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Maybe hot take possibly, considering we're on this track on talking about EW's story again so I'll talk about something else that hasn't been completely discussed to death (I think).
The new power system most people say was introduced in EW is not some shit that came out of nowhere, it has been arguably in the game since at least HW (or even ARR depending on how you interpert Bard's initial lore or if you count that as anything) and has continued on up until EW through various moments mostly found in side quests. The side quest arcs actually matter and have since at latest Shadowbringers considering CT used to be an optional side arc (Alexander and Omega are also important in ShB too), because they build upon and add things to the overall world that do get introduced later here or there. Estinien was nothing but the Dragoon level 50 boss fight once upon a time, and he became important in 2.4 and has since continued to be varying degrees of relevant so knowing side quests and having them add something isn't inherently new to FFXIV imo. So I count them and don't just ignore them because they aren't in the MSQ.
I pretty much understood exactly what was going on since the moment "Akasha" was brought up, because that whole speech has been a relevant power system since Dark Knight (insert my 25 page long autismo essay about Dark Knight here), it got referenced with Bard and Dancer due to their focuses on song/dance, and Omega's plot line hints at it heavily as well because Omega quite literally can't understand what's going on when he loses despite being a supercomputer brained advanced AI war machine who has more autistic parameter measurment spreadsheets then The Balance because he only could measure aether properly.
I put EW roughly around HW with ShB being the highest, but SB is still the worse to me because it disappointed me more often and bored me more throughout and I feel further emboldened on this opinion after leveling Monk and Red Mage. Because holy shit Ala Mhigo could have actually had something interesting going on, but they use fucking none of it to talk about muh oppression for fucking ever and ever and ever. Monk got robbed. HW I have issues with such as how absolutely sidelined Ysayle gets compared to Haurchefant (and frankly I thought Ysayle was more interesting despite knowing her for less time), and Haurchefant gets referenced too damned much now that it is starting to get old. Also Bismarck is fucking worthless fluff which really sucks for a whole trial fight, at least Ravana has an interesting interaction with Ysayle.
The new power system most people say was introduced in EW is not some shit that came out of nowhere, it has been arguably in the game since at least HW (or even ARR depending on how you interpert Bard's initial lore or if you count that as anything) and has continued on up until EW through various moments mostly found in side quests. The side quest arcs actually matter and have since at latest Shadowbringers considering CT used to be an optional side arc (Alexander and Omega are also important in ShB too), because they build upon and add things to the overall world that do get introduced later here or there. Estinien was nothing but the Dragoon level 50 boss fight once upon a time, and he became important in 2.4 and has since continued to be varying degrees of relevant so knowing side quests and having them add something isn't inherently new to FFXIV imo. So I count them and don't just ignore them because they aren't in the MSQ.
I pretty much understood exactly what was going on since the moment "Akasha" was brought up, because that whole speech has been a relevant power system since Dark Knight (insert my 25 page long autismo essay about Dark Knight here), it got referenced with Bard and Dancer due to their focuses on song/dance, and Omega's plot line hints at it heavily as well because Omega quite literally can't understand what's going on when he loses despite being a supercomputer brained advanced AI war machine who has more autistic parameter measurment spreadsheets then The Balance because he only could measure aether properly.
Gosetsu gets ruined too hard imo for me to agree with this and he was the only great part in SB before he gets cucked by the writing to prop up Yotsuyu later.
I put EW roughly around HW with ShB being the highest, but SB is still the worse to me because it disappointed me more often and bored me more throughout and I feel further emboldened on this opinion after leveling Monk and Red Mage. Because holy shit Ala Mhigo could have actually had something interesting going on, but they use fucking none of it to talk about muh oppression for fucking ever and ever and ever. Monk got robbed. HW I have issues with such as how absolutely sidelined Ysayle gets compared to Haurchefant (and frankly I thought Ysayle was more interesting despite knowing her for less time), and Haurchefant gets referenced too damned much now that it is starting to get old. Also Bismarck is fucking worthless fluff which really sucks for a whole trial fight, at least Ravana has an interesting interaction with Ysayle.
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Agreed. Ala Mhigger remains the worst parts of SB and the game to date.
Say what you want about EW areas in terms of lore, but they're basically winners in terms of variety and design. (The shitty Sharlayan area aside.) I wouldn't be surprised if they designed it first, then only bent the story to give you an excuse to visit.
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Can someone please tell me if Eorzea at large has been told that our beloved God is dead and that we killed them.
