Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

God help the hospital when the press and public catch on. Potentially another Charlie Gard.
& Alfie Evans. When the police get involved to ensure your kid dies that's a level of fucked up to avoid.

Say what you will about the cost benefit of keeping an extremely disabled person alive but if the same medical system is happy to shell out funds for costly and unnecessary procedures (such as trans'ing) one would think life support wouldn't come with arbitrary time limits.
 
Say what you will about the cost benefit of keeping an extremely disabled person alive but if the same medical system is happy to shell out funds for costly and unnecessary procedures (such as trans'ing) one would think life support wouldn't come with arbitrary time limits.
I think some distinction should be made between an extremely disabled person and something that while in human (or nearly human) form, lacks all the traits of personhood. When resources are limited, they should be saved for the living.
 
What happened to Tinslee that she ended up so disabled again?
Poor little thing, i wish she could quietly pass away instead of being forced to suffer
Tinslee lost the genetic lottery and has multiple severe diseases. Individually they would be really fucking bad, and together they're not compatible with life. Her heart and lungs are completely fucked. Her heart is so fragile that if she just moves a little it could send her into full cardiac arrest and kill her, and since her mom won't let nature take it's course, she has to be sedated at all times.

The hospital staff told the judge that even with preventive measures in place they still had to revive her multiple times a day, and that taking care of Tinslee was genuinely upsetting for everyone because Tinslee is incompatible with "do no harm" in order to stay alive.
 
I think some distinction should be made between an extremely disabled person and something that while in human (or nearly human) form, lacks all the traits of personhood. When resources are limited, they should be saved for the living.
It's possible for brain dead patients to regain further measurable signs of life and for loved ones the hope of a crippled child is much better than a dead one.

The point of contention for me is pulling the plug for the sake of freeing up space or other resources when the healthcare system has an obligation to treat and maintain life. I'd argue that life support should be made for in home settings and allow a carer to be assigned there, it would free up hospital space.

I don't see these cases as massive drains on the system compared to other expenditures. Ignorance helps though, I have no idea as to the number of vegetable patients.
 
It's possible for brain dead patients to regain further measurable signs of life and for loved ones the hope of a crippled child is much better than a dead one.
In these tard baby cases, most of the time we're talking about someone who never even had a brain in the first place, or something that wouldn't be good enough for a lizard.
 
It's possible for brain dead patients to regain further measurable signs of life and for loved ones the hope of a crippled child is much better than a dead one.

The point of contention for me is pulling the plug for the sake of freeing up space or other resources when the healthcare system has an obligation to treat and maintain life. I'd argue that life support should be made for in home settings and allow a carer to be assigned there, it would free up hospital space.

I don't see these cases as massive drains on the system compared to other expenditures. Ignorance helps though, I have no idea as to the number of vegetable patients.
Brain-dead is the same as straight up dead for all intents and purposes, and no one can become un-dead after being that way for longer than a few minutes. Go find another board to shitpost on so we can get back to tard baby discussions in peace.
 
Brain-dead is the same as straight up dead for all intents and purposes, and no one can become un-dead after being that way for longer than a few minutes. Go find another board to shitpost on so we can get back to tard baby discussions in peace.
I'm contributing to the discussion you idiot fag but I'll spare you any further essays.

My sperg is about the UK habit of deciding when brain dead kids can be pulled and enforcing it in law. If you think that's cool then you're unsmart.
 
Where did you see the "shitload of pressors"? I only counted one ("vasapresson" did they mean vasopressin?) --E: I guess hydrocortisone also counts but are they using it as a pressor in this case?

It's a very underwhelming med list to be quite honest. I was expecting to see levo/vaso/epi/dobutamine/amio, like actual ICU life support meds. All I see here is typical maintenance meds/fluids, stuff that could be given in a med/surg ward, nothing dire.
levo is used as a pressor to hold up blood pressure in brain death patients.


he's also on vasopressin, hydro, and is getting deltaparin which is used specifically in brain death to prevent swelling in the meninges.

that's 3 pressors plus the excess fluids. it's a hell of a lot for a child sized corpse.

they're giving him so much fluid that they've got meds on board to keep his brain from just exploding or his eye sockets. I would bet money he's getting epi PRN.
 
My sperg is about the UK habit of deciding when brain dead kids can be pulled and enforcing it in law. If you think that's cool then you're unsmart.
I agree about the UK actually stopping parents from seeking help if they can pay for it, but I don't think enormous amounts of public money that could be helping actual people should be spent watering potatoes for a million a year or so.
 
Being disabled or just tarded is not justification for euthanasia. Euthanasia requiring paperwork and medical notes and all the gatekeeping is the correct approach. It's not reversible.
With cases like Tinslee where constant pain is assured that process should be expedited, not stalled.

Being dead, and withdrawing machinery that's pumping fluids into a corpse, isn't euthanasia. That person is dead, already dead. There's nothing to keep "alive". It's a corpse. If the machines are doing the work, turn them off. 8 billion people walking around, your precious genetic heritage is no more important than any other, let that pile of meat go.
 
How is keeping corpses of dead children pointlessly on life support moral?
It is the duty of healthcare to preserve life. Cost and arbitrary timelines of care only make sense when unnecessary medical procedures are not covered. But they are. So why restrict care when someone is on life support? Being brain dead is only a portion of actual death and it has been a temporary phase in some cases. The costs can be cut elsewhere such as elective procedures or have the next of kin pay towards the keep.

Because this is a thread for mocking dying kids and not some ethics debate I will leave you to your fun.
 
It is the duty of healthcare to preserve life. Cost and arbitrary timelines of care only make sense when unnecessary medical procedures are not covered. But they are. So why restrict care when someone is on life support? Being brain dead is only a portion of actual death and it has been a temporary phase in some cases. The costs can be cut elsewhere such as elective procedures or have the next of kin pay towards the keep.

Because this is a thread for mocking dying kids and not some ethics debate I will leave you to your fun.
They're not alive, they're brain dead. Brain dead is dead
 
It is the duty of healthcare to preserve life. Cost and arbitrary timelines of care only make sense when unnecessary medical procedures are not covered. But they are. So why restrict care when someone is on life support? Being brain dead is only a portion of actual death and it has been a temporary phase in some cases. The costs can be cut elsewhere such as elective procedures or have the next of kin pay towards the keep.
Brain death is never a temporary condition it is a medical diagnosis. But the brain may be dead and the brain stem is still alive which allows for respiration, heart beat, etc. Primitive reflexes also return mimicing life.

The very few people who woke up from long comas were not in a good state either:
 
No. It's a phase of death, you need to stop the circulatory system as well.
meaning you've got to turn off the machine that is doing that, stop giving the heap of drugs that's making it do it

it's a mechanical process being regulated by chemicals and machinery outside the corpse.
 
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