Future of the House

[Ophelia]

I agree, but we still keep seeing the same questions because people can't be bothered to read this very thread., much less the CWCki.

Very true. And legal shit about wills and liens and foreclosures doesn’t really fit on the cwcki.

 

[Rukario]

Until someone makes a 3D printer that uses Crayola FUCKIN' Model MAGIC.

A quick search didn't come up with any 3D printers that use Chris' medium of choice, but there are several guides on how to print using regular modelling clay (that needs to be baked in a kiln to harden).

For example, https://3dinsider.com/3d-printing-clay-filament/

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

What about children of Bob?

Reminds me of the novel. Children of Dune.

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

Reminds me of the novel. Children of Dune.

Godbear Emperor of Chu?

 

[A-№1]

And legal shit about wills and liens and foreclosures doesn’t really fit on the cwcki.

At least not until they inevitably bite Chris in the ass. The probate saga will come eventually. It may or may not be a big show, but it is coming. Barb can't live forever.

A quick search didn't come up with any 3D printers that use Chris' medium of choice, but there are several guides on how to print using regular modelling clay (that needs to be baked in a kiln to harden).

Methods like 3D printing are more for prototyping or custom work than mass production.

Instead use 3D printing to make a press mold of the sonichu medallion. Then use that mold to press in Crayola FUCKIN' Model MAGIC into the correct shape for making new medallions. Unlike slow 3D printing, you can make hundreds of identical medallions every hour using this method. They'll be higher quality than the ones Chris makes as well.

 

[Bad Bad Daddy]

I thought Chris was into the Ghostbusters with the gorilla. Lord knows how he ever even heard of them.

I always figured - and this says a lot about how Chris turned out - that his parents were not only so detached and lazy that they raised him by using TV as a babysitter, they picked the cheapest, shittiest bargain bin trash to do it with. Thus, Chris grew up loving Filmation Ghostbusters, The American Rabbit and Red Skelton.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Bankruptcy is not a "get out of debt free" card. If Barb files Chapter 7, basically the foreclosure will be put on hold for a few weeks to months until the bank counterfiles and proceeds with sale of the property. If she files Chapter 13, she'll have to renegotiate the debt with the lender to pay it off in a set period of time (usually a few years) or the lender immediately seizes the property. Different states have different specific laws about primary residences, but that's the usual way of it.

Virginia has a very small homestead bankruptcy exemption, so they would lose the house in a bankruptcy.

Some states have much larger ones, so people with modest houses won't lose their home. States don't tie this to inflation though, so they have to keep increasing it to keep up. Virginia is one of those states that hasn't. The situation gets worse when property values spike, as legislators are lose to make massive increases to the exemption.

For instance in California the exemption is a seemingly-generous $300,000 in counties where the median home price is less than that, or whatever the median price is, up to $600,000. This means that in shithole counties almost nobody who actually have their life destroyed by bankruptcy loses their house that they have lived in for more than 3.5 years. In a middling inland place like Fresno, the majority of people are still safe.

But while this exemption is one of the higher ones in the country, California can be expensive. If granny lives in a coastal county she's fucked. The house she bought for $50,000 is now worth $2 million. Better hope she didn't get another mortgage like Barb did, because she's gonna have to move to Fresno.

In Virginia the exemption was recently raised from $5000 to $30,000 (by adding a wildcard $25k property exemption). It saves pretty much nobody. If Barb/Chris declares bankruptcy, they're fucked and are better off just selling the house and pocketing the equity.

In Texas the exemption is unlimited, so you never lose your house (provided you lived there for long enough). You also get to keep one car per driver. Lenders pay a bit more attention to ability to pay in Texas, and bankruptcy basically means you'll never get credit again.

Without a will, the total of the estate goes to a surviving spouse before children. Bob's prior children don't get a look in. That would be Barb. When Barb dies it will be split up between her heirs since Bob's estate is now her estate. that would be Cole and Chris.

Technically under 64.2-200 they were entitled to 2/3 of the property. We don't know what happened on Bob's death and if they chose not to take their share. Most likely they didn't even think about it. They might be able to sue to claim their share now due to the fact that Barb never bothered to transfer the title to her name and left it with the joint ownership. The statute of limitations for inheritance lawsuits in Virginia is one year, so Barb/Chris would be able to argue that since Bob's kids never claimed their share, it's too late to sue for it now.

EDIT: Also IMHO this law is pure bullshit. It's basically a race to see who dies first, and the kids of the first dead person get 2/3rds, and the kids of the other spouse get 1/3rd when the other spouse dies.

 

[Manly_Brony]

Assuming Tom and Harriet left anything, the garbage will all be removed before opening the house to auction. The best you can probably hope for are mysterious stains and the odd toy or coat hanger.

Plot twist: the Magical Man is an unknown Chandler and still lives there.

 

[Ophelia]

Plot twist: the Magical Man is an unknown Chandler and still lives there.

Boo Chandler.

