Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

The current cultural over-meme seems to be treating grown adults like children, while infusing every aspect of childhood with weird adult implications. A kid wearing a costume and being silly is “drag” and not… playing pretend.
It makes a twisted sort of sense. Stunted 30-somethings have spent two decades brooding over their own adolescence, and are determined to give kids and teens the super fun sexy youth they never had. But all these adults are dysfunctional as adults, their priorities are FUBARed, whatever they think would have "fixed" their youth is just a higher dose of what fucked them up in the first place.
 
On the drag thing, maybe I'm like, weird, but I always thought it was pretty clearly adult entertainment- smutty performances that flirt with sexuality. It's a completely different hemisphere from 'appropriate for children'.
What would you say to a kid who, after seeing Mrs Moonshine Titterly at the kids library event, wants to see them at their next show (at the 18+ gay bar)? Why not?
No other entertainment could be on regular set at a sex shop event night and then play for children.
It seems like this point is as obvious as transwomen being men- we can all see it, but people who could stop the drag kids events aren't saying it, because calling it predatory is, in all instances, transphobic and homophobic (is how it's described and what they'll be immediately reprimanded with). And people literally cannot afford to lose their jobs.

It's confusing to know who actually pushes the drag queen story time/child drag stuff. Possibly a combination of people too immature and naive to understand common sense child safeguarding and aren't old enough to have kids of their own yet (so don't actually think about what makes things child appropriate and dgaf anyway), and people very very interested in pushing the boundaries of 'childhood bodily autonomy' (eg some of the weirdos in critical Childhood studies)

Either way it just seems like it's obviously so, so inappropriate for kids, but I don't know if that's the consensus. It just seems so obviously predatory.


ETA: aaaand it happened. Children invited to gay bar to watch drag show, encouraged to tip performers at 'Child Pride event'
 
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It makes a twisted sort of sense. Stunted 30-somethings have spent two decades brooding over their own adolescence, and are determined to give kids and teens the super fun sexy youth they never had. But all these adults are dysfunctional as adults, their priorities are FUBARed, whatever they think would have "fixed" their youth is just a higher dose of what fucked them up in the first place.
It's childhood retconning by immature people who don't actually care about actual children.

I'm not someone who sees a groomer behind every bush, however:

There's a lot of gay identity that is built on the idea of being sexually available to strangers, and if that sounds extreme, read the backlash against closing the bathhouses in the 1980s at the height of the AIDS crisis. I've had many gay male friends who were either fucking randos at 14 or who wish they had been fucking randos at 14. And a lot of their partners were over 18 at the time, i.e. adults.

It's retconning a youth where they were out partying and having sex with adult gay men, but more importantly, they are giving kids the opportunity to party and have sex with adults.

Someone's going to get diddled and there is going to be a lawsuit.
 
I feel like drag for kids kind of gets a pass for a lot of casual observers because, well, there’s multiple meanings of drag. Like, think the difference between Mrs Doubtfire and Divine. One is appropriate for kids, the other is not.
"Toddlers and Tiaras" was roasted because of the implication that it was sexualizing young girls. Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Makeup + dressy clothes + a stage = inviting preverts to lust after your daughters, and inviting your daughters to tart it up for grownass men.

Now it's the same concept with boys and that makes it woke?
 
"Toddlers and Tiaras" was roasted because of the implication that it was sexualizing young girls. Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Makeup + dressy clothes + a stage = inviting preverts to lust after your daughters, and inviting your daughters to tart it up for grownass men.

Pretty much. These are basically the same thing but from different segments of the culture. Beauty pageants for right wing or politically apathetic middle America, Desmond is Amazing for the coastal left of centre crowd. Both are deeply fucked IMO. What I feel like is helping the latter get away with it, aside from more support from the chattering classes, is that someone who doesn’t see poor Desmond miming snorting K or literally stripping at a gay bar will assume it‘s like a kid being cast as the opposite sex in a school play, or a boy throwing on their mum’s oversized dress because it’s funny.
 
I feel like drag for kids kind of gets a pass for a lot of casual observers because, well, there’s multiple meanings of drag. Like, think the difference between Mrs Doubtfire and Divine. One is appropriate for kids, the other is not.
Pretty much - kids love playing dress up and find men dressing up as women funny and people tend to conflate that into drag. But most real drag shows are raunchy, sexually explicit and not really suitable for young kids - even RuPaul's Drag Race can go in that direction and that's an insanely sanitized version of the real deal.

But crazy left-wing id-pol have also conflated setting boundaries as being a conservative right-wing Christian, so...
 
One of the five boys featured (they "identify" as various things) watched Ru Paul with his mother, then requested a drag party for his 13th birthday, then was taken to a drag show afterwards, as was Jazz for his birthday; can't remember which one.

Guess there's no age limit? The parents are nuts.
 
