Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

[Ancient Pioneer]

So you're saying it might have somethings to do with the fertilizer shortages then?

Most farms in the country suffer from massive soil depletion even with the government paying them to not plant on certain fields. Well, to call it soil is over doing it, its dirt, there is barely any biological activity in the dirt because farmers have been planting the same crops over and over and just throwing NPK onto it.

Here is an easy visual chart for how heavily reliant the US is on fertilizer (the maps for phosphorus and potassium are just as bad.) Almost all of the prime farming lands in the country are heavily reliant on fertilizer because of bad farming practices. Not to mention phosphorus acquisition is quickly becoming an issue: Article. All of this is unsustainable practices and in the medieval period there was intense falloffs in population because of famine due to the soil being depleted, the reason there is such issues with land ownership in the UK largely derives from the 1400s-1600s period of "Enclosure" where farmers would tap out the soil and be forced to sell their lands to magnates who could handle the near term costs of a transition to letting fields go fallow for grazing animals.

I hate to go all Malthusian but it really looks like the world is heading into the trap at high speed because of globalism. Where there would have been a small regional collapse we now have massive global chain collapses. The Roman Empire collapsed many due to its trade networks collapsing, the Goths, and Germans, were just the most public and notable facet for historians to observe, the lingering effects of the Vandalic piracy in the Western Mediterranean absolutely buckled economic activity in Hispania, Gaul, and Italy, vastly reduced the amount of forces the state could pay for. While we don't have piracy as a going concern yet, we do have psychotic COVID policy shutting down major hubs of economic activity such as the two month long lockdown periods in China that just ended being just as destructive as ships being interdicted during transit in the Pacific Ocean.

There will be "A Great Reset" but it will have nothing to do with what the WEF wants or plans for. The stresses are already there and once inertia goes the other way it wont look pretty, I had expected the stock market to be entering recession mode by now but repeated copium from the Fed keeps the delusion running longer and longer. Almost every company this quarter has posted dogshit failures for earnings yet we see 1.5-2.5% rally in the markets, I've known the stock market has been largely disconnected from reality but nearly every single market analyst and citizen in the country is supremely pessimistic so I'm a tad bit interested as to what the hell is driving them upwards against all sentiment. Sure there isn't crimson every week of a downtrend but the market is proving a bit too resilient against the bearish trend on Wall Street and Main Street.

 

[LillWeeb]

Most farms in the country suffer from massive soil depletion even with the government paying them to not plant on certain fields. Well, to call it soil is over doing it, its dirt, there is barely any biological activity in the dirt because farmers have been planting the same crops over and over and just throwing NPK onto it.

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Here is an easy visual chart for how heavily reliant the US is on fertilizer (the maps for phosphorus and potassium are just as bad.) Almost all of the prime farming lands in the country are heavily reliant on fertilizer because of bad farming practices. Not to mention phosphorus acquisition is quickly becoming an issue: Article. All of this is unsustainable practices and in the medieval period there was intense falloffs in population because of famine due to the soil being depleted, the reason there is such issues with land ownership in the UK largely derives from the 1400s-1600s period of "Enclosure" where farmers would tap out the soil and be forced to sell their lands to magnates who could handle the near term costs of a transition to letting fields go fallow for grazing animals.

I hate to go all Malthusian but it really looks like the world is heading into the trap at high speed because of globalism. Where there would have been a small regional collapse we now have massive global chain collapses. The Roman Empire collapsed many due to its trade networks collapsing, the Goths, and Germans, were just the most public and notable facet for historians to observe, the lingering effects of the Vandalic piracy in the Western Mediterranean absolutely buckled economic activity in Hispania, Gaul, and Italy, vastly reduced the amount of forces the state could pay for. While we don't have piracy as a going concern yet, we do have psychotic COVID policy shutting down major hubs of economic activity such as the two month long lockdown periods in China that just ended being just as destructive as ships being interdicted during transit in the Pacific Ocean.

There will be "A Great Reset" but it will have nothing to do with what the WEF wants or plans for. The stresses are already there and once inertia goes the other way it wont look pretty, I had expected the stock market to be entering recession mode by now but repeated copium from the Fed keeps the delusion running longer and longer. Almost every company this quarter has posted dogshit failures for earnings yet we see 1.5-2.5% rally in the markets, I've known the stock market has been largely disconnected from reality but nearly every single market analyst and citizen in the country is supremely pessimistic so I'm a tad bit interested as to what the hell is driving them upwards against all sentiment. Sure there isn't crimson every week of a downtrend but the market is proving a bit too resilient against the bearish trend on Wall Street and Main Street.

