Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I think they recognized that there’s no point in censoring your films for China if you’re going to just squeeze at most a few million from there except if you’re making the most pro-Chinese military, anti-foreigner, CGI-infected schlock out there like Transformers.
It also helps that Tencent backed out of their share of financing the movie because Top Gun was too pro-America (wow, who'da thunk). So with no Chinese investors or apparatchiks to please, there was no reason not to restore the jacket to how it was, and no reason to include any China pandering at all. And now the movie is the biggest opening of Tom Cruise's career (and the biggest Memorial Day weekend opening ever) and it's being praised left and right by both critics and the general public. Remember when Hollywood movies were made for Americans first and didn't get chopped to bits to appeal to foreign markets? I sure do miss those days.

Really, it just goes to show that if a cast and crew are truly dedicated to delivering quality entertainment, then Hollywood can still make good movies. It's a shame that far too many studios (cough cough Disney) prefer to take an adversarial approach to the general public, as we've seen most recently with claiming that anyone who doesn't like Strong Independent Black Inquisitor Who Don't Need No Jedi is a dirty filthy racist. That's when they're not pandering to gays or China, shoehorning The Message™ anywhere they can, or vomiting up a CGI nightmare in place of an actual movie.

Seriously though, I've said this elsewhere, but if you haven't seen Top Gun: Maverick, you owe it to yourself to go do it. See it on the biggest screen you can, soak in all the actual jets flying around, marvel at all the dedication it took to pull it all off, and enjoy a simple but entertaining as hell movie that doesn't shit all over the original.
 
I just watched this edit and dear lord it's so cringe. Vader sounds like he's written by a 14 year old trying to sound cool.
The fact that he's just reciting the events of RO and saying them out loud just makes the inconsistencies that movie causes all the more blatant.
It also helps that Tencent backed out of their share of financing the movie because Top Gun was too pro-America (wow, who'da thunk). So with no Chinese investors or apparatchiks to please, there was no reason not to restore the jacket to how it was, and no reason to include any China pandering at all. And now the movie is the biggest opening of Tom Cruise's career (and the biggest Memorial Day weekend opening ever) and it's being praised left and right by both critics and the general public. Remember when Hollywood movies were made for Americans first and didn't get chopped to bits to appeal to foreign markets? I sure do miss those days.

Really, it just goes to show that if a cast and crew are truly dedicated to delivering quality entertainment, then Hollywood can still make good movies. It's a shame that far too many studios (cough cough Disney) prefer to take an adversarial approach to the general public, as we've seen most recently with claiming that anyone who doesn't like Strong Independent Black Inquisitor Who Don't Need No Jedi is a dirty filthy racist. That's when they're not pandering to gays or China, shoehorning The Message™ anywhere they can, or vomiting up a CGI nightmare in place of an actual movie.

Seriously though, I've said this elsewhere, but if you haven't seen Top Gun: Maverick, you owe it to yourself to go do it. See it on the biggest screen you can, soak in all the actual jets flying around, marvel at all the dedication it took to pull it all off, and enjoy a simple but entertaining as hell movie that doesn't shit all over the original.
It also disproves the retarded notion that the only way to make a sequel is to "reset" the characters and the setting back to square one and be made losers again to retell the same story. And to think it was a common defense used by faggots who tried to defend disney's nu-wars and the new Terminator film, among others.
 
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I hate to shill Top Gun again so soon after my last post but, well let's just say current year media conditioned me to expect a lot of bullshit from it that I was pleasantly surprised to see completely absent. It actually subverted my expectations by not subverting them at all, you see every line and payoff coming from a mile away but it plays them completely straight without a hint of irony, it's practically the anti-TLJ and not in a completely retarded way like TROS was.
I assume because it's a tom cruise flick, haven't checked if he has a producer credit but tom cruise is a bit notorious for getting very involved in his movies to the point they literally turn into tom cruise movies (for better or worse). he's one of the few big enough names in hollywood left, and if you pull some shit you'll get a visit by sea org.

also regarding leia, unless I missed something wasn't the whole fucking point before ANH that no one knew she was a skywalker after she was adopted/raised by relatives on alderaan (iirc EP3 also fucked with the OT since leia tells luke about their mother, so must have been alive longer)?
 
It also disproves the retarded notion that the characters and the setting need to be "reset" back to square one and be made losers again to retell the same story is the only way to make a sequel.
People genuinely believed TFA being a lazy rehash was ok because the next movie was somehow going to be wildly original and unique while also delivering on the mystery boxes and being good on its own at the same time.

