God is a requirement for a free world - You need Jesus.

[Osmosis Jones]

I know I said that I said all I want to say, but I thought of some other things.

-OP mentioned things that "moved people away from the Light". What qualifies? Certain music? Toys? Vidya games? Role Playing Games? Paraphenalia from non Christian religions? If this involves contraband laws, how will they be effectively enforced especially in the age of the internet? Can I keep my collection of obscure scananavian metal and original D&D books?
-Will people be allowed to work on Sunday?
-Will Biblical dietary restrictions be incorporated into the law? If not, why?
-Which, if any, denominations of Chrisitanity will be deemed too Out There to qualify as believing in God?
-Speaking of which, will non Christian Theistic faiths be allowed to propagate?

>Hypotheticals
Again, this thread isn't about my dream utopia. My dream utopia would send people like you to concentration camps, and that's why it only exists in my head. Do you understand that? Do you know that people can imagine scenarios that don't actually apply to reality, and have measured and intelligent down-to-earth conversations based on reality?

Your questions are tangential to the topic and I regret ever entertaining them at all.

I'll reiterate once more since you keep returning to the thread with emotional knee-jerk reactions about why faith is so bad. Either you can't read or you can't remember things. You need your head checked.

1. I posit that God or faith in general is a necessity to have a free world/country/place/earth/home/you choose what this means to you. It's all the same. I say this because without a higher power at work, there is little necessity to believe anyone has intrinsic individual value. If you can tell me where atheists draw meaning from, and why they respect their fellow man other than 'just because,' we'll have made actual progress on the talking points I've presented.

2. I chose Christianity because of its majority following in literally every Western white country. There is no other faith which comes even close to western values than Christian fundamentalism, which I've said over and over again would be necessary to actually draw real palpable meaning from the Bible, and not just interpretations of what it might mean. Don't treat it as poetry and prose, treat it as gospel as it's meant to be. This is to be used as a foundation for all policy in the West, as recognizing that rights are God-given (as opposed to "fundamental rights," government-given, etc.) would be the only way to ensure it is honored indefinitely to a fault.

3. I pose this as an alternative way to develop policy in comparison to modern Leftism. Modern Leftism is the ultimate pox on society. It is what society looks like when you take away all intrinsic value from people and just pick and choose who's good and who isn't based on your own hubris.

Everything that has been kept in the Bible has been kept there for a reason. I would rather follow teachings that have been passed down for 2000-3000 years than listen to false teachers who sound a lot like a fucking commies.

 

[Wormy]

1. I posit that God or faith in general is a necessity to have a free world/country/place/earth/home/you choose what this means to you. It's all the same. I say this because without a higher power at work, there is little necessity to believe anyone has intrinsic individual value. If you can tell me where atheists draw meaning from, and why they respect their fellow man other than 'just because,' we'll have made actual progress on the talking points I've presented.

Part of my point is that Christianity DOESN'T place a value on humanity. We're scum. We're born sinners that deserve naught but eternal torture and unless we do a particular telepathic ritual, that's exactly where we're headed. "There is no want of power in God to cast wicked men into hell at any moment. Men’s hands cannot be strong when God rises up. The strongest have no power to resist him, nor can any deliver out of his hands.—He is not only able to cast wicked men into hell, but he can most easily do it."

You are to regard non Christians as Lost at best, and Satan's Children at worst. "For what relation hath light with darkness?"

Me, I'm content to keep looking for meaning instead of fall back on...that.

Don't treat it as poetry and prose, treat it as gospel as it's meant to be. This is to be used as a foundation for all policy in the West, as recognizing that rights are God-given (as opposed to "fundamental rights," government-given, etc.) would be the only way to ensure it is honored indefinitely to a fault.