Keep in mind one of the first indicators of collapse, is also a major decline in birthrates, which is rarely brought up when talking about the fall of Rome. The only reason the stock market is still raising is copium and the feds pumping money in it still , which I think they are still doing.

 

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Keep in mind one of the first indicators of collapse, is also a major decline in birthrates, which is rarely brought up when talking about the fall of Rome. The only reason the stock market is still raising is copium and the feds pumping money in it still , which I think they are still doing.

If the WSB guys are right, then the Fed might not even have to be doing that -- the WSB guys claimed to have uncovered a massive Stock Counterfeiting Scheme. That is to say, there was more GME stock shorted than GME stock that actually existed. I'm no market mathmawizard, but from what it sounded like the only way that could occur is if some of that stock wasn't real.

If that's the case, when Wall Street finally falls, and it absolutely will fall eventually, overnight the US Currency is going to become a tiny fraction of what it's currently worth. We'll wish we were just in a Depression at that point.

 

[Kane Lives]

If the WSB guys are right, then the Fed might not even have to be doing that -- the WSB guys claimed to have uncovered a massive Stock Counterfeiting Scheme. That is to say, there was more GME stock shorted than GME stock that actually existed. I'm no market mathmawizard, but from what it sounded like the only way that could occur is if some of that stock wasn't real.

If that's the case, when Wall Street finally falls, and it absolutely will fall eventually, overnight the US Currency is going to become a tiny fraction of what it's currently worth. We'll wish we were just in a Depression at that point.

If the USD does become as worthless as the paper it is printed on, then suddenly commodities become king.

Except uh, how much raw industrial and basic resource industry does the US still maintain?

 

[FatalTater]

Except uh, how much raw industrial and basic resource industry does the US still maintain?

The US has a lot of resources - oil, coal, wood, stone water, farmland... IF we're willing to use it.

 

[Kane Lives]

The US has a lot of resources - oil, coal, wood, stone water, farmland... IF we're willing to use it.

Aye, but not all readily accessible at this moment right? Oil needs to be drilled, wood needs to be cut (entire lumber camps need to be established), farmlands need to rehabilitated first, etc.

It's not all readily available, even if the will was there to use it, is what I meant to say.

 

[FatalTater]

Aye, but not all readily accessible at this moment right? Oil needs to be drilled, wood needs to be cut (entire lumber camps need to be established), farmlands need to rehabilitated first, etc.

It's not all readily available, even if the will was there to use it, is what I meant to say.

We have those processing tools. All we would need to do is send the finished things to our own businesses instead of sending it to another country and making our people buy from foreign suppliers.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

We have those processing tools. All we would need to do is send the finished things to our own businesses instead of sending it to another country and making our people buy from foreign suppliers.

Americans would need to be paid higher labor costs than those other countries, the prices would rise anyways, and Americans will still complain.

 

[Socrates]

I'm a tad bit interested as to what the hell is driving them upwards against all sentiment. Sure there isn't crimson every week of a downtrend but the market is proving a bit too resilient against the bearish trend on Wall Street and Main Street.

It's not actually all that interesting. There just literally isn't anywhere for the money to flee to lol. All of the markets are fucked right now.

 

[AcidityLiquidity]

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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2022/06/01/usda-forecast-predicts-highest-food-inflation-since-1980-get-ready-for-1-per-egg-n1602498

Anyone ready for $12 a carton for eggs?

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-price-outlook/summary-findings/

Speaking of $12 egg cartons. We have another mysterious fire at a food plant. What a weird cohencidence!

Tens Of Thousands Of Chickens Killed In Wright County Egg Farm Fire

“It was unbelievable how quick it grew, it was insane,” Andy Trebesch said. "It was the whole sky, it was quite large.”

minnesota.cbslocal.com

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Most farms in the country suffer from massive soil depletion even with the government paying them to not plant on certain fields. Well, to call it soil is over doing it, its dirt, there is barely any biological activity in the dirt because farmers have been planting the same crops over and over and just throwing NPK onto it.

