Mega Rad Gun Thread

Q about variations:

- I was advised to get a pistol AR because it's marked in such a way I can modify it up but I cannot modify a rifle down. Should I get the shorter barrel?
- Similarly, shotguns with pistol grips are popular because removing the stock is illegal in some places. Since I'm retarded, should I stick with the stock?
- For CCW people have suggested a .357 S&W. Should I get a snub nose or a longer barrel?
Pistol grip only or pistol grip + stock? PGO shotguns are an un-aimable abomination. I'm nthing the remmy 870/mossberg 500 love, I have a 1970s production 870 Wingmaster and it is silky smooth and has never let me down.

Anyone reccomending a wheelgun for CCW in the year 2022 when smaller, lighter, higher capacity subcompact 9mms exist is a jackass.
 
Anyone reccomending a wheelgun for CCW in the year 2022 when smaller, lighter, higher capacity subcompact 9mms exist is a jackass.
Like most things firearms related, comes down to personal preferences and skill. I personally would not carry a revolver but I do know people who do and can pull some Elmer Keith shit off with them.
 
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If you're still in Serbia, I suggest taking a look at pistols from Croatian company HS Produkt for pistols (both "full size" and CCW). Also, Turkish shotguns are very cheap and reliable.
 
5.56 is fine.
I'd look at S&W or Ruger for more budget oriented.
If you don't like AR15s a Galil ACE or Beretta ARX100 are good alternatives.
Glork 19 is pretty much standard so I'd say start there.
If you don't like the Glork use its feature set as a checklist against other pistols you may be considering.
The S&W M&P comes well regarded.
9mm of course.
I'm not much of a shotgun guy but an OLDER Remington 870 or any Mossberg 500/590 should be fine.
I'd also recommend a .22lr to practice the fundamentals with, dedicated or conversion, just get one.
But before any of that most ranges these days seem to do the rental thing and I strongly recommend you go do that.
My son just bought his first pistol and wanted to try out a bunch of stuff I didn't own so we went this route.
He ended up getting a Glork 43 if you're curious.
 
Those are all perfectly adequate and shouldn't give you any problems. For the AR-15, get a good set of Back up Iron sights, I recommend the Magpul Pro front and Rear. Shoot with the iron sights for a brief period and learn the fundamentals while you save up for a good optic. Try to get plenty of magazines for it, and also purchase a sling, a sling is very important on a Self defense/fighting rifle.

Also look into Weapon lights for all of them, Streamlight, Surefire and Modlite make good ones. Shooting in the dark is extremely risky and being able to positively ID someone before shooting is crucial.
 
Now that you have a baseline, this is the part where I suggest walking into a gun shop and handling guns similar to them to be sure of it.
Firearms technology has progressed to the point where, generally speaking and excepting the clusterfuck that is Taurus and Turkshit, it's down to personal preference rather than innate brand reliability. Some argue that you should condition yourself to get used to handling a certain gun but the truth of it is that something more comfortable to begin with is more comfortable to train with. Getting something that fits you is a luxury we have that jarheads don't and I hate people fighting to convince us otherwise.
Go put your grubby mitts on everything, make note of what feels good, and do research. All that glitters is not gold, ie Kimber.

Light sperging:
Glock is popular because it works, but the subtle angle to the grip is not for everyone hence the war between it and the S&W M&P series.
Mossberg has had a rivalry with Remington that the former inevitably won because the latter was sunk by an investment firm cutting corners. However, Mossberg is not gucci - it is known for rattling because of relatively loose fitment. That is normal.
The Beretta 92 that you first considered requires XL-XXL hands for a comfortable hold. While it's good for shooting, it's massive enough that their last attempt at selling to the military slimmed it down a bit.
 
Re: m&p 2.0

I just traded my subcompact in for a p365. I absolutely despised the trigger, and it was way too bulky. No comparison between the two imo. It is not a bad handgun, just nowhere near as good as the Sig.

Glocks are terrific, can't go wrong with them, but to me the p365 edges them out slightly for ccw purposes.
 
Good taste, but what @WhoBusTank69 said about pistols is absolutely true. Go hold a few because you might find that grip angle really uncomfortable.

I'm also a big fan of pump shotguns, but I'd also suggest checking out some semi-auto's like the Binelli M4 or Beretta 1301. Might be more conducive to what you want, might not be. If you're going to spend the ducats on a really nice AR-15, don't skimp on the shotgun.
 
A sling and holsters are important. Primary Arms sells both Vickers Slings from BFG and Viking Tactics 2 point sling. Both have been an industry standard for a long time now. They're a great place to start. I still have my Vickers I bought 15 years ago on a rifle. The holsters I like aren't made anymore. Figuring out holsters can be very personal. Inside the waistband, outside the waistband, appendix carry, canted. There are a lot of options and you're going to have to draw and shoot to figure out what you like.