Again, though, if you were true to fundamental Christianity, it would NOT be a free society at all. Freedom of Religion would be right out the door, for starters, since "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me." Working on Sunday should be a criminal offense "Thou Shalt Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy". You would be allowed to buy foreigners as slaves for life (though knowing Kiwi Farmers, enslaving non whites isn't exactly a stumbling stone, but it is for normies) . You would not be allowed to eat shell fish, wear garments of different fabrics, or plant crops of two different kinds. This doesn't sound free in the least.

3. I pose this as an alternative way to develop policy in comparison to modern Leftism. Modern Leftism is the ultimate pox on society. It is what society looks like when you take away all intrinsic value from people and just pick and choose who's good and who isn't based on your own hubris.

Fundamental Christianity takes all intrinsic value away too. Who are you to God? You're a filthy sinner worthy of death from birth, And picking your values based on bronze age desert war tribes doesn't sound too much better.

I think there's many, MANY other routes to take other than try to live like Middle Eastern bronze age goat herders. Your proposal of "Leftist troonery or hardcore Christianity" is a false dichotomy.

Everything that has been kept in the Bible has been kept there for a reason. I would rather follow teachings that have been passed down for 2000-3000 years than listen to false teachers who sound a lot like a fucking commies.

Again, no third way? It's either "Bronze Age war tribes or Commies"?

And are you willing to follow ALL those teachings? I don't think so considering what those teachings are.

 

[GoysGoneWild]

>Hypotheticals
Again, this thread isn't about my dream utopia. My dream utopia would send people like you to concentration camps, and that's why it only exists in my head. Do you understand that?

I understand that perfectly. My dream utopia would have you spiritual kikes nailed to the crosses you are so eager to bear.

2. I chose Christianity because of its majority following in literally every Western white country. There is no other faith which comes even close to western values than Christian fundamentalism, which I've said over and over again would be necessary to actually draw real palpable meaning from the Bible, and not just interpretations of what it might mean. Don't treat it as poetry and prose, treat it as gospel as it's meant to be. This is to be used as a foundation for all policy in the West, as recognizing that rights are God-given (as opposed to "fundamental rights," government-given, etc.) would be the only way to ensure it is honored indefinitely to a fault.

This is what you people always do. E Michael Jones is the poster boy for this shit, but you all do it in one slimy form or another. "Western" values means following a foreign religion to you. Europe, and by extension white people, are unable to come up with anything moral or beautiful without accepting original sin and getting down on our knees and worshiping YHWH. Without our Christian faith (the right one mind you, the one you agree with), white people might as well be living in mud huts and fucking each other in the ass.

Get fucked. Talk about self hating. Probably due to the original sin and eternal hell bullshit still swirling around in that tumorous kike-addled brain of yours.

 

[gang weeder]

Pretty sure for the free world, the principles held dear don't need "Because God" as a reason, and can be rationalized out. At best, "because God" is only gonna assuage the dumb people who can't or won't rationalize out their principles and why some things need to be done.
Instead of God/Christianity.

Rather than God, what much of the free world needs right now is to give meaning to a lot of people's lives and a general unification of different groups currently heavily against each other (ironically, a lot of people within these groups are effectively religious zealots.) Problem with this kind of unification is it's gonna take either a long-term effort where everyone has to work together to improve it, or the Stalin method of "shoot anyone who disagrees." The other problem is a lot of the people currently in power don't want people to come together, because that would set the people against them. So they run shit like unequal enforcement of law, constant divisive messaging, political posturing and shit; because dividing and conquering the populace keeps them from uniting and building everyone up.

To give a metaphor, if society was a lasagna, the layers would be made up of things like "rule of law", "social cohesion through similarity", economic well-being", etc., etc. Right now, many sections of that are basically gone, and others are messed up and need repair or replacement. Could religion do that? Possibly, in a few places; but it's not a necessity. At best, the addition of God that way would assuage the dumbest people within society, who actually NEED God to function on a day-to-day basis. For everyone else, bringing back Christianity might be a quick fix, but highly unlikely to work, short of brainwashing or coercing them (which will lead to it's own set of issues.)

