Mega Rad Gun Thread

Well I guess I just don't know what it's like to be yall then because most of my guns are things like 7.5 french, 7.5 swiss GP23, 7.62 tokarev, 8mm, and 6.5 swedish. So I've been digging around gun shows and seedy websites to feed my antiques to begin with.
 
any suggestions?
a quality 9mm Glock, SIG 226, S&W M&P or 3rd gen auto (or even a cheap SD) for a pistol is an easy recommendation because it's widely available, generally inexpensive, easy to find parts or accessories for when needed, and if you get a .40 S&W instead of 9mm you can use caliber conversion shoot either one and 9mm and .40, while usually hit by panic buyers imho, are still available to buy and trade for even if the price gets bad.

if you want a rifle, the AR-15 or AKM variations are the options for the same reasons above, although they are often targeted by politicians and political actors. the AR-15 is much more popular than the AKM in the US and has a larger aftermarket. at the same time if you are not super into firearms stick with complete rifles instead of piecing one together. Colt, BCM, Windham, used Bushmaster, LMT, Rock River Arms, Stag Arms, Ruger AR-556, SIG M400, S&W M&P 15, et c. while many other quality brands exist, those i mentioned are the "big names" and tend to have a large enough market to be compatible with most things and fewest quality control headaches.

easy shotgun recommendations are pre-2005 Remington 870's or police surplus 870s, Mossberg 500, Maverick 88, and Ithaca 37 Defender. Winchester/FN/Browning et c are all good, but their aftermarket is much smaller than the mentioned. the 590 is a "beefed up" variation of the 500 for military use and is unlikely to be worth the expense or weight for a home-gamer. Maverick 88 is made mostly in Mexico and is a cost-reduced 500 (with very few interchangeable parts) but it's difficult to beat a sub $200 pump shotgun with 8 shell capacity that's actually fairly robust and very reliable.

a word on the 870 vs 500/590 from my perspective: a broken-in 870 is a very smooth and reliable shotgun with a large aftermarket and a proven, very tough design. it can be expensive and annoying to repair. the 500 uses more aluminum than steel and are usually a bit lighter than the 870, and while it rattles and shakes, and might not be as tough as the 870, it's is drop dead reliable, although some people find the controls more comfortable to use on the mossberg vs the remington. additionally if something breaks on the 500, it's typically easier to repair/replace without special tools or hunting around for weird parts or expertise (i've worked with or on both shotguns for decades and the 870 is a pain in the ass to fix when it's genuinely broken; here's a challenge: look up how to take apart and service the trigger assembly on an 870 - most advice is "don't do it and take to a smith"). the 590 is a beefed up 500 designed for military use for door kicking duty. it's heavy and can mount a bayonet, et c. it's very tough but probably very overkill/overpriced for most people (even police). for 590-money you may as well look into used SXP, BPS, or Benelli shotguns...

put hands on a firearm before buying to ensure you can reach and understand the controls and principles of operation and there aren't anything that prevents you personally from using the firearm effectively. could be handedness, could be you have an old injury, could be you like to have the pinky positioned a certain way, et c. if possible rent and shoot the same make model somewhere and get a feel for it. maybe you don't like the recoil or sights, maybe there's a must-have feature that you want to have or accessory you want to use. make sure you have an understanding of the mechanics of the firearm enough to clean and do basic maintenance on it. you may need a special tool or something, or maybe all the "gun stuff" has to fit in a certain space and you can't have things scattered around. consider the cost of maintenance and ammunition, as well as the area in which you're going to use it. a very long firearm might be bad for small areas. consider attending a training class focused on home defense.

for officers and friends that i sell guns to for a "home defense kit" i generally offer a deal on an S&W M&P Sport II rifle (with a little bolt-on rail section for the handguard), a choice of Glock 19, Glock 22, used SIG P226 in 9mm or .40, and if they don't want the rifle i'll offer a trade-in Remington 870 or a new Mossberg 500 Home Security. the biggest factor for these buyers in ease of use, ammunition availability, and price. if they buy two guns and some ammo, i'll give them hefty discount on a trade-in weapon light (typically a fenix, surefire, or streamlight) and a 1" ring mount they can attach to a rail section on the rifle. if it's a pistol light, i'll give them an offset mount to use it on the rifle - looks goofy but works fine. if the pistol being traded in has no rail section i'll usually use a GG&G adapter for it or rivet a rail section to the dust cover, old school Beretta style.

a light is an excellent tool to use when you point a weapon at someone because it offers positive identification of the target, what might be beyond them, and can often given pause or stun the target into compliance. however remember that the light is attached to the weapon itself so when you mean to point a light at someone you are ALSO pointing a weapon at them. lights use batteries. if you have a lot of AA batteries on hand then maybe an flashlight that uses AA batteries is for you. if you don't typically keep more than a few batteries around, then go with the rechargeable 16650 or 18650 cells or CR123A batteries for short duration, high intensity (greater than 150 lumens at 5 meters, prefer closer to 200-300 for "in house/building" scenarios).

lastly, a flashlight works in both directions. you can see the target but the target also knows where you are. typically a home owners knows their home's layout and furniture placement better than a stranger so use that to your advantage when you can. prioritize avoiding direct contact and surviving, and if that's unavoidable, prioritize winning the fight as quickly and decisively as possible.

familiarization is key for these people, so if a guy is more familiar with a 1911 and knows the controls and has confidence in the pistol and himself, then i'll sell him that. better a pistol he doesn't hesitate with than an unknown one.
 