It continues to be the thing that bothers me the most after finishing the MSQ. For me that was such a big deal but like, no one seems to care?
It continues to be the thing that bothers me the most after finishing the MSQ. For me that was such a big deal but like, no one seems to care?
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Maybe they'll address it in a future story update.
Maybe.
Not gonna lie, I also find that weird since it's not stirring up a huge fuss.
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Was Hydaelyn ever a huge religious figure throughout the world itself and not just specifically for the Scions and WoL? To my recollection most people only really cared about the twelve (or Kami in Doma, or whatever Thavnair called their gods) and were pretty passive about worship for Hydaelyn specifically. The only exception was the Scions due to Minfilla's connection to her and because "may you walk the crystals' light' is neutral enough to better represent what the Scions are as a 3rd party force for general good. As opposed to "May you walk in Halone's halls." or "May Thaliak give you wisdom." or "Byregot guide my hammer."
I don't think she is relevant like say if Halone just died and Ishgard now has no goddess, that would be an absolute disaster. That and we effectively inherited her will and purpose at this point, and obviously people trust and believe in us far more then some crystal they never see. I don't even think Hydaelyn even had a church or a notable fellowship, while Halone has the entirety of Ishgard, Rhaglr has Ala Mhigo, and etc.
I don't think she is relevant like say if Halone just died and Ishgard now has no goddess, that would be an absolute disaster. That and we effectively inherited her will and purpose at this point, and obviously people trust and believe in us far more then some crystal they never see. I don't even think Hydaelyn even had a church or a notable fellowship, while Halone has the entirety of Ishgard, Rhaglr has Ala Mhigo, and etc.
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Yeah, they made a point of how Louisoix specifically tried to invoke the twelve, not hydaelyn.
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When they brought him back from the dead marks the clearest point at which the writing team has been neutered - he had a fine arc that really added weight to the middle of the narrative, but now we're not going to have anyone suffer any consequences ever. It's the same issue with ShB's midsection and EW's conclusion - you've got a series of wonderful arcs, but we wouldn't want to mess up the merchandising opportunities by giving anyone a satisfying ending, now, would we?
Gosetsu's return in the Doma role quests kindof highlights how robbed of purpose the character is - he shows up, faffs around, makes some jokes, saves the day with an asspull, and then fucks off again. His inclusion honestly irks me, since those quests were starting to give some badly-needed characterization to Hien and Yugiri before he shows up.
The healing role quests in EW make it sting all the more, because they're actually good. The core cast of Raubahn, Arenvald, and Fordola manage to make one of the worst parts of the game far more bearable and indeed even interesting because the writers focus on a small handful of themes and... actually explore them.
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Dynamis has been a thing in XI forever and it was referenced in Bozja of all things. It's hardly an ass-pull. Just more of XIV trying to refine XI's story beats.
Most people have some concept of the world itself having a mind and consciousness but it's more of an abstract thing than a literal crystal mommy.
The only people who really know about Hydaelyn are people with the echo and their hangers-on (basically just the Sharlayans). The Scions of the Seventh Dawn explicitly try to downplay public knowledge of her existence in ARR.
Most people have some concept of the world itself having a mind and consciousness but it's more of an abstract thing than a literal crystal mommy.
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Dynamis is also just another power-up with a different name from the Blessing of Light in my eyes. Mind I also knew about Dynamis from XI so to me it wasn't all that shocking. Made sense as a new.. 'thing' to excuse how the WoL can conveniently shitslap whatever the new issue is.
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Unrelated to the topic at hand.
I am in a discord (gay, I know) with some people in an extended social circle IRL who all started playing at the tail end of ShB when the WoW exodus began, and holy shit the complaints and "QoL" ideas they have for this game are horrifying, you left WoW because of this shit, don't come and ruin my fucking game with your crappy suggestions. And shocker, it's full of troons and fags.
Is this what WoW players felt like back in the day when I was called a Wrath Baby?
I am in a discord (gay, I know) with some people in an extended social circle IRL who all started playing at the tail end of ShB when the WoW exodus began, and holy shit the complaints and "QoL" ideas they have for this game are horrifying, you left WoW because of this shit, don't come and ruin my fucking game with your crappy suggestions. And shocker, it's full of troons and fags.
Is this what WoW players felt like back in the day when I was called a Wrath Baby?
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Yeah, that's pretty apt.Is this what WoW players felt like back in the day when I was called a Wrath Baby?
What kind of complaints/QoL stuff do they talk about? You've piqued my interest.