Why would disparate and hostile groups of people randomly "come together" with no apparent reason to do so? "People need meaning in their lives but it can't be God." Well okay, what exactly are you putting on offer instead?

I know I said that I said all I want to say, but I thought of some other things.

-OP mentioned things that "moved people away from the Light". What qualifies? Certain music? Toys? Vidya games? Role Playing Games? Paraphenalia from non Christian religions? If this involves contraband laws, how will they be effectively enforced especially in the age of the internet? Can I keep my collection of obscure scananavian metal and original D&D books?
-Will people be allowed to work on Sunday?
-Will Biblical dietary restrictions be incorporated into the law? If not, why?
-Which, if any, denominations of Chrisitanity will be deemed too Out There to qualify as believing in God?
-Speaking of which, will non Christian Theistic faiths be allowed to propagate?

First of all it is funny that you are seething so much over this thread that you came crawling back to it like a strung out junkie admitting defeat after trying to endure the pangs of withdrawal. Second of all the answers to these are highly dependent on specifics. For instance the United States was a very devoutly Christian religious society up until the mid twentieth century, and arguably as late as the 1980s, without anything you imply here ever being seriously considered. OP may simply be advocating for a return to Christianity's status as a prominent cultural force rather than some kind of full-on theocracy.

Now, if you were to ask me personally how I would answer these in some kind of proper "Christian state," I would say:

OP mentioned things that "moved people away from the Light". What qualifies? Certain music? Toys? Vidya games? Role Playing Games? Paraphenalia from non Christian religions? If this involves contraband laws, how will they be effectively enforced especially in the age of the internet? Can I keep my collection of obscure scananavian metal and original D&D books?

The minimum would probably be material that directly denigrates Christ and/or glorifies Satan, as well as pornography of course. I'd probably also put restrictions on anything that depicts LGBTQ or any kind of postmodernism in any kind of non-negative light. Not sure if an outright ban on such subversive materials would be appropriate, cause totally banning them may backfire and give them an aura of "forbidden knowledge." Ideally you would aim for a status more akin to the way Nazism is treated currently. I can go on Amazon and order a copy of Mein Kampf right now no problem legally speaking, but if I started to unironically promote Hitler's ideology in public, I would face swift and harsh social sanctions.

The best way to defeat ideas is not to outright censor them, but simply to pathologize them. You yourself are an example of this. You've been successfully swayed to hate Christianity by those with an agenda to pathologize it, and thus you have internalized Christianity as an unmitigated evil. You are probably going to believe this permanently and irreversibly. This was achieved despite you being surrounded by plenty of Christian ideas and narratives, or at least having easy enough access to them if you wanted to engage with them.

Will people be allowed to work on Sunday?

Yes, if only because some jobs are utterly necessary and cannot simply be ignored because it's Sunday (firefighters, hospital, etc.). Since the average person working a "normal" schedule already does not work on Sunday in Current Year, this would presumably remain the case in our hypothetical Christian society.

Will Biblical dietary restrictions be incorporated into the law? If not, why?

Why would they be? You are confusing Christianity with Judaism here.

Which, if any, denominations of Chrisitanity will be deemed too Out There to qualify as believing in God?

Since we are speaking from a perspective of governance, this would depend on the policies for which they advocate. Obviously, pozzed churches that promote gay sex and other inarguable sins would be out. Abortion would be another deal-breaker. Any denomination that remains within the bounds of proper Christian morality (as in, that which has been believed by most Christians, in most places, at most times) would be allowed, though.

Speaking of which, will non Christian Theistic faiths be allowed to propagate?

