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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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You are free to call them Nazis all day, but that doesn't change the fact that they're about as Nazi as the average Hanukkah party.

The whole problem with todays image of Nazis, is that in popular culture they appear as solo ethnic-german protagonists who never work with other races. When it turns out historically they did.

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Again, if you want to post evidence, post evidence. "My friend in the military" is about as credible as hot gas. Lazerpig makes the odd mistakes, but much of what he says is true, since it can be corroborated by things like the articles I've been posting here.
Don't tell me what to post or what not to post, this isn't your personal thread to mod. Again, if you don't like my post the mute button exists.
 
Again, if you want to post evidence, post evidence. "My friend in the military" is about as credible as hot gas. Lazerpig makes the odd mistakes, but much of what he says is true, since it can be corroborated by things like the articles I've been posting here.
I find it extremely hard to believe that Anniston and Sierra Depots are nearing empty. Especially since the US has not donated most of the types of weapons systems stored there. M1 Abrams and M2 Bradley, for example. It really points to them not doing even the most basic research. A quick perusal of satellite pictures of the absolute fuckton of gear stored there should tell you that, no, the US is not running out of weapons. That it could equip the entire Ukrainian Army along with every US active and reserve unit and still have gear left over.
 
lol I can tell you she's not named Lazerpig, has security clearance and goes than 0-4
Considering the DoD’s estimated casualties for Russia exceed 15k men, 50+ Helicopters (of which at least 14 are the modern Ka-52 and are completely irreplaceable due to sanctions), at least 36 aircraft (with 10 being Su-34’s, the most modern Russian strike craft), and about 1000 tanks, the activation of T-62M’s from storage, hundreds of destroyed IFV’s, and a reduction of their planned encirclement from over 300km and much of the Ukrainian army to barely 30km and two cities which they still haven’t cut off yet, it’s pretty much a given the Russians are paying a high price for practically little gain.

Cope, seethe, dilate etc. The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians as a second rate power only propped up by nukes and Soviet legacy stockpiles. Much of their lost equipment is stuff they’d bragged about modernizing to the point it was superior to the west. Are the Ukrainians taking losses? Sure, but they don’t seem to be breaking and the Russians have no ability to interdict western resupply. And this is just the conventional phase of the conflict.
 
I find it extremely hard to believe that Anniston and Sierra Depots are nearing empty. Especially since the US has not donated most of the types of weapons systems stored there. M1 Abrams and M2 Bradley, for example. It really points to them not doing even the most basic research. A quick perusal of satellite pictures of the absolute fuckton of gear stored there should tell you that, no, the US is not running out of weapons. That it could equip the entire Ukrainian Army along with every US active and reserve unit and still have gear left over.
We aren't. We spent several years over stockpiling M1s and M2s to keep the plant open. I think the US is the only NATO member that can easily supply hardware to interested buyers or replace losses in quick order sans certain Aircraft like the B-2 and F-22. The US still produces F-16s, F-15s, AH-64s and the like. Anyone who tells you the US is running short on war materials is dumb. We are running short on shit like the FIM-92, but DOD doesn't want the thing anymore. Having two large Air Forces that excel at all angles allows you the luxury of not needing MANPADs or even SPAAGs.

 
Considering the DoD’s estimated casualties for Russia exceed 15k men, 50+ Helicopters (of which at least 14 are the modern Ka-52 and are completely irreplaceable due to sanctions)
Why are they "completely irreplaceable" due to sanctions? Are they unable to buy our unobtanium or source the proper electronics from their good pals the Chinese, who have stolen everyone's tech and don't care about copyright or licensing?

This post would be a good amuse-bouche when you eat your hat.
 
Why are they "completely irreplaceable" due to sanctions? Are they unable to buy our unobtanium or source the proper electronics from their good pals the Chinese, who have stolen everyone's tech and don't care about copyright or licensing?

This post would be a good amuse-bouche when you eat your hat.
Electronics suites were western built and getting those chips again will be hard if not impossible. Combine that with the incredibly shit thermals they have for them already and you’re looking at some real fucking issues.
 