 

[A-№1]

I always figured - and this says a lot about how Chris turned out - that his parents were not only so detached and lazy that they raised him by using TV as a babysitter, they picked the cheapest, shittiest bargain bin trash to do it with. Thus, Chris grew up loving Filmation Ghostbusters, The American Rabbit and Red Skelton.

They also didn't socialize him properly with other children and so on, to the extent that I'm not sure Chris really is autistic, or if he's just the product of really shitty parenting. That happened a lot in the 1980s: doctors didn't want to tell parents they were fucking up as parents, so they'd diagnose the kid instead as high functioning autistic or ADHD or whatever.

Even if Chris is actually autistic, it's the least of the things wrong with him.

In a middling inland place like Fresno, the majority of people are still safe.

Financially safe. Safe from cancer is a different matter entirely. Seriously, don't move to Fresno.

If Barb/Chris declares bankruptcy, they're fucked and are better off just selling the house and pocketing the equity.

This. Which is why I don't understand why Tom and Harriet haven't liquidated the estate to fund a care home for Barb. The longer they sit on that property, the more likely they are to lose it, especially after the housing bubble bursts.

Technically under 64.2-200 they were entitled to 2/3 of the property.

Surprising. Most places it goes to the surviving spouse, lock stock and barrel, so that widows aren't turned out of their homes by prior children. This has led to a lot of geriatric gold digging, where men get married late in life, die, and the current spouse gets everything, locking out his previous family entirely. Maybe Virginia is trying to counter that.

We don't know what happened on Bob's death and if they chose not to take their share.

Under 64.2-200, they are only entitled if there was no will. Bob made all sorts of plans for himself and Barb up to and including space for their cremains. I highly doubt a man who did all that would die intestate. Meanwhile, I don't see a greedy bitch like Barb allowing her matrimonial cash cow to slip through her fingers without a will giving everything to her.

tl;dr: Bob had a will. It gave everything to Barb. This is all but guaranteed. Bob was too conscientious, and Barb wouldn't permit anything less.

Now whether or not Barb has bothered to make out a will of her own, who knows? She may be spiteful enough to make one out solely to exclude people, but she's probably too lazy for even that.

Plot twist: the Magical Man is an unknown Chandler and still lives there.

Imagine his shock when he woke up a few days ago to find the entire property had moved to CWCville in the night.

 

[Ophelia]

They also didn't socialize him properly with other children and so on, to the extent that I'm not sure Chris really is autistic, or if he's just the product of really shitty parenting.

He shows too many other signs of autism for me to doubt it. But better socialized autists are better off than Chris is for sure.

I don't understand why Tom and Harriet haven't liquidated the estate to fund a care home for Barb.

I wonder if laziness runs in that side of the family. They’re workin’ on it.

 

[A-№1]

He shows too many other signs of autism for me to doubt it.

I'm not so sure. Autism spectrum disorders can be tricky. Most of Chris' symptoms of autism can also be explained by a really, REALLY shitty upbringing, being raised in isolation by television, extreme laziness, and so on. The rest can be explained by basic low grade sociopathy.

I suspect Chris is the kind of autistic who, had his parents (or he, himself) made an effort while growing up, might never have been diagnosed as autistic. It's always been a crutch and an excuse for them, not a challenge to overcome.

I wonder if laziness runs in that side of the family. They’re workin’ on it.

Remember Barb's people do come from Appalachian hill stock. Laziness would be the least of it.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

I suspect Chris is the kind of autistic who, had his parents (or he, himself) made an effort while growing up, might never have been diagnosed as autistic.

The more I look at Chris and his antics, the more I think he's on the low end of autism, most likely with a toe dipped across the line into being Intellectually Disabled (aka retarded). Watching him over the years has made more sympathetic to autistics in general and I've yet to see him match the behavior to genuine "high functioning" autistic people and would place him pretty low on the autism scale. I think no matter the training or treatment that was planned for him while he was young would have done much. He would always be a little off.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

They also didn't socialize him properly with other children and so on, to the extent that I'm not sure Chris really is autistic, or if he's just the product of really shitty parenting. That happened a lot in the 1980s: doctors didn't want to tell parents they were fucking up as parents, so they'd diagnose the kid instead as high functioning autistic or ADHD or whatever.

Even if Chris is actually autistic, it's the least of the things wrong with him.

Absolutely all of Chris's mannerisms, speech, and behavior scream autism. You can see it in pretty much every single video of him going back to the Sonic sweepstakes win. Even Rollin' and Trollin' has a mild autistic feel to it.

There's a reason a fair number of us here can relate to Chris.

Chris's shitty upbringing is why he was taught no skills to compensate for his autism. Chris' stupidity is why he wasn't able to learn them himself.

Financially safe. Safe from cancer is a different matter entirely. Seriously, don't move to Fresno.

Maybe if they bring back the California Raisins they can build Fresno tourism at least. Also it had a pretty cool TV series.

This has led to a lot of geriatric gold digging, where men get married late in life, die, and the current spouse gets everything, locking out his previous family entirely. Maybe Virginia is trying to counter that.

That's almost certainly why. The part that makes me say wtf is the two thirds share, versus just splitting it evenly.