I would recommend a quality OWB holster and gunbelt for range use while you learn to shoot. The Perun from Raven Concealment would be what I recommend from looking through Primary Arms in stock offerings. There are a million gunbelts out there. Primary carries belts from High Speed Gear which is another company that has been making excellent gear for a long time now. There are certainly cheaper option out there. I tried to keep it to Primary Arms so you could place one order.
 
Good taste, but what @WhoBusTank69 said about pistols is absolutely true. Go hold a few because you might find that grip angle really uncomfortable.
I'll probably pick up the AR asap and then look at pistols. I'm concerned about AR platforms > high capacity sidearms > shotguns in that order. I do have smaller hands and the only other weapon I've owned, a VP9, bit the webbing quite a bit. I was told that might just be due to poor handling and not the gun being too awkward for my grip.
 
I'll probably pick up the AR asap and then look at pistols. I'm concerned about AR platforms > high capacity sidearms > shotguns in that order. I do have smaller hands and the only other weapon I've owned, a VP9, bit the webbing quite a bit. I was told that might just be due to poor handling and not the gun being too awkward for my grip.
The VP9 does have quite a bit of the slide over the ass end of the grip, so it might have just not been the right style for your hands. Good idea on scooping up the AR first, though. That's advice we should all take atm.
 
For CCW people have suggested a .357 S&W. Should I get a snub nose or a longer barrel?
I have carried a .357 Magnum snub-nose revolver in the past. I don't recommend it these days, especially for newbies. It's a very hot round being shot out of a relatively light gun. Before the age of the so-called "Wonder-Nines" a snub .357 or .38 revolver could very easily be argued for being the best newbie friendly Concealed Carry Weapon.

That isn't the case anymore as the snub .357 revolver has some major drawbacks: The high recoil, low round count, and God forbid, if you have to reload in combat.

Your average "compact" 9mm semi-auto will act as a man-stopper just as well as a snub .357 Magnum. With the advantages of having a higher round count, a far easier reload, and a better recoil profile. That is in addition to potentially mounting a weapon light, and/or a red dot sight.
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Just for general advice, I do typically caution against a "sub-compact" semi-auto, for new guys. It may be slightly easier to hide, but the recoil starts to become a problem again. That is in addition to many of these sub-compacts go down to a single stack magazine, thus lowering the ammo count significantly. All that for only a moderately smaller handgun. If you find that you can't conceal a "compact" sized handgun, then you may want to start considering the sub-compacts. I Conceal Carry full-size handguns, people really don't notice unless you are flashing it.
 
I have carried a .357 Magnum snub-nose revolver in the past. I don't recommend it these days, especially for newbies. It's a very hot round being shot out of a relatively light gun. Before the age of the so-called "Wonder-Nines" a snub .357 or .38 revolver could very easily be argued for being the best newbie friendly Concealed Carry Weapon.

That isn't the case anymore as the snub .357 revolver has some major drawbacks: The high recoil, low round count, and God forbid, if you have to reload in combat.

Your average "compact" 9mm semi-auto will act as a man-stopper just as well as a snub .357 Magnum. With the advantages of having a higher round count, a far easier reload, and a better recoil profile. That is in addition to potentially mounting a weapon light, and/or a red dot sight.
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Just for general advice, I do typically caution against a "sub-compact" semi-auto, for new guys. It may be slightly easier to hide, but the recoil starts to become a problem again. That is in addition to many of these sub-compacts go down to a single stack magazine, thus lowering the ammo count significantly. All that for only a moderately smaller handgun. If you find that you can't conceal a "compact" sized handgun, then you may want to start considering the sub-compacts. I Conceal Carry full-size handguns, people really don't notice unless you are flashing it.
The introduction of single stack versions of pistol like the Glock 48 make subcompacts much less desirable imo. It was the width of a doublestack holstered IWB that always made it less concealable and more uncombortable for me, not barrel length and grip. I find a full size grip to be a lot to conceal with just a t-shirt personally, but like you said almost nobody would notice. Most of the time I just go OWB with the 19 and button up anyway.

The improvements in bullet tech over the last 20 years have fantastic. It's made a lot of calibers arguably obsolete for self defense purposes. You get harder to control recoil and less capacity with calibers like .40 S&W, .357 Sig, etc and a quality bonded or monolithic 9mm hollowpoint everything you need nowadays.
 
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I'll probably pick up the AR asap and then look at pistols. I'm concerned about AR platforms > high capacity sidearms > shotguns in that order. I do have smaller hands and the only other weapon I've owned, a VP9, bit the webbing quite a bit. I was told that might just be due to poor handling and not the gun being too awkward for my grip.
Most issues with pistols can be fixed with practice and proper grip. Check this guy out for fundamental practice:


Also your list looks pretty good but make sure to get some sights for your rifle.
 
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