The Germans could have easily fixed such problems if they weren't busy fighting the Western Powers at the same time as the USSR. Again, all the supply woes you read about comes in the context of Germany being stretched to the breaking point by a two-front war. If it wasn't for said two-front war, they would have time to solve such supply problems.
It wasn’t just land-lease, there were advisors that assisted with improving their production, logistics, etc. Although the Germans were running out of steam, the Soviet push west was overcharged by all the trucks, cars, weapons, etc., given to them. It helped the Soviets project more force than they otherwise could have.

I’m a fan of this channel and it’s interesting how much Soviet equipment was made in Chicago.


Imo the Allies won because they were allied and working together. The Japanese & Germans didn’t coordinate at all. The Germans just pushed their smaller allies around. It’s fortunate not just for the Soviets, but all of the Allies, that they didn’t coordinate efforts. They could’ve forced the Soviets to fight a two front war, more efficiently took on the English Empire, etc.

The German logistics woes in the East are very well known. They had completely outstripped their logistics capability to an embarrassing degree by late 1941. It was so bad that that units fought each other and hijacked their own trains to supply themselves. They faced critical shortages of everything across the entire front until the end of the war. Not because the items didn't exist, they did in quantity, but because they lacked the capacity to ship it east.

If it could have been solved by just adding more trains and sending them down the existing lines they absolutely would have done it. The soldiers at the front were literally starving and out of ammunition and fuel that existed back home in depots but could not reach them. The problem was that the Germans lacked the ability to do it despite putting every effort towards fixing it. They created literal slave armies of POW rail workers to build and repair rail lines, depots, and sidings to try to fix the network. It was never enough.

The complete and total failure of German logistics on the eastern front is not "nonsense". It is well established historical fact. It doesn't matter what your armchair train conducting bullshit opinion is. Their best people couldn't fucking send enough shit to the east through the network to win despite doing everything they possibly could.
They did struggle because they had a hodge podge of vehicles from not only Germany but the countries they pillaged like France. The Germans used a lot of pack animals as well, so it’s not like they were completely helpless because of the rails. I’ve heard some argue that a bigger impediment to the Germans was the lack of infrastructure and that what existed generally pointed to Moscow and nowhere else.

However, the Soviets weren’t great logisticians either. It’s why they failed to completely reintegrate Finland. It’s one of the reasons they struggled in WWI and were humiliated by the Japanese. Without allied aid they would struggle to project force into hostile territory.

With more people, resources, and time, the Germans could build up the infrastructure necessary to control more living space in the East. Especially in regions that held greater hostility towards the Soviet regime.

The Americans on the other hand were the best nation logistically in WWII, and not just because they could out produce everyone. They could bring more of their weapons to bear when and where they needed them, fought the war on two fronts, while arming and feeding their allies. The Americans (and Australians I guess) strangled the Japanese while fighting the Germans. Without the threat of America and its Allies, the Japanese could have put pressure on the Soviets and forced them to fight a two front war.

Economics and logistics go hand in hand. The Soviet economy was an inefficient mess because it was centrally planned. It couldn’t respond to the needs or demands as efficiently as the American economy could to its war effort. They’d emphasize more prestigious items and overlook the smaller but still necessary ones. Essentially, America could pick up for that slack and cover their inefficiencies. America’s economy, logistics, and technology was superior to the Soviets, and deep down they knew it. It helped them to supercharge their war effort against the Axis Powers.