Following a faith other than Christianity would be the same as being a non-believer/atheist. If you convert to Buddhism or something, you lose your citizenship and you are encouraged to go live with Buddhists.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Part of my point is that Christianity DOESN'T place a value on humanity. We're scum. We're born sinners that deserve naught but eternal torture and unless we do a particular telepathic ritual, that's exactly where we're headed. "There is no want of power in God to cast wicked men into hell at any moment. Men’s hands cannot be strong when God rises up. The strongest have no power to resist him, nor can any deliver out of his hands.—He is not only able to cast wicked men into hell, but he can most easily do it."

You fool. Being born evil isn't unique to Christianity or even faith. The Left believes men need to be taught not to rape and blacks need to be taught not to kill, so don't get on my ass about how Christianity makes you evil by believing it. Also, time and time again it's been stated that the only thing that prevents entry to heaven is the dismissal of Jesus and his teachings. You have to outright reject them and believe them to be of no value whatsoever, kind of like what you're doing now.

You are to regard non Christians as Lost at best, and Satan's Children at worst. "For what relation hath light with darkness?"

Me, I'm content to keep looking for meaning instead of fall back on...that.

It's not a fallback. All of God's children are lost and seeking light, Christian or not. This also does not only exist in faith. I reckon if you met someone who says they have it all figured out and have all the answers, you'd regard them as insane. Christianity doesn't claim to have the answers to everything, only the right path to follow.

Again, though, if you were true to fundamental Christianity, it would NOT be a free society at all. Freedom of Religion would be right out the door, for starters, since "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me." Working on Sunday should be a criminal offense "Thou Shalt Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy". You would be allowed to buy foreigners as slaves for life (though knowing Kiwi Farmers, enslaving non whites isn't exactly a stumbling stone, but it is for normies) . You would not be allowed to eat shell fish, wear garments of different fabrics, or plant crops of two different kinds. This doesn't sound free in the least.

Again you're imagining that I'm peddling a perfect Christian theocracy. I'm peddling Christian values.

Fundamental Christianity takes all intrinsic value away too. Who are you to God? You're a filthy sinner worthy of death from birth, And picking your values based on bronze age desert war tribes doesn't sound too much better.

Luke 12:7
Luke 12:24
Matthew 10:31

I think there's many, MANY other routes to take other than try to live like Middle Eastern bronze age goat herders. Your proposal of "Leftist troonery or hardcore Christianity" is a false dichotomy.


Again, no third way? It's either "Bronze Age war tribes or Commies"?

And are you willing to follow ALL those teachings? I don't think so considering what those teachings are.

Propose a third option then. I'm not saying there's only two, I only gave two.

 

[GoysGoneWild]

Propose a third option then. I'm not saying there's only two, I only gave two.

Ancestor worship
White shinto
Hell even the CTMU

 

[Shiversblood]

They took God out of the classroom, and then guess what happened? Teachers started to rape the children. And then it got even worse than that and teachers started demanding that young child boys should cut off their own penis! Would you rather believe in God? Or have your penis cut off?

 

[AMHOLIO]

They took God out of the classroom, and then guess what happened? Teachers started to rape the children. And then it got even worse than that and teachers started demanding that young child boys should cut off their own penis! Would you rather believe in God? Or have your penis cut off?

Have my clit cut off.

If teachers weren't raping children before that I'd be surprised.

This thread is a shitshow and it's amazing.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

This thread is a shitshow and it's amazing.

I knew it wouldn't be good but this exceeds my expectations. I love it.

 

[Kickster]

>Hypotheticals
Again, this thread isn't about my dream utopia. My dream utopia would send people like you to concentration camps, and that's why it only exists in my head. Do you understand that? Do you know that people can imagine scenarios that don't actually apply to reality, and have measured and intelligent down-to-earth conversations based on reality?

Your questions are tangential to the topic and I regret ever entertaining them at all.

I'll reiterate once more since you keep returning to the thread with emotional knee-jerk reactions about why faith is so bad. Either you can't read or you can't remember things. You need your head checked.