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"Muh Addons"
- Game unplayable with out the ElvUi plug-in.
- Game unplayable with out shoving my ACT parse data into a website to tell me how I should play my class. (Learn to fucking read your tool tips.)
- Game unplayable on patch day because of said addons being broken.
- Melties around the recent addon drama.
- Complaining that PF takes too long to fill up - it was a P3S LEARNING party on a Monday at 11am on MATERIA.
- Overmelds shouldn't be a thing. (Crafting has been gutted as is already, please, no more.)
- Relic weapons take too long to build.
- Complaining about queue times and talking like they actually know anything about coding and engineering, just fix it bro lol.
Other lol moments include.
- Bragging about /played time circle jerk.
- Healer complaining that if he wants to parse 100 he cannot do any healing at all.
- Unironic simping and horny posting for fictional characters. I am embarrassed that I have met a lot of these people.
- Oversharing mental health/meds/therapy/I'm gay.
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I've cleared a tier with crafted gear with just guaranteed melds. Mind you the rest of my party had better gear but it's not even remotely necessary to overmeld (just makes prog slightly easier). And in any case, unless you really care about clearing week one, you're going to be getting better gear from the first two turns of savage and your weekly tome gear anyway.
They're faster than most WoW legendaries and the newer ones are built concurrently at several steps. It's a baby-tier grind by WoW standards.
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I don't know what I expected.
The sperg in me wants to hit every bullet point and reiterate why they're being retarded, but it doesn't even need to be said lol. I'll just touch on a few instead...
As far as addons go, I don't care if people use them. I use them. But if you literally can't play without them? Then they're a crutch and you probably suck to begin with. People take parsing and stuff way too seriously. And it's usually not the best players who get the most upset about this kinda stuff either lol.
The PF thing is really hilarious to me. Maybe if they'd tried to learn it a few months ago (or on the weekend at prime time hours) they would've had more luck lol. Like how are you gonna complain about something that you chose to do?
Seems like a classic case of raidtrannies to me...
Oh. Well that answers that I guess lol.
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Stormblood would've been about a billion times better had Lyse sacrificed herself in place of Papalymo and the focus of the that part of the expansion was on Raubahn. You have a character that the audience is familiar with, has a connection to the region we're adventuring in, has actually suffered what with losing an arm and has a personal investment due to the crap with Ilberd. Then you can have the conflicted feelings that Lyse angsted through all of StB in, but instead Papalymo would be questioning his involvement in fighting a war he has no personal connection to and blahblahblah. Or hell, just axe that whole subplot entirely.
I think the devs realized this because the focus awkwardly shifts towards him at the end of the expansion. I have no idea why the fuck they did what they did with Lyse, but I assume this is some weird Japanese thing and she's beloved by the Japanese fans or something.
And yeah, agreed on Haurcefant. Let that obnoxious fop rot in the ground he was buried in. Please.
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The call back was cute in like, pre/early ShB, it has been more and more annoying each time beyond that.
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I do agree with that even though I liked him a lot. Kinda weird how Ysayle is mostly just shrugged off in comparison.
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This is why I hate all the Haurchefant worship. Ysayle is frankly more interesting and she just gets fucking scammed compared to him due to how quotable Haurchefant is by comparison. I get why the WoL brings it up a lot over his/her due to personal attachment, but that to me is just a fault in how Ysayle was handled in general more then Haurchefant's actual strength as a character. I was so damn happy when she got her big EW reference near the end, that was probably the best callback moment for me in that entire 6.0 section.
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I'm torn about the pacing. I would like it if they went with their original plan and do the Garlemald expansion and give themselves more time to develop the Ancients but at the same time, I know they just want to move on from Ascians already.
I find it interesting that you can see traces of dynamis in previous quests.
Dark Knights taps into a hidden power that eats away their life if they're not careful and it's powered by a strong emotion.
Dancers goes around expelling 'despair'.
In the Ivalice quests, anyone using auracite can transform due to a strong emotion much like the games they were referencing but they differ a lot from blasphemies as they can still maintain their aether. There's even a theory that Ultima is actually a meteion.
Dancers goes around expelling 'despair'.
In the Ivalice quests, anyone using auracite can transform due to a strong emotion much like the games they were referencing but they differ a lot from blasphemies as they can still maintain their aether. There's even a theory that Ultima is actually a meteion.
Speaking of WoW and addons, I will never understand the people who make intentionally cluttered UIs. I saw one that had Bayonetta and Dante on the sides and wondered how the hell is that helpful.