do the peasant test. As in, what happens when you put a drunk Slavic peasant behind the wheel of their tank, how fast they'll wreck it.

As for article 5, well, it's more complicated than just "any NATO member that gets attacked invokes article 5." Here's a good writeup: https://www.lawfareblog.com/turkeys-troubles-idlib-does-article-5-north-atlantic-treaty-hold-answer
Part to note is: "In other words, if a NATO member state is the target of lawful self-defense rather than an unlawful armed attack, it cannot request support from its allies under Article 5 in response."

Now it's just a matter of proving lawful self-defense. Or just wait until they set foot on Ukrainian soil and then yeet them, then Article 5 doesn't apply. https://theconversation.com/why-tur...upport-from-nato-over-attacks-in-syria-132838

Normally i don't give you baby rapist the time of day, but what NATO losses? At this point in time, not a single NATO soldier has gotten lost and at the most, we might lose some military weapons that we can make more of no problem or that are being replaced.

In return, you have 30000 dead and wounded Russians if not more, and my cost, I don't know I guess i paid a bit more for my Pizza today...A good trade i say, tomorrow more Russians are dead and i will pay a bit more for bread than i did 3 months ago. Ah well, I guess I will not be fucking two high-class prostitutes this week and only one, the sacrifices I make for this war.
LOL are you for real? What about the two NATO mercenaries from the UK that just today were set to be executed in the DNR, for example?
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Hundreds of foreign NATO mercs were blown up by Russian cruise missiles, the w*stoids are tired of their citizens coming home in bags and boxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavoriv_military_base_attack

 
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In return, you have 30000 dead and wounded Russians if not more, and my cost, I don't know I guess i paid a bit more for my Pizza today...A good trade i say, tomorrow more Russians are dead and i will pay a bit more for bread than i did 3 months ago.
The prices have been rising since before Russia invaded Ukraine. If you think your pizza costs more because of Russia then you need to voluntarily commit yourself ASAP.
 
"No westerners were killed in Yavoriv! They were all, uh, out for a walk. Yes, that's it, out for a walk! They walked all the way to the border with Poland and then got on a plane and flew home. Yes, home. Yes, all alive. What do you mean, can't reach any of them? I just talked to all of them yesterday, they said they couldn't reach you! This interview is over!"
 
"No westerners were killed in Yavoriv! They were all, uh, out for a walk. Yes, that's it, out for a walk! They walked all the way to the border with Poland and then got on a plane and flew home. Yes, home. Yes, all alive. What do you mean, can't reach any of them? I just talked to all of them yesterday, they said they couldn't reach you! This interview is over!"
Why would westerners be upset that a bunch of volunteers died after going out of their way to get involved in a foreign war?

@Sphere
Now point to me how they create 17.5 million tons more. More than what they built. Plus what they made. Generation of a surplus in addition to. I ran out of ways to state this. Here, I'll use math.

Soviet production + 17500000 tons = Berlin
Soviet production + 0 = Somewhere in Belarus
 
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The Russiaboos are living in the same fantasy land as they always have. They were when Kruschev informed the West, "We will bury you!", they are now. It's literally all they have since they don't have actual real-world anything.

It's seriously LOL.
 
alright, this may possibly be the biggest news of the week if not month ...

Ukrainian Orthodox Church Moscow Patriarchate just declared its independence from Moscow ...
https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-61613881 (Rus)

just to give you some background, since 2014 invasion, Orthodox churches in Ukraine kind of been working with their KGB Moscow patriarch, helping Russia any way they could. In the reign of the previous Uki pres, newly evolved Ukrainian Orthodox church obtained a thomos, i.e. it was recognized as autocephalous (an authority all by itself) by the main of of the main orthodox dude. It was absolutely huge thing.

Believe it or not, Ukraine was one of the largest slices of Russian Orthodox church, bringing in about 50% of the total income. Once independent, almost half of parishes elected to join Uki Ortho and the other half remained Uki Ortho Moscow Patriarchate, i.e. still have Moscow as their authority and piping money to Moscow and it's KGB leadership of homos and pedos (carefully selected by KGB during USSR era)

So, these days Moscow patriarch Kirill (aka Michailo by his KGB handle) refused to condemn war and in fact blessed the whole operation which didn't sit well with a lot of parishes in Ukraine. Some of priests were called out as collaborators and traitors.

Now this declaration of independence is ... I don't know what. That part of Uki Ortho MP is full of KGB/FSB. Without a patriarch though I have no idea what status they even have now. If you think civil law can be complicated you know nothing about church that has weird ass laws made over millenium of its existence.


It's big news, not sure what to make of it yet. But basically Russian Orthodox church have it's income reduced by half since 2014 invasion. I hope it was worth it for Russia bros. Loosing most of your most profitable parishes. Centers of influence, intelligence gathering, centers of Russian speaking communities.