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So, As the resident Retard who daily carries a 10mm Glock 20. Don't get a 10mm as your first handgun. A 9mm handgun will do everything you would need it to do.

As for the make, there is a lot of competition out there. Most meet a minimum standard quality. You kind of have to go out of your way to buy completely shit handgun. Hell even Hi-Point has gotten a better than 50% chance of delivering a passably usable problem solver. For every reputable company out there, it really comes down to nuance and price.

It really comes down to personal preference, and how much money are you willing to spend to get that last 1-10% of performance.

If you can, try before you buy.
 
Well I guess I just don't know what it's like to be yall then because most of my guns are things like 7.5 french, 7.5 swiss GP23, 7.62 tokarev, 8mm, and 6.5 swedish. So I've been digging around gun shows and seedy websites to feed my antiques to begin with.
Well, looky here. Ian McCollum has joined Kiwi Farms.
 
protip for all of the newfags to guns out there who want to get a 10/22: don't. buy a ruger charger. you can put a brace on that bitch along with literally any AR pistol grip. picrel isn't mine as i don't own one, but i tried my buddy's and it's fun as hell & cheap too.
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Aero sells complete lowers and uppers and it doesn't take a genius to put the two together, but agree regarding the S&W M&P Sport if just for the cost savings if he gets a good deal.
Heh fair enough. My ARs are all built from stripped (one an Aero X15). I was like "isnt the M4E1 just a lower?" then went to the Aero site for like 3 seconds and hit the drop down and saw "upper receivers" and "lower receivers" and didnt even bother to consider if they were complete. Their "rifles" tab goes to a blank page lol.
 
Heh fair enough. My ARs are all built from stripped (one an Aero X15). I was like "isnt the M4E1 just a lower?" then went to the Aero site for like 3 seconds and hit the drop down and saw "upper receivers" and "lower receivers" and didnt even bother to consider if they were complete. Their "rifles" tab goes to a blank page lol.
Iirc most of their "complete" uppers do not come with BCGs.
 
Well I guess I just don't know what it's like to be yall then because most of my guns are things like 7.5 french, 7.5 swiss GP23, 7.62 tokarev, 8mm, and 6.5 swedish. So I've been digging around gun shows and seedy websites to feed my antiques to begin with.
Start reloading friend.

While I have a decent amount of modern and or sporting or tactical or babby killin salt gunz if you will. I really am a hoarder/collector of old stuff.

7.5 french is AWESOME and my MAS36 quickly won me over, I bought it for one main reason, backwards bolt. It just looked neat and I do like collecting so I took one home found 60 rounds for about 2 a shot and before those 3 boxes were done I was in love.

8mm you can still it'll take some work but find surp, few places press it since it's really common for hunting (least in USA east coast) tons of bubba mousers here for durr season. Tok is still pressed and a hoot.

Either way I'm side tracking and rambling but, honestly reloading is the way to go, I started a few years ago and the jump is pricy and scary, legit aside having a good teacher still first time you fire a round that's literally a bomb meant to move something forward, it's scary because it's still pile of boom inches from your face. But follow your hand books, read read read ask anything and it's not that scary. I really want to start melting copper (I only melt my own lead since that only needs a hot plate) but after a few years you feel into it.

I can probably make a shell a min if I'm not fucking around... like right now with some 223 on my table and few nips of Highland park 18.
 
Start reloading friend.

While I have a decent amount of modern and or sporting or tactical or babby killin salt gunz if you will. I really am a hoarder/collector of old stuff.

7.5 french is AWESOME and my MAS36 quickly won me over, I bought it for one main reason, backwards bolt. It just looked neat and I do like collecting so I took one home found 60 rounds for about 2 a shot and before those 3 boxes were done I was in love.

8mm you can still it'll take some work but find surp, few places press it since it's really common for hunting (least in USA east coast) tons of bubba mousers here for durr season. Tok is still pressed and a hoot.

Either way I'm side tracking and rambling but, honestly reloading is the way to go, I started a few years ago and the jump is pricy and scary, legit aside having a good teacher still first time you fire a round that's literally a bomb meant to move something forward, it's scary because it's still pile of boom inches from your face. But follow your hand books, read read read ask anything and it's not that scary. I really want to start melting copper (I only melt my own lead since that only needs a hot plate) but after a few years you feel into it.