I have yet to think of an instance in a sequel where that has actually happened. I've can't even think of a time where something like that turned out well.
I assume because it's a tom cruise flick, haven't checked if he has a producer credit but tom cruise is a bit notorious for getting very involved in his movies to the point they literally turn into tom cruise movies (for better or worse). he's one of the few big enough names in hollywood left, and if you pull some shit you'll get a visit by sea org.
I've been thinking about what would have happened if someone like Mark Hamill produced the sequels. He would have demanded the OT characters get treated with dignity because it's his money on the line. I know if George had produced the sequels they wouldn't have turned out the way they did at all. That's why they got rid of his ass as quickly as possible.
 
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also regarding leia, unless I missed something wasn't the whole fucking point before ANH that no one knew she was a skywalker after she was adopted/raised by relatives on alderaan (iirc EP3 also fucked with the OT since leia tells luke about their mother, so must have been alive longer)?
I think there's some hand waiving that she must have had visions of Padme through the force.

I'm half expecting Obi-Wan to somehow use the force to show her Padme. As that seems like the dumb they would do.
 
So I thought they got a really good soundalike to play Darth Vader in Keonbi but I guess it's actually some type of computer generated voice synthesis technology Disney has now.
At this point why even use actors at all?
Reading the reactions to this absolute piece of shit in the comments is some of the most soul-rending shit I've been subjected to. These cumsoomers have no idea what good writing and creativity look like.
Read the comments section on any video of the Vader hallway scene from Rogue One. It's the same shit. All you need to do to please these dorks is shove Darth Vader in their faces and they'll start consooming the product and masturbating at the same time.
And to think these are the same idiots who also consider this crap to be a good plot line:

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And they (and its creator) actually consider this fan edit to be "great dialogue" despite sounding like a borderline parody and they want it to be added to ANH because 'muh hallway scene canon'.

Youtube commenters are borderline braindead consoomers of the most vapid order. Even worse than redditors. Also notice how one in every three of those commenters are just empty accounts with no favorites, likes or subscriptions. I honestly think Youtube might have as many bots as twitter by now.
This scene really drives home how stupid Vader was in Rogue One. He had the data tape right there, but he decided to play Michael Myers in the hallway for no reason instead of just force freezing the guys (thanks Kylo) and grabbing it from them. Then he sees the Tanitive IV hyperspace away, Leia lies to him about some diplomatic mission and he never calls her out on it.
 
So I thought they got a really good soundalike to play Darth Vader in Keonbi but I guess it's actually some type of computer generated voice synthesis technology Disney has now.
At this point why even use actors at all?
Yeah, it's been clear for quite some time now that James Earl Jones just doesn't quite have the voice he used to, which is understandable considering he's 91 years old now. You could tell how off he was voicing Vader in Rogue One, and it's even more sad hearing him try to do Mufasa again in the godawful Lion King remake. Jon Favreau trying to say that no, his voice is actually even better for the role is a great example of complete corporate BS:

And for more corporate BS, Favreau also lied about not using any takes from the original Lion King, which is ridiculously obvious when you listen to some of Mufasa's lines back to back:

So I'm not surprised they just deepfaked his voice here, same as when they did robo-Luke in Mando/Borba Fatt. Why go to the trouble of finding a good voice actor and paying them for their time and talent when you can just run a bunch of voice clips through a machine learning algorithm and get a mostly decent synthesizer that you can use for free from then on? The consoomers won't notice or care anyway, so why put in any effort?

unrelated image of Top Gun 2 here
 
People genuinely believed TFA being a lazy rehash was ok because the next movie was somehow going to be wildly original and unique while also delivering on the mystery boxes and being good on its own at the same time.
My consoomer buddy said it was meant to lure the old fans into the cinema and please them. I replied with are you kidding? This is Star Wars and Disney could've remade the Holiday Special and people would've still flocked to the cinemas. But who wants to see another Death Star run? Lucas has tricked us three times already because that droid control ship from The Phantom Menace is the same concept. But these people are nuts. The funny thing is that he'll use every opportunity to joke the DCEU because it's low-hanging fruit but fails to see that Disney Star Wars is just as bad.

I am not a fan of Prequel Lucas. Watching the things and RLM are to blame. I was smiling when I heard that Disney binned his Midi-chlorian-Whill retcon script after the purchase because I know it would've been ridiculous and would've left regular people scratching their heads. But this memberberries/pandering/retconning/deconstruction is atrocious. I don't want the man back, I just want live-action Star Wars to die already.

I also have a question to the EU fans because I've only read a couple of novels back in the day. Was there any way to shoehorn the old ass actors into an EU movie or is the timeline too tight?
 