1. I posit that God or faith in general is a necessity to have a free world/country/place/earth/home/you choose what this means to you. It's all the same. I say this because without a higher power at work, there is little necessity to believe anyone has intrinsic individual value. If you can tell me where atheists draw meaning from, and why they respect their fellow man other than 'just because,' we'll have made actual progress on the talking points I've presented.

2. I chose Christianity because of its majority following in literally every Western white country. There is no other faith which comes even close to western values than Christian fundamentalism, which I've said over and over again would be necessary to actually draw real palpable meaning from the Bible, and not just interpretations of what it might mean. Don't treat it as poetry and prose, treat it as gospel as it's meant to be. This is to be used as a foundation for all policy in the West, as recognizing that rights are God-given (as opposed to "fundamental rights," government-given, etc.) would be the only way to ensure it is honored indefinitely to a fault.

3. I pose this as an alternative way to develop policy in comparison to modern Leftism. Modern Leftism is the ultimate pox on society. It is what society looks like when you take away all intrinsic value from people and just pick and choose who's good and who isn't based on your own hubris.

Everything that has been kept in the Bible has been kept there for a reason. I would rather follow teachings that have been passed down for 2000-3000 years than listen to false teachers who sound a lot like a fucking commies.

Cringe

 

[Ultrapenguin]

The minimum would probably be material that directly denigrates Christ and/or glorifies Satan, as well as pornography of course. I'd probably also put restrictions on anything that depicts LGBTQ or any kind of postmodernism in any kind of non-negative light. Not sure if an outright ban on such subversive materials would be appropriate, cause totally banning them may backfire and give them an aura of "forbidden knowledge." Ideally you would aim for a status more akin to the way Nazism is treated currently. I can go on Amazon and order a copy of Mein Kampf right now no problem legally speaking, but if I started to unironically promote Hitler's ideology in public, I would face swift and harsh social sanctions.

The best way to defeat ideas is not to outright censor them, but simply to pathologize them. You yourself are an example of this. You've been successfully swayed to hate Christianity by those with an agenda to pathologize it, and thus you have internalized Christianity as an unmitigated evil. You are probably going to believe this permanently and irreversibly. This was achieved despite you being surrounded by plenty of Christian ideas and narratives, or at least having easy enough access to them if you wanted to engage with them.

To be honest with you homes, the fact people like you have these entire internal fantasy worlds where you clearly sit around envisioning all the ways you'd enjoy dominating and hurting anyone who doesn't do what you tell them is genuinely fucking disturbing. That shit isn't normal, even if these days it's way more common than it should be.

You are in every way shape and form a classic control obsessed leftist with some labels switched around, down to your obsession with children and their sexuality as an outlet for control and a target for grooming into your ideology. You better listen to me and not question, you don't want to die a bigot and wind up on the wrong side of history. You better listen to me, you don't want to die a sinner and wind up in hell.

I guess the point I'm getting at here is that you suck. One of the major tenets of Christianity is humility.

If you can tell me where atheists draw meaning from, and why they respect their fellow man other than 'just because,' we'll have made actual progress on the talking points I've presented.

Well there are a few places.

- Like I said, the idea of self actualization. The feeling of control over yourself and your environment you gain from growth and attainment is potentially one of the most intoxicating one could have; it's that same feeling of control transhumanists desperately try to achieve through obsession with their body, and if available people will usually take it over any drug.

- Respect for fellow man comes from the emotional mechanisms of empathy that serve as a survival mechanism. You respect your fellow man because in general that respect will resonate which makes you feel closer to people and things which feels nice. It lowers blood pressure and reduces inflammation and other shit. It's also how you win allies, how you avoid getting your ass kicked when you're in a culturally foreign area, it helps you learn since you don't write people off due to surface level features...respect is very beneficial, and if you learn to respect the world it will respect you back.
So if it feels rewarding to be able to get along with people, it helps you avoid danger, and it helps you become stronger, why wouldn't you do it?