I can probably make a shell a min if I'm not fucking around... like right now with some 223 on my table and few nips of Highland park 18.
I've been wanting to start loading my own ammo for a long time but I've never had the space. I really need to get a shed one of these days for dangerous equipment, materials, and the lawnmower. At that point I can start on the setup, until then I just don't shoot that much.
And yeah I also got the MAS because it looks so cool, also because it came with the bayonet. I can never resist grabbing a rifle that comes with the bayonet or sling, but the solution to that is just not going to the pawn shop too often.
 
I've been wanting to start loading my own ammo for a long time but I've never had the space. I really need to get a shed one of these days for dangerous equipment, materials, and the lawnmower. At that point I can start on the setup, until then I just don't shoot that much.
And yeah I also got the MAS because it looks so cool, also because it came with the bayonet. I can never resist grabbing a rifle that comes with the bayonet or sling, but the solution to that is just not going to the pawn shop too often.
Fellow bayonet fag, get an FR7/8 those bayonets are the most kino bolo style you will ever touch.

Legit if you get one (apex is back ordered atm) but don't like it, I'll buy it off you, but call you a tasteless faggot.

Personally I reload in my attached garage, but my home owners insurance is good lol.
 
Fucking quote bug.

@Club Sandwich delivering the goods again. I will chime in and say that after you play around enough and customize your first AR, your next step should be getting the tools to build your next one - it's like ballistic LEGO and lets you make exactly what you want now that you know what you like and don't like about that first rifle.
 
I'm disappointed no one tried to shill a 1911 bc of "muh two world wars".

For what my opinion is worth:
Pistol 1 - Glock 19
Pistol 2 - SW Bodyguard (holdout piece)

Rifle - Colt 6920 (My heart wants to say a Zastava M70 but my brain says a 555 gun)

Shotgun: Mossberg 500 or Benelli M4 if you want to be fancy.
 
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I asked my stream for 2 pistols, 1 shotgun, 1 rifle suggestion. From their input, this is my non-conclusive list.

AR15 M4E1 in 5.56 (Aero Precision)
Mossberg 590
Beretta 92
P365-380 P365 in 9mm

I'm not set on the pistols or the AR-15 brand. I kind of want an M1911 .45 ACP because my grandfather has one and it feels very American, but the comparisons between .45 ACP and 9mm lean towards 9mm.
Aero is a great brand and the 1911 is sexy and feels good in the hand. Beretta 92s are a certified Hollywood classic but the grip may be a little fat if you get a normal one. The Beretta 92X is probably what you would want since it has the updated vertec grips for way better ergonomics (it also has a modern picarinny accessory rail). Also get a light if you can, a Streamlight TLR-1HL or Surefire X-300UB are good choices.
 
I asked my stream for 2 pistols, 1 shotgun, 1 rifle suggestion. From their input, this is my non-conclusive list.

AR15 M4E1 in 5.56 (Aero Precision)
Mossberg 590
Beretta 92
P365-380 P365 in 9mm

I'm not set on the pistols or the AR-15 brand. I kind of want an M1911 .45 ACP because my grandfather has one and it feels very American, but the comparisons between .45 ACP and 9mm lean towards 9mm.

For more pistol options, I hear a lot about CZ being a good quality for it's price, they have several options, though I can vouch for the P-10. For a smaller carry pistol, I've held a P365 but not fired it, but I doubt I'd like it more than my S&W Shield Plus. With the 13 round magazine, that adds more grip, it feels great in hand.
 
There's M85s and M90s out there with AR mag adapters if you don't want to splurge on Yugo steel 5.56 mags.
 
Q about variations:

- I was advised to get a pistol AR because it's marked in such a way I can modify it up but I cannot modify a rifle down. Should I get the shorter barrel?
- Similarly, shotguns with pistol grips are popular because removing the stock is illegal in some places. Since I'm retarded, should I stick with the stock?
- For CCW people have suggested a .357 S&W. Should I get a snub nose or a longer barrel?
 
Q about variations:

- I was advised to get a pistol AR because it's marked in such a way I can modify it up but I cannot modify a rifle down. Should I get the shorter barrel?
- Similarly, shotguns with pistol grips are popular because removing the stock is illegal in some places. Since I'm retarded, should I stick with the stock?
- For CCW people have suggested a .357 S&W. Should I get a snub nose or a longer barrel?
Get a regular carbine length AR. Pistols are great for short barrel builds and suppressor hosts if you don't want to pay an additional tax stamp, but fucking around with that maze of ATF bullshit for your first time is just going to frustrate you and give you a headache.

Stick with a stock if you've never shot a 12 gauge before. Your wrists will thank you.

.357 is fine but it's a powerful round. The vast, vast majority of self defense shootings take place within 10 yards so you'd be fine with whatever length as long as you can reliably draw. Keep in mind revolvers have heavier trigger pulls and if you have girly wrists, you wouldn't like shooting a snub nose .357.

Really, whoever is suggesting you stuff over a newbies head should be taken out to a shed and beaten. Pistol ARs are wholly for subverting short barrel laws but they will suck to learn proper marksmanship and fundamentals on.
 
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