View attachment 3348883

Here is an easy visual chart for how heavily reliant the US is on fertilizer (the maps for phosphorus and potassium are just as bad.) Almost all of the prime farming lands in the country are heavily reliant on fertilizer because of bad farming practices. Not to mention phosphorus acquisition is quickly becoming an issue: Article. All of this is unsustainable practices and in the medieval period there was intense falloffs in population because of famine due to the soil being depleted, the reason there is such issues with land ownership in the UK largely derives from the 1400s-1600s period of "Enclosure" where farmers would tap out the soil and be forced to sell their lands to magnates who could handle the near term costs of a transition to letting fields go fallow for grazing animals.

I hate to go all Malthusian but it really looks like the world is heading into the trap at high speed because of globalism. Where there would have been a small regional collapse we now have massive global chain collapses. The Roman Empire collapsed many due to its trade networks collapsing, the Goths, and Germans, were just the most public and notable facet for historians to observe, the lingering effects of the Vandalic piracy in the Western Mediterranean absolutely buckled economic activity in Hispania, Gaul, and Italy, vastly reduced the amount of forces the state could pay for. While we don't have piracy as a going concern yet, we do have psychotic COVID policy shutting down major hubs of economic activity such as the two month long lockdown periods in China that just ended being just as destructive as ships being interdicted during transit in the Pacific Ocean.

There will be "A Great Reset" but it will have nothing to do with what the WEF wants or plans for. The stresses are already there and once inertia goes the other way it wont look pretty, I had expected the stock market to be entering recession mode by now but repeated copium from the Fed keeps the delusion running longer and longer. Almost every company this quarter has posted dogshit failures for earnings yet we see 1.5-2.5% rally in the markets, I've known the stock market has been largely disconnected from reality but nearly every single market analyst and citizen in the country is supremely pessimistic so I'm a tad bit interested as to what the hell is driving them upwards against all sentiment. Sure there isn't crimson every week of a downtrend but the market is proving a bit too resilient against the bearish trend on Wall Street and Main Street.

I really don't understand it, we've advanced in science to the point we can predict the nutrients in the soil and the harvest... Only to ignore it completely and go into preventable famine by raping the soil.

 

[introvertedobserver]

Americans would need to be paid higher labor costs than those other countries, the prices would rise anyways, and Americans will still complain.

Americans now need to be paid higher labor costs than those other countries.

But after a complete economic meltdown, not so much.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

I refuse to eat spoiled food for the same reason I refuse to eat bugs.

It's not spoiled. Snacks and dry staples have a sell-by date that's way ahead of their spoil date. Still, I wouldn't get canned meat or veggies that are more than a couple of months out of date. I'd still pay full price for the fresh stuff because who knows how long it'll sit on my shelf if I have to start hoarding it?

Went to the grocery store today and spent 50 bucks for food that used to cost about 30 bucks 2 years ago. Meat is where most of the price hikes are. Chicken has doubled in price, and I'm not even in an urban bughive. There are plenty of farms around. I'll get by, but I can't imagine how stressed I would be if I had a family to feed. My sister who works in a grocery store says she already saw people trying to sneak hundreds of dollars of food out the door without paying. And this isn't in an urban bughive either. I get the feeling that this is just the tip of the iceberg, though.

 

[FatalTater]

I love when I stumble across a news story talking about how hurricane season is going to fuck up food prices because of damage to farms, but the season has barely started and they can't know if there's going to be much damage...right?

The news is starting to try to scare people about food shortages. Lots of stories about food pantries and grocery costs. (Not to mention that pandemic EBT is going away this month.)
Remember to check your kitchen to see if you have food before believing some news story telling you that you're actually starving to death.

Watch out for scum committing crimes because they got used to having lots of luxury food and now have to go back to beans and cornbread. (delicious fare imo) Also remember that a lot of those same losers would sell their EBT for money to buy other things, and rising prices might interfere with that.

Crime will rise. Prepare for that.

Plant zucchini if you have a sunny spot somewhere. Trust me.

 

[Functional Animal]

Speaking of $12 egg cartons. We have another mysterious fire at a food plant. What a weird cohencidence!

Tens Of Thousands Of Chickens Killed In Wright County Egg Farm Fire

“It was unbelievable how quick it grew, it was insane,” Andy Trebesch said. "It was the whole sky, it was quite large.”

minnesota.cbslocal.com

I saw something about this where once you break down the seeming large number of fires in food processing plants by the massive total number of plants in the country its pretty negligible.

I have a personal theory that the fires might be related to under staffed and over worked (due to people quiting low paid jobs) maintenance staff having to jury rig repairs (due to lack of parts) and these jury rigged repairs could cause failures that start fires.