Under 64.2-200, they are only entitled if there was no will. Bob made all sorts of plans for himself and Barb up to and including space for their cremains. I highly doubt a man who did all that would die intestate. Meanwhile, I don't see a greedy bitch like Barb allowing her matrimonial cash cow to slip through her fingers without a will giving everything to her.

tl;dr: Bob had a will. It gave everything to Barb. This is all but guaranteed. Bob was too conscientious, and Barb wouldn't permit anything less.

You'd think so, but I don't think we've ever seen evidence of one existing. Not even a mention from Chris.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

I thought Chris was into the Ghostbusters with the gorilla. Lord knows how he ever even heard of them.

Can you imagine if Chris was into the Real Ghostbusters and the film? All the innuendo of the film would've either passed Chris' brain, or it would've fed into his subconscious horniness.

 

[A-№1]

The more I look at Chris and his antics, the more I think he's on the low end of autism, most likely with a toe dipped across the line into being Intellectually Disabled (aka retarded).

Mostly he's just lazy. His potential may be low, but he cannot be bothered to even reach that.

He would always be a little off.

In my own experience, everyone is a little off.

Absolutely all of Chris's mannerisms, speech, and behavior scream autism.

But they can also be explained by other causes, one of which is an extremely isolating upbringing, which we absolutely know Chris had.

Even Rollin' and Trollin' has a mild autistic feel to it.

True, but here's the thing about actual autism - it can't be turned off like that. It can be managed. It can be mitigated. It can be compensated for. But it can't be controlled like flipping a light switch.

Maybe if they bring back the California Raisins they can build Fresno tourism at least. Also it had a pretty cool TV series.

Finally the Mennonite Quilting Center will get the acclaim it deserves.

That's almost certainly why.

Walk into a retirement home. Casually mention you don't believe in wills. "What will I care. I'll be dead." Word will get around in a day or two, and your harem will form shortly thereafter.

You'd think so, but I don't think we've ever seen evidence of one existing. Not even a mention from Chris.

It's not the sort of thing Chris would bother with specifically. Likely it was just another one of Bob's mysterious "papers".

And Chris would definitely have mentioned the troubles if Bob's estate had gone through probate, even if just a retarded interpretation of Barb's complaining about it.

All the innuendo of the film would've either passed Chris' brain, or it would've fed into his subconscious horniness.

Or he might have figured it out (or had it explained to him) and then repeated his favorites ad-nausea and completely out of context on his Love Quest.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

True, but here's the thing about actual autism - it can't be turned off like that. It can be managed. It can be mitigated. It can be compensated for. But it can't be controlled like flipping a light switch.

PERFORMANCE can be managed. Some autists become actors because while they have no innate talent for it, they have lots of experience, because being a successful autist in society involves acting all the time.

Autists get negative reactions when they are themselves and act how they feel, so they learn behaviors as a performative practice. They have to consciously mimic. Chris comes off as a dipshit because he just poorly mimics what he likes and is too retarded to figure out how he actually needs to be behaving.

But while Chris is too stupid to learn to act effectively on his own, R&T Chris had someone managing the performance. I bet they did a lot of takes. With someone physically directing the entire production, Chris could come across as almost a normal human being.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Autists get negative reactions when they are themselves and act how they feel, so they learn behaviors as a performative practice. They have to consciously mimic. Chris comes off as a dipshit because he just poorly mimics what he likes and is too retarded to figure out how he actually needs to be behaving

There are very few successful autistic actors and most of them play the same damn character over and over again. Autists are horrible at expressing and emulating human emotions. Like Chris, they come across as feral animals, who slobber on your crotch.

 

[A-№1]

R&T Chris had someone managing the performance. I bet they did a lot of takes.

That would have required a LOT of takes. I'm not sure it would be worth all that effort for the Magical Man or whoever.

I personally think Rollin&Trollin is Chris' actual "high functioning" level of autism. Regular Chris is that with added Too Lazy to Think Chris, Arrogant Chris, idiot Chris, Greedy Chris, Irresponsible Chris, Fetal Alcohol Chris, Would Have Been Better Off Raised By Wolves Chris, and so on. (Collect the whole set!)

Solve all those problems and Chris is essentially a slightly odd douchebag. Not particularly autistic, but very much a douchebag, though little different from all the other douchebags out there.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

But they can also be explained by other causes, one of which is an extremely isolating upbringing, which we absolutely know Chris had.

I'm really not buying this. There's the myth that Chris is some shut-in, where his only interactions were with his fossil parents, but reading through stuff, especially the early days, not to mention the times we've seen him interacting with people, Chris just isn't shy about wanting to talk. Even his online antics were full of him wanting to talk to, and at people, not to mention his constant center-of-attention stuff that would lead him into trouble.

At high school he seemed to be pretty well received in that he wasn't the quiet kid everybody was afraid of. He did eat alone on certain days, and people didn't seem to want to be around him, but he sure wasn't some anti-social person, walled up in a shell that never interacted. During his love-quest, he was constantly going up and talking to women, asking them out, etc...