My consoomer buddy said it was meant to lure the old fans into the cinema and please them. I replied with are you kidding? This is Star Wars and Disney could've remade the Holiday Special and people would've still flocked to the cinemas. But who wants to see another Death Star run? Lucas has tricked us three times already because that droid control ship from The Phantom Menace is the same concept. But these people are nuts. The funny thing is that he'll use every opportunity to joke the DCEU because it's low-hanging fruit but fails to see that Disney Star Wars is just as bad.

I am not a fan of Prequel Lucas. Watching the things and RLM are to blame. I was smiling when I heard that Disney binned his Midi-chlorian-Whill retcon script after the purchase because I know it would've been ridiculous and would've left regular people scratching their heads. But this memberberries/pandering/retconning/deconstruction is atrocious. I don't want the man back, I just want live-action Star Wars to die already.

I also have a question to the EU fans because I've only read a couple of novels back in the day. Was there any way to shoehorn the old ass actors into an EU movie or is the timeline too tight?
My personal opinion was that if there was going to be a sequel trilogy it should've been made in the mid 90s as an abridged adaptation of Thrawn+Dark Empire with Lucas on a tight leash (which would be impossible given the clout he had at that point and no one willing to step up to direct, but still). In a way TROS ended up being a highly retarded adaptation of Dark Empire anyway.
 
My consoomer buddy said it was meant to lure the old fans into the cinema and please them. I replied with are you kidding? This is Star Wars and Disney could've remade the Holiday Special and people would've still flocked to the cinemas. But who wants to see another Death Star run? Lucas has tricked us three times already because that droid control ship from The Phantom Menace is the same concept. But these people are nuts. The funny thing is that he'll use every opportunity to joke the DCEU because it's low-hanging fruit but fails to see that Disney Star Wars is just as bad.

I am not a fan of Prequel Lucas. Watching the things and RLM are to blame. I was smiling when I heard that Disney binned his Midi-chlorian-Whill retcon script after the purchase because I know it would've been ridiculous and would've left regular people scratching their heads. But this memberberries/pandering/retconning/deconstruction is atrocious. I don't want the man back, I just want live-action Star Wars to die already.

I also have a question to the EU fans because I've only read a couple of novels back in the day. Was there any way to shoehorn the old ass actors into an EU movie or is the timeline too tight?
I agree with @Iceland Heavy that the best time would have been in the late 80s or early 90s when the main cast was still fairly young and Carrie Fisher hadn't wrecked herself completely with coke yet. It may or may not have involved the Thrawn Trilogy since those books were being written around then, but something along those lines would work, where their adventures would continue while the actors could still convincingly play those characters.

But if we assume that the sequels were made when they were, during the last decade, then an EU adaptation still could have worked, although some fans would certainly not approve. See, TFA came out in 2015, 32 years after RotJ. In the old EU timeline, that would put it approximately around the time of the New Jedi Order series, give or take a few years. And that was probably one of the more infamous series in the EU, introducing the Yuuzhan Vong, dropping a moon on Chewbacca, and generally taking a darker turn than most fans were used to. A movie adaptation of the series would also be somewhat difficult considering how many novels it spans.

So yeah, it was possible, but Disney chucked the EU out the window and gave us memberberry-infused deconstructionist retreads of the OT instead. With what we got, I think I'd rather have the weird biotech aliens.
 
So I thought they got a really good soundalike to play Darth Vader in Keonbi but I guess it's actually some type of computer generated voice synthesis technology Disney has now.
At this point why even use actors at all?
I remember someone posting a video of the MCU and Endgame's production and showcasing how little effort was put into the script and the majority of it was just pre-rendered scenes in cgi. They're getting to a point where they don't need actors or writers anymore, and that way they can ensure maximum profits with as little staff as possible, just replacing them with cgi homonculi and blender-skilled nerds who are easy to manipulate as they get barked orders by a fart huffing director. They're already pushing the limits by using this method to make cgi zombies of dead actors.

Its only a matter of time before they do the same for the living which might be a double edged sword, since on one hand this results in more soulless Hollywood products, but on the other it would mean the death of celebrity worship, actor ego and needless millions that would've been wasted on a famous douchebag's paycheck instead of being used on story and sets, but we know the latter won't happen because the directors will just hog it all like the greedy cunts they are, and celebrity worship may continue to an even worse degree if actors are paid to have their likenesses used for eternity (holy hell endless movies starring the same douchbags... I will always prefer movies starring literal unknowns who can emote over hollywood films starring famous actor #24).
 
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"There's one, set for stun!" comes to mind.