 

[Nuthatch]

I love when I stumble across a news story talking about how hurricane season is going to fuck up food prices because of damage to farms, but the season has barely started and they can't know if there's going to be much damage...right?

The news is starting to try to scare people about food shortages. Lots of stories about food pantries and grocery costs. (Not to mention that pandemic EBT is going away this month.)
Remember to check your kitchen to see if you have food before believing some news story telling you that you're actually starving to death.

Watch out for scum committing crimes because they got used to having lots of luxury food and now have to go back to beans and cornbread. (delicious fare imo) Also remember that a lot of those same losers would sell their EBT for money to buy other things, and rising prices might interfere with that.

Crime will rise. Prepare for that.

Plant zucchini if you have a sunny spot somewhere. Trust me.

As for zucchini, the flowers are also edible and delicious fried. The Italian recipe is to stuff some mozzarella and anchovies in there.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Interesting thing to note in here from a personal story. So, my brother works as a caddy at a golf club over the summer to make money (he’s in high school), and apparently the job isn’t going so well. There seems to be more caddies than customers, to the point where his boss is emailing people to not come in. This is unheard of according to him. There seems to be no reason as to why this is occurring, especially on weekends when the numbers should be high.

I suggested the poor economy, but got told no by my family as rich people don’t struggle especially with gas. I personally feel this sentiment is wrong, with all the supply and workers shortages, plus rising prices, some of those “1%” probably are not in a place to be leisurely golfing in my area roughly an hour away from Chicago. I cannot say for sure though, so I thought I would ask here if it is a likely reason, or if it is some weird coincidence and people on vacation like theorized at the dinner table.

 

[Puff]

I really don't understand it, we've advanced in science to the point we can predict the nutrients in the soil and the harvest... Only to ignore it completely and go into preventable famine by raping the soil.

Try to get them to use pesticides correctly where it doesn't bother local wildlife. Fucking their soil hurts them, fucking the bees takes a while to come home to roost.
The short answer is independent farmers are independent. A subset are stupid in general, or stupid about long term planning, or are smart about most of the job but miss this one thing. It's breadth of skills job not a depth of skills job, so things get overlooked.

I saw something about this where once you break down the seeming large number of fires in food processing plants by the massive total number of plants in the country its pretty negligible.

I have a personal theory that the fires might be related to under staffed and over worked (due to people quiting low paid jobs) maintenance staff having to jury rig repairs (due to lack of parts) and these jury rigged repairs could cause failures that start fires.

Saw a kiwi point out that most of the insane number are homes registered for a small business. The large ones are burning at an alarming rate.

 

[Sickminds444]

Interesting thing to note in here from a personal story. So, my brother works as a caddy at a golf club over the summer to make money (he’s in high school), and apparently the job isn’t going so well. There seems to be more caddies than customers, to the point where his boss is emailing people to not come in. This is unheard of according to him. There seems to be no reason as to why this is occurring, especially on weekends when the numbers should be high.

I suggested the poor economy, but got told no by my family as rich people don’t struggle especially with gas. I personally feel this sentiment is wrong, with all the supply and workers shortages, plus rising prices, some of those “1%” probably are not in a place to be leisurely golfing in my area roughly an hour away from Chicago. I cannot say for sure though, so I thought I would ask here if it is a likely reason, or if it is some weird coincidence and people on vacation like theorized at the dinner table.

Prices of everything have gone up, that extra golf money now needs to be put on essentials.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Interesting thing to note in here from a personal story. So, my brother works as a caddy at a golf club over the summer to make money (he’s in high school), and apparently the job isn’t going so well. There seems to be more caddies than customers, to the point where his boss is emailing people to not come in. This is unheard of according to him. There seems to be no reason as to why this is occurring, especially on weekends when the numbers should be high.

I suggested the poor economy, but got told no by my family as rich people don’t struggle especially with gas. I personally feel this sentiment is wrong, with all the supply and workers shortages, plus rising prices, some of those “1%” probably are not in a place to be leisurely golfing in my area roughly an hour away from Chicago. I cannot say for sure though, so I thought I would ask here if it is a likely reason, or if it is some weird coincidence and people on vacation like theorized at the dinner table.

Most of the people who golf aren't even remotely the 1%. They'reeither "independently wealthy" types who live just barely inside their means and golf for the status, people who golf for the networking, or retirees on a fixed income, who golf because they have the time and need to be out of the house. Chances are, the few customers left are those 1%ers, or people who just haven't realised how much their costs have risen yet.