The most recent seasons have had such a strange, tragic aura. Jazz was meant to be the ultimate victory of trans ideology and medical power. He was meant to grow up into essentially, a beautiful women, functionally identical to any other natal female. Yeah, he’d be sterile, but so are a lot of real women, and it’s hardly an issue when you can rent some Ukrainian woman’s womb. Instead, he’s become a walking embarrassment for his family and orbiters, a symbol of how little we can actually change nature, and the hubris of messing with a child‘s development for aesthetic reasons. TLC obviously doesn’t care: a freak show’s a freak show. But for Jeanette, Jazz has failed at his life’s purpose. He’s like Lorenzo’s oil had made Lorenzo explode. And Lorenzo’s only problem had been Morgellons
Late on this one probably, but have a well meaning but misinformed boomer relative that’s watched I Am Jazz since season 1 and thought she was exactly this.

Boomer relative told me a week or two ago that they don’t watch I Am Jazz anymore because he doesn’t seem happy and it’s depressing. They also came to the conclusion on their own that Jazz hates his body more than ever now.

Jazz is getting across a message, but increasingly I don’t think it’s the one he wants.
 
Jazz’s fondness for drag is interesting. Specifically, the fact he moonlights (or used to, anyway) as a drag queen. Which is usually by definition a man pretending to be a caricature of a woman. You’d think the cognitive dissonance or dysphoria would make that pretty unpleasant a role to play. Of course, I suspect Jazz’s dysphoria was the result of his parents and ”doctors” basically telling him he was born deformed and treating his entire childhood and adolescence as a prologue to the Surgery. If anything, I suspect it’s a simple and arguably healthier manifestation of Jazz’s actual desires: namely, to dress ridiculous and be a bit silly.
 
Oh yes, I remember the "dating in the dark" episode now. The guy Jazz exchanged numbers with seemed to be pretty chill with Jazz being tranny, at least on camera, but he was never mentioned again in future episodes, so I guess he pretended to be into Jazz for woke cred and slithered away in disgust when the cameras were no longer on?

Before the whole Victoria brouhaha Jazz' fantasies of his future (infantile though they were) all seemed to include a hypothetical "husband". He mentions this fantasy in the "using Ari's womb" scene. He explicitly said "we'll throw my hubby's sperm up there" without realizing how horrifying it sounded that he wanted to use his sister as an incubator. Whether this meant that he was genuinely into guys and felt drawn to them or simply parroted what he thought he was supposed to want is anyone's guess.
He just wanted to be on TV. When I watched that episode Jazz did not seem aware that it was set up and was genuinely excited.
 
Sander needs to go on "Why Won't You Date Me?" with Nicole Byer. Maybe sassy black woman will help him solve the mystery.
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Anyone have an idea of what Sander's powerlifting maxes even are?

He posts many shirtless pics but few TikToks of PRs or any kind of progress.

He's not DYEL but he doesn't seem to understand how unimpressive he is. He has potential but to get to that level where people start to give a shit, he'd have to basically live at the gym for a year and a half and work with a trainer. And/or do a couple of cycles, which would of course destroy what's left of his hair.
 
He just wanted to be on TV. When I watched that episode Jazz did not seem aware that it was set up and was genuinely excited.
Yes, and that's not even the first or only time something similar has happened on the show. That's one of the things I find profoundly sad about I Am Jazz; the production team curates these totally made-up scenarios and interactions involving Jazz, and only Jazz believes they're genuine. It's not just "positive" interactions, either. Like remember the "hater" that showed up at the "trans girls car wash" fundraiser for Jazz' zero effort troon friend Lynn's top surgery? That dude was so obviously a plant, but Jazz mistook him for the real deal. You could tell that from his very visible loss of temper.
 
Specifically, the fact he moonlights (or used to, anyway) as a drag queen. Which is usually by definition a man pretending to be a caricature of a woman. You’d think the cognitive dissonance or dysphoria would make that pretty unpleasant a role to play.
I've brought this up before, but I'm sad we never got drag king Jazz. I can just imagine the little guy tromping around in a trucker hat with a painted-on beard, trying to sound like Larry the Cable Guy.
If transwomen were women dressing in drag for them would mean dressing as men. More proof that they don't even believe their own bullshit (and neither should you).
 
It's been taken down, but if anyone has a copy please let us know.

Hopefully you'll all be able to access it for free via Odyssey, in full resolution:

 
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That tweet is dumb as shit. All of those are very modern inventions, and I'm assuming they're using Lili Elbe as the first trans surgery, not adding the part where he died on the table after an experimental womb transplant.
I'm the same demo as Sander and wondering if any of those retweeters have ever read a fucking book? Christ, it's always the morons who love to lecture and hector us.
 
That tweet is dumb as shit. All of those are very modern inventions, and I'm assuming they're using Lili Elbe as the first trans surgery, not adding the part where he died on the table after an experimental womb transplant.
I'm the same demo as Sander and wondering if any of those retweeters have ever read a fucking book? Christ, it's always the morons who love to lecture and hector us.
He didn't technically die on the table; he died from blood-poisoning three weeks after the surgery. He was a strong motherfucker, I'll give him that.

EDIT: Apparently he lasted 3 months, not 3 weeks. Damn. I stand corrected.
 
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We’ll also probably leave out the part where Elbe’s doctors lied and mislead him about his condition and gave him impossible expectations. The fuckers told him they found ovaries inside him. Also, he wasn’t the first person to receive vaginoplasty, that was another patient whose name escapes me. It’s often stated online that he was murdered by the Nazis, but we honestly don’t know either way.
 
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