None of that shit is coming back either. With autocephalous home church, you can't push expansion. It's eerily parallel to NATO expanding despite "efforts" not to. Russia's prestige declining. Fucking Putin must be a Uki joo spook mastermind, because the degree of fuckup is just historically huge. I just can't think of any other dictator who fucked its country harder, no one.
 
Poland has zero strategic importance to America, they contribute nothing to the American economy, they do not produce any valuable exports that America needs, they do not have any resources America needs.

Do you think Americans who cannot find baby formula for their children are happy about American money going to a useless "ally" like Poland that gives America absolutely nothing in return? How popular is that decision going to be, come midterms? I understand that you autists do not comprehend that things cost money and that people have to work for money, but it's kind of a big deal for us normal people. American government will have to answer to the American people sooner or later, and given the current economic crisis, there is absolutely no justification for giving an ounce of support to useless shitholes like Poland and the Baltics.

So buckle up, sunshine, cause the Pollacks are gonna get their own version of STALKER if they try to fuck around some more, and America won't lift a finger to help them.
Yes they will. They already lost enough prestige in Afghanistan and Iraq. That, and their only reliable ally on the continent is Poland. And again, all it takes to stop nuclear Russia is two nukes, one aimed at Moscow, the other at St. Petersburg. Kill those two cities, and Russia will be nothing but a wilderness with nothing worth anyone's time.
 
Yes they will. They already lost enough prestige in Afghanistan and Iraq. That, and their only reliable ally on the continent is Poland. And again, all it takes to stop nuclear Russia is two nukes, one aimed at Moscow, the other at St. Petersburg. Kill those two cities, and Russia will be nothing but a wilderness with nothing worth anyone's time.
Lol, that's the most retarded take here so far, and that says something.

America didn't do shit when Georgia got their shit pushed in, and won't do anything about Ukraine or Poland. They have their own problems now. Explaining to a hungry American population why they're about to be the subject of a nuclear retaliation strike from Russia is beyond Joe Biden's skills as a statesman.
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alright, this may possibly be the biggest news of the week if not month ...

Ukrainian Orthodox Church Moscow Patriarchate just declared its independence from Moscow ...
https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-61613881 (Rus)

just to give you some background, since 2014 invasion, Orthodox churches in Ukraine kind of been working with their KGB Moscow patriarch, helping Russia any way they could. In the reign of the previous Uki pres, newly evolved Ukrainian Orthodox church obtained a thomos, i.e. it was recognized as autocephalous (an authority all by itself) by the main of of the main orthodox dude. It was absolutely huge thing.

Believe it or not, Ukraine was one of the largest slices of Russian Orthodox church, bringing in about 50% of the total income. Once independent, almost half of parishes elected to join Uki Ortho and the other half remained Uki Ortho Moscow Patriarchate, i.e. still have Moscow as their authority and piping money to Moscow and it's KGB leadership of homos and pedos (carefully selected by KGB during USSR era)

So, these days Moscow patriarch Kirill (aka Michailo by his KGB handle) refused to condemn war and in fact blessed the whole operation which didn't sit well with a lot of parishes in Ukraine. Some of priests were called out as collaborators and traitors.

Now this declaration of independence is ... I don't know what. That part of Uki Ortho MP is full of KGB/FSB. Without a patriarch though I have no idea what status they even have now. If you think civil law can be complicated you know nothing about church that has weird ass laws made over millenium of its existence.


It's big news, not sure what to make of it yet. But basically Russian Orthodox church have it's income reduced by half since 2014 invasion. I hope it was worth it for Russia bros. Loosing most of your most profitable parishes. Centers of influence, intelligence gathering, centers of Russian speaking communities.

None of that shit is coming back either. With autocephalous home church, you can't push expansion. It's eerily parallel to NATO expanding despite "efforts" not to. Russia's prestige declining. Fucking Putin must be a Uki joo spook mastermind, because the degree of fuckup is just historically huge. I just can't think of any other dictator who fucked its country harder, no one.
will they now join with kyiv patriarchate orthodox church? or does ukraine now get multiple separate and competing orthodox churches?
 
Lol, that's the most retarded take here so far, and that says something.

America didn't do shit when Georgia got their shit pushed in, and won't do anything about Ukraine or Poland. They have their own problems now. Explaining to a hungry American population why they're about to be the subject of a nuclear retaliation strike from Russia is beyond Joe Biden's skills as a statesman.
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Georgia wasn't a NATO member. Also, nuking Russia has nothing to do with baby formula. All you need is to push a button. Again, America has shown no signs of abandoning Poland, and all your doomposting amounts to nothing.

Come back when you actually have a point. Russians are having a hard time getting essentials that go beyond the scope of baby formula.
 
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