You know what boils my blood? That I know for a fact that Kawaii Leia will turn into Lady Lyanna Mormont by the end of the series because Disney will want to milk that horseshit character's insane popularity. :cringe:
its even worse when you realize a good chunk of Lyanna's popularity was because of pedos. a femdom loli was quite the turnon for the vitos and daxters of the world. If they really want to chase commer bait, they literally have twileks right there
Might be off-topic but I've been wondering about this lately: how the hell does any of this work? These shows have to cost a minor fortune and they just piss it all away. I know the term 'Hollywood Accounting', but someone has to suck up all the losses down the line.
streaming works more like a gym membership rather than the per ticket style you're thinking of. the reason HBO max could spend $1 billion on movies that won't even be exclusively on their platform is that it will get people to subscribe. its why HBO or STARZ or Showtime might spend $100 million on a tv show adaption of a fantasy series hoping that people will continue subscribing once the season ends.

Disney can spend hundreds of millions on this because hopefully the data backs up the idea that people exclusively sign up to watch this brand of content and will unsubscribe if they don't put it up. its about both the cost of customer acquisition and the cost of retention. it doesn't matter if disney spends $200 million on MCU shows if the data shows that they only spend $1 per person to sign up for their service that costs $11 a month.

Even with this star wars dogshit, of course they could make a quality product but that would be unprofitable, the amount of fairweather fans or fans that deep down don't give a fuck is way more than people think. i know plenty of people who are at 100% completion on the EU back during the legends days that are still fans enough to pay for Disney+, the ability to judge quality and let it effect your purchases is something a much smaller percentage of people have than you think, especially if they are a fanatic about something. i know a jew that demands discounts and freebees from his kids daycare because it snowed on one of the days he was supposed to use their services and they shut down for the day. he also is the type of shithead that orders food at restaurants minutes before closing. He also has yet to complain about star wars downturn in quality, as far as he's concerned everything from empire to now has been top notch.

the other problem is that for companies, its much more profitable to keep the tards spending $11 a month rather than $11 every other year on movie tickets. especially because word of mouth affects films way more than tv shows. look at agents of shield or clone wars or community fans where they have viewing guides because even they admit at least 10% of the content they paid for either by watching commercials or subscribing somewhere, just isn't good. if 10% of a film was shit it would lead to bad word of mouth which would lead to a loss of money. but tv as a medium can convince people to stick with it even if it has a shitty backlog, just the concept of "bad seasons" should be insane, because if it was truely a bad season it would lead to a swift cancellation of the show because people would stop watching. its why we see a fuck load of tv shows and miniseries especially on streaming where its a lot of wheel spinning until the season ends. lots of scripts that were clearly meant to be movies and then stretched out in length to be 4+ hours. people on the whole are much more forgiving about tv shows quality tv vs movies. you think star wars tv shows are cheap look back on old syndicated tv shows, for fucks sake its the same handful of sets and props for years.

even cutting corners or bad writing is only apparent to us because we're intelligent or care. most people don't. its why DIY tv shows can outright lie and have people gloating about awful fashion choices and overly expensive tv stands that rise out of cabinets when you can just make that on your own for a fraction of the cost. the amount of people that truely understand and would enjoy a quality product is much less than you think. even if we bitch about this stuff, there are plenty of retards especially in diverse communities that don't even understand why these products suck.

star trek's tv shows are a great example, one would think CBS would just pander to the huge trekkie fanbase, and collect the money, but its much easier to give them the finger, eat the loss of the handful of fans that won't accept the visual assrape and pander to new fans who don't give a fuck about quality or canon. especially with streaming, actually pandering to fans is a worse scenario than you think. its most likely assumed and is proven right by a significant percentage of the fanbase that these companies can throw up whatever and they'll eat it up so they don't have to care, its the new fans they really need to care about and try to pander to, the veteran fans are an easy grab, its assumed they'll watch because they do. the companies give as little thought to them as people do about the color of their poop, only in the rarest of circumstances will it matter.

by every conventional wisdom what disney is doing is the right thing to do, much like stock buybacks were for the baby formula company that received aid to help them with shortages. it might not be right or fair or good for the layperson but its the best idea for the business and its investors.
 
lol what new fans for Star Trek? Literally no real buzz for any of the six shows they're shitting out barring Lower Dreck's fairly small portion.

They're only hoping those retard fans buy their shitty stream service for Old Trek and other shows from back then, just like Disney does with their manchildren. Their new shit is DOA and then they lie about who actually watches by using those manchildren numbers to cook their audits.
 