- Respect for man also comes from the understanding of the outrageous complexities involved in life and all the systems that all work in concert to make us able to do even the most basic things. Respect for nature means respect for man, since man is a product of nature and the universe.


Wait a second, why the fuck am I even saying this? I know Nietzsche came to all these same conclusions ages ago, bands like Tool have made songs about it. Maybe if you spent more time actually respecting man instead of pretending to in order to feel superior, maybe you would already know the answer to all this? Here, here's a big cut from the wikipedia page on Thus Spoke Zarathustra and the idea of the ubermensch/the death of abrahamic religion:

Spoiler

Actually, now that I think about it he had another very pertinent quote for Gang Weeder:

 

[Wormy]

You fool. Being born evil isn't unique to Christianity or even faith. The Left believes men need to be taught not to rape and blacks need to be taught not to kill, so don't get on my ass about how Christianity makes you evil by believing it.

Guess what, sunshine; I don't buy The Left's notions of Original Sin EITHER. The concept is stupid whether it's coming from a priest or some dangerhair. Just that one wants me to feel guilty over Adam and Eve and the other wants me to do so because some white guys in the past were pricks. Fuck em both.

Also, time and time again it's been stated that the only thing that prevents entry to heaven is the dismissal of Jesus and his teachings.

If you aren't saved by Christ, you're damned. It's as simple as that. You wanna fight about it, go argue with the preachers, I ain't the one selling that product.

You have to outright reject them and believe them to be of no value whatsoever, kind of like what you're doing now.

Yea, you aren't going to make me believe that owning people as property is A-Okay, that pigeon's blood cures leprosy, that raped women should marry their rapist, and that people who eat shellfish or work on the Sabbath need to be stoned in the town square. Sorry if you thought you were going to sway me on that.

I repeat; I will follow no religion that says Junko Furuta is in Hell, and the Son of Sam is in Heaven. Fuck that.

I reckon if you met someone who says they have it all figured out and have all the answers, you'd regard them as insane.

Well, more like naive and arrogant.

Christianity doesn't claim to have the answers to everything, only the right path to follow.

Uh, yes, it does. God Did It. Become a new person washed in the blood of Christ, and boom, heaven bound.

Again you're imagining that I'm peddling a perfect Christian theocracy. I'm peddling Christian values.

And Christian or Biblical values are NOT conducive to freedom. Can values be influenced by Christianity and conducive? Of course they can. We're an example of Christian INFLUENCED values. Know the difference.

But take the product unfiltered and no, what you get is anything but freedom.

Unless you think the death penalty for eating shellfish is a sign of freedom.

Propose a third option then. I'm not saying there's only two, I only gave two.

You want a simple third option, here ya go. I'm spitballing here, granted, but here's something.

Encourage a system of spirituality that teaches personal growth, self control, responsibility for one's own actions, well placed compassion, a willingness to defend what it yours if and only when it is directly threatened, and a sense of duty or at least ethical treatment to people DESPITE YOUR FUCKING DIFFERNCES WITH THEM influenced by the better parts of multiple philosophies and religions, leave the supernatural minutia and rituals up to the individual without the law getting involved.

Is that Cafeteria Religion? You fuckin right it is, and I like it.

Now you'll probably poke holes in it, so go to it.

They took God out of the classroom

Man, omnipotence ain't what it's cracked up to be.

Would you rather believe in God? Or have your penis cut off?

I can do neither one. And I have. Fuck your false dichotomy with a cactus.

 

[gang weeder]

Encourage a system of spirituality that teaches personal growth, self control, responsibility for one's own actions, well placed compassion, a willingness to defend what it yours if and only when it is directly threatened, and a sense of duty or at least ethical treatment to people DESPITE YOUR FUCKING DIFFERNCES WITH THEM influenced by the better parts of multiple philosophies and religions, leave the supernatural minutia and rituals up to the individual without the law getting involved.

Is that Cafeteria Religion? You fuckin right it is, and I like it.