It still holds true today. Russia is dangerous because it could flip over the table and embrace nuclear annihilation. It’s conventional weapons, logistics, and military are not on par with the United States despite all of the woke BS. The superiority of the American Military Machine to Russia’s was made clear in the Gulf War. This painful truth was instilled in the Wagner Group four years ago. Hopefully they won’t need to be reminded again.
Considering the DoD’s estimated casualties for Russia exceed 15k men, 50+ Helicopters (of which at least 14 are the modern Ka-52 and are completely irreplaceable due to sanctions), at least 36 aircraft (with 10 being Su-34’s, the most modern Russian strike craft), and about 1000 tanks, the activation of T-62M’s from storage, hundreds of destroyed IFV’s, and a reduction of their planned encirclement from over 300km and much of the Ukrainian army to barely 30km and two cities which they still haven’t cut off yet, it’s pretty much a given the Russians are paying a high price for practically little gain.

Cope, seethe, dilate etc. The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians as a second rate power only propped up by nukes and Soviet legacy stockpiles. Much of their lost equipment is stuff they’d bragged about modernizing to the point it was superior to the west. Are the Ukrainians taking losses? Sure, but they don’t seem to be breaking and the Russians have no ability to interdict western resupply. And this is just the conventional phase of the conflict.
The T-64s are the most damning evidence I’ve seen. It’d be like the Americans rolling out Pattons. I expect the Russians to make more advances still. I suspect it’ll take a while for the wests aid to make any difference, but in the end I’d argue this war wasn’t in Russia’s interests. It reinvigorated the EU, pushed more countries into the arms of Uncle Sam, and cost them the lives of young men that they can’t really afford to lose.
 
Electronics suites were western built and getting those chips again will be hard if not impossible. Combine that with the incredibly shit thermals they have for them already and you’re looking at some real fucking issues.
I don't know if you noticed but we've been drowning in Chinese spies for some time who have stolen so much of our tech the feds can't keep up anymore and the Chinese reversed engineered everything yesterday. It's highly likely it's not as good as ours but it doesn't have to be.
 
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I don't agree because the germans couldn't supply the forces they already had in theater. Adding more forces makes those acute shortages even worse. It does not increase their ability to fight the war. It hampers it.
But if you weigh your losses and choose to resupply a stronger front, while riskig to lose another, you can still do that tho. Even if it would be a mistake in the end.
To fix it the major structural transportation issues the rail system would have needed to have been reformed and reorganized
Again, what the fuck is the point?
Unless the rail is totally busted, you can still fucking use it back and forth.
 
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And the fact that you thought the Chinese were as tough as they were during the Korean War pretty much shows me the full extent of your knowledge of modern militaries. Again, the term "little emperors" wasn't something that China's enemies came up with, Chinese commanders came up with it because of how pathetic their current crop of soldiers are.
The Chinese weren't even all that tough in the Korean War. They did great in their initial advance using highly mobile guerilla infantry to cut off and bypass overextended UN troops in a serious of rapid night battles akin to the Finns pulling motti tactics against the Soviets... but unlike the Soviets we pulled back in surprisingly good order, and when winter set in and their bicycle-by-night logistics train was unable to keep them supplied, reorganized and counterattacked, inflicting well over a million casualties. I had to look this up earlier, and while the Chinese did superbly early on, guerilla forces cannot fight set-piece battles or attack fortified defensive lines.
But if you weigh your losses and choose to resupply a stronger front, while riskig to lose another, you can still do that tho. Even if it would be a mistake in the end.

Again, what the fuck is the point?
Unless the rail is totally busted, you can still fucking use it back and forth.
Issue with the rail is the Soviet rail lines were shit. They went towards A. Moscow B. Industrial areas and C. Nowhere else. The Germans would have had to lay gobs of new track and support infrastructure in the middle of a war, while they were experiencing a massive resource crunch of everything. Hell, the Atlantic Wall got finished well behind schedule thanks to a lack of fucking concrete for the bunkers, never mind no steel for the Czech hedgehogs they laid.
 
Damn I hate to post about China in a Russia/Ukraine thread but it's important I say that China is retarded and won't come out better. They spent over a year saying they defeated COVID and now are spraying all sorts of chemicals on the roads to "defeat" corona again. Absolute ironic mongs.
It reminds me of the time they waged war on the little boirds.
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Russia-gimps: But downbas, mah Nazis!!