At this point why even use actors at all?
That's simple, the computer can't emote. It can only repeat the exact tone it's given by the audio clips it's fed. You can't have a scene where Darth Vader is sad or angry, only monotone.
lol what new fans for Star Trek? Literally no real buzz for any of the six shows they're shitting out barring Lower Dreck's fairly small portion.

They're only hoping those retard fans buy their shitty stream service for Old Trek and other shows from back then, just like Disney does with their manchildren. Their new shit is DOA and then they lie about who actually watches by using those manchildren numbers to cook their audits.
It's my opinion that the streaming service model killed the incentive to actually make a quality show, because now shitty show runners can just parasitically feed off of superior programs and nobody has the ability to tell them that their show is performing terribly because they're averaged in with everyone else's show.

For the record, they could totally count watch time hours and view counts like Youtube if they really wanted, they just don't.
 
So I thought they got a really good soundalike to play Darth Vader in Keonbi but I guess it's actually some type of computer generated voice synthesis technology Disney has now.
James Earl Jones is credited as voicing Vader for Kenobi, Rogue One, and Rebels on IMDB. So it's possible they modified his aging voice unlike in Lion King (2019).

I still get a kick out of how Vader looks in Space Aladdin. They extended the arch on his helmet so the mask eyes "look" evil. You know, because he's a bad guy 🤯

 
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Read the comments section on any video of the Vader hallway scene from Rogue One. It's the same shit. All you need to do to please these dorks is shove Darth Vader in their faces and they'll start consooming the product and masturbating at the same time.

This scene really drives home how stupid Vader was in Rogue One. He had the data tape right there, but he decided to play Michael Myers in the hallway for no reason instead of just force freezing the guys (thanks Kylo) and grabbing it from them. Then he sees the Tanitive IV hyperspace away, Leia lies to him about some diplomatic mission and he never calls her out on it.
I saw that movie once and never had any desire to see it again. I don't understand why so many people like it. It doesn't even feel like a Star Wars movie to me. Sure, it has all the ships, land vehicles, names of stuff, but it all felt fake to me. I felt nothing seeing the ending with Vader. It was less insulting than the main movies, but I guess I'm biased against it because to me the Death Star plans were stolen by Kyle Katarn on Danuta, as played by us in Dark Forces. None of this Rogue One bullshit. Hence my decision to forget anything after 2012.
 
I saw that movie once and never had any desire to see it again. I don't understand why so many people like it. It doesn't even feel like a Star Wars movie to me. Sure, it has all the ships, land vehicles, names of stuff, but it all felt fake to me. I felt nothing seeing the ending with Vader. It was less insulting than the main movies, but I guess I'm biased against it because to me the Death Star plans were stolen by Kyle Katarn on Danuta, as played by us in Dark Forces. None of this Rogue One bullshit. Hence my decision to forget anything after 2012.
Why I'm more forgiving of Rogue One is because it truly felt they were actually trying to make an actual Star Wars movie, also the fact the movie was notoriously reshot from Gareth Edwards original idea of a true War movie makes me actually curious about what his cut if ever released would be like.
 
James Earl Jones is credited as voicing Vader for Kenobi, Rogue One, and Rebels on IMDB. So it's possible they modified his aging voice unlike in Lion King (2019).

I still get a kick out of how Vader looks in Space Aladdin. They extended the arch on his helmet so the mask eyes "look" evil. You know, because he's a bad guy 🤯

Now I can't get the image of Vader's helmet looking like two giant eyebrows out of my head.
 
So I thought they got a really good soundalike to play Darth Vader in Keonbi but I guess it's actually some type of computer generated voice synthesis technology Disney has now.
At this point why even use actors at all?

Read the comments section on any video of the Vader hallway scene from Rogue One. It's the same shit. All you need to do to please these dorks is shove Darth Vader in their faces and they'll start consooming the product and masturbating at the same time.

This scene really drives home how stupid Vader was in Rogue One. He had the data tape right there, but he decided to play Michael Myers in the hallway for no reason instead of just force freezing the guys (thanks Kylo) and grabbing it from them. Then he sees the Tanitive IV hyperspace away, Leia lies to him about some diplomatic mission and he never calls her out on it.
Why does this set off my internal cringe-o-meter. The uncanny levels are high.
 
Why does this set off my internal cringe-o-meter. The uncanny levels are high.
Because it sounds like someone who spends too much time on tvtropes using a voice changer.

EDIT: I glanced and thought this was still referring to the 'fan edit' dialogue shoehorning R1 back into ANH at first. In this case it's because it literally sounds like a droid imitating Darth Vader instead.
 
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