Now you'll probably poke holes in it, so go to it.

All of that is completely compatible with Christianity expect maybe the very last part about "supernatural minutia." Why would you expect people to take up your literally spitballed-on-the-spot "cafeteria religion" instead of the one that's been an integral part of European culture and heritage for the past two millenia, with all the philosophical and theological scholarship one would expect from a two-thousand-year-old religion? Just because daddy was mean and you're mad at him? Get a grip.

To be honest with you homes, the fact people like you have these entire internal fantasy worlds where you clearly sit around envisioning all the ways you'd enjoy dominating and hurting anyone who doesn't do what you tell them is genuinely fucking disturbing. That shit isn't normal, even if these days it's way more common than it should be.

Says the guy who said straight up that killing babies is based. Very normal.

 

[formershroomeryuser]

They took God out of the classroom, and then guess what happened? Teachers started to rape the children. And then it got even worse than that and teachers started demanding that young child boys should cut off their own penis! Would you rather believe in God? Or have your penis cut off?

Believe in god! Of course! Much better then amputate penis and rape

 

[Duke Nukem]

Would-be theocrat dictators are just as awful as would-be communist dictators. Escape From New York or Demolition Man? You guys suck.

 

[Mothra1988]

Again, this thread isn't about my dream utopia. My dream utopia would send people like you to concentration camps, and that's why it only exists in my head.

You're not a Christian. lol

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Would-be theocrat dictators are just as awful as would-be communist dictators. Escape From New York or Demolition Man? You guys suck.

I am a democrat because I believe that no man or group of men is good enough to be trusted with uncontrolled power over others. And the higher the pretensions of such power, the more dangerous I think it both to rulers and to the subjects. Hence Theocracy is the worst of all governments. If we must have a tyrant a robber barron is far better than an inquisitor. The baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point may be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing wrong he may possibly repent. But the inquisitor who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us infinitely more because he torments us with the approval of his own conscience and his better impulses appear to him as temptations.
And since Theocracy is the worst, the nearer any government approaches to Theocracy the worse it will be. A metaphysic held by the rulers with the force of a religion, is a bad sign. It forbids them, like the inquisitor, to admit any grain of truth or good in their opponents, it abrogates the ordinary rules of morality, and it gives a seemingly high, super-personal sanction to all the very ordinary human passions by which, like other men, the rulers will frequently be actuated. In a word, it forbids wholesome doubt. A political programme can never in reality be more than probably right. We never know all the facts about the present and we can only guess the future. To attach to a party programme — whose highest claim is to reasonable prudence — the sort of assent which we should reserve for demonstrable theorems, is a kind of intoxication.

--CS Lewis.

 

[Blake Chortles]

I think what people forget is that God judges all nations, not just Israel and his Church. All know God’s law as its written on their hearts. And there are consequences for ignoring it not just on an individual basis but on a societal level.

Revelation is mostly a giant covenant lawsuit against Israel and Rome. The prophets were mostly describing covenant lawsuits with Israel.

God didn’t explicitly give the Law to the tribes in canaan but the land still cast them out for their rebellion against the law.

You may not be a Christian but God can and does judge nations. If you want a quick summary of the process romans 1 is a 1 page step by step guide of how God judges nations and its basically a history of America since the 50s. Its a pattern. It ends in dissolution or revival.

I can’t make you a Christian and any Christian who claims to have saved anyone either is a fraud or needs to read their Bible more. Your exhorting draws the Elect of God and the Holy Spirit changing their heart is what saves them, not your killer sermon. Any theonomist could tell you forced conversion is a ridiculous notion.

A hypothetical Christian society would be one much like early America. Look at the blessings it received after the Great Awakening.

 

[ICametoLurk]

John Adams would think so

I liked the part where he declared War on the Press.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

But what if that god demands I have to do things I don't wanna do? Such as not have sex outside of marriage, or to stop saying the N-word?