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One of the ironic bits in the happenings thread was the primary account of a white supremacist fighting in Ukraine… for Russia.
 
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The Chinese weren't even all that tough in the Korean War. They did great in their initial advance using highly mobile guerilla infantry to cut off and bypass overextended UN troops in a serious of rapid night battles akin to the Finns pulling motti tactics against the Soviets... but unlike the Soviets we pulled back in surprisingly good order, and when winter set in and their bicycle-by-night logistics train was unable to keep them supplied, reorganized and counterattacked, inflicting well over a million casualties. I had to look this up earlier, and while the Chinese did superbly early on, guerilla forces cannot fight set-piece battles or attack fortified defensive lines.

I remember reading about the Battle of the Imjin River; when they were forced to fight a set-piece battle against an entrenched force, regardless of their wide flanking manoeuvres, they suffered terrible casualties and delays, what was it?
Around six-hundred men holding ten-thousand because they didn't bring anything heavy enough to break through outside traditional charges And that only worked because the Glosters ran out of ammunition.
 
I remember reading about the Battle of the Imjin River; when they were forced to fight a set-piece battle against an entrenched force, regardless of their wide flanking manoeuvres, they suffered terrible casualties and delays, what was it?
Around six-hundred men holding ten-thousand because they didn't bring anything heavy enough to break through outside traditional charges And that only worked because the Glosters ran out of ammunition.
Yep. Here's how well that overall 1951 Spring Offensive went.
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And here's their "victory" in the Third Battle of Seoul
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Congratulations, China. you lost almost 6k men to take a ruined city, and you couldn't even make the UN forces hit four digits for their losses. And not to shit on the Gloster Boys, but...
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Encircled and cut-off, we managed a breakout in the dead of winter that hammered the Chinese.
 
I don't know if you noticed but we've been drowning in Chinese spies for some time who have stolen so much of our tech the feds can't keep up anymore and the Chinese reversed engineered everything yesterday. It's highly likely it's not as good as ours but it doesn't have to be.
And yet most of the crap they'll have are shitty versions of what we have. Corruption will see to that.

Yep. Here's how well that overall 1951 Spring Offensive went.
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And here's their "victory" in the Third Battle of Seoul
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Congratulations, China. you lost almost 6k men to take a ruined city, and you couldn't even make the UN forces hit four digits for their losses. And not to shit on the Gloster Boys, but...
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Encircled and cut-off, we managed a breakout in the dead of winter that hammered the Chinese.
It just seems that both China and Russia, back then and today, use human-wave tactics with nary a thought about the lives of their men. But at least back then, they had a replacement rate which could support such an extended war. Nowadays, neither one of them has such a replacement rate, which means that every dead man is one less potential father in a time where that could have helped stop the population decline.
 
Issue with the rail is the Soviet rail lines were shit. They went towards A. Moscow B. Industrial areas and C. Nowhere else.
They also were built like shit. Russian decapod locomotives were a thing because they had to keep axle loading down or else the rail bed would collapse. Yes, you heard that right. They couldn't use heavily loaded trains or else the railroad itself would fall apart.
 
They also were built like shit. Russian decapod locomotives were a thing because they had to keep axle loading down or else the rail bed would collapse. Yes, you heard that right. They couldn't use heavily loaded trains or else the railroad itself would fall apart.
Oh, I believe it. Russia and poor build quality go hand in hand.
It just seems that both China and Russia, back then and today, use human-wave tactics with nary a thought about the lives of their men. But at least back then, they had a replacement rate which could support such an extended war. Nowadays, neither one of them has such a replacement rate, which means that every dead man is one less potential father in a time where that could have helped stop the population decline.
Indeed. Racking up a massive body count in war will do that to you. France's losses in the Napoleonic Wars let England and the German states and then finally a reunified Germany surpass them in terms of both population and population growth rate, a trend which continued even past WW1. The French built the Maginot line precisely because they took one look at the demographics of both countries and realized that in twenty years Germany would have a massive edge on them in terms of